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mmkay posted:I think you misunderstood me/I asked the question poorly (or I'm misunderstanding your explanation, I only just woke up) - my question was: will Finland need to accept Sweden to NATO? This story by the biggest Finnish newspaper about the final steps of the accession procedure said this (translated with DeepL): "As Finland is likely to become a full member of NATO before Sweden, Finland will also have to ratify Sweden's membership as a member of NATO. Since both Parliament and the President have already approved Sweden's accession as part of Finland's accession, it is likely that the instrument of Sweden's approval will also be submitted to the US State Department immediately after Finland's own instrument of accession has been deposited."
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https://twitter.com/the_ins_ru/status/1642557572749172737 Explosion in St Petersburg in a restraunt owned by Prigozhin, near his his HQ, famous "war correspondent" and ex-bank robber Vladlen Tatarsky was killed there at his talk event
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Apr 2, 2023 17:09
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The collateral casualty count is going up so far, from 6 in Fatherboxx's tweet to 15 as per BBC's latest. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075 I wonder who would have reasons to do just completely  assassination of Tatarskiy like that? Big Z-blogger, sure, but he was hardly a superstar.
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Apr 2, 2023 17:40
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/the_ins_ru/status/1642557572749172737 Heads up on Twitter more videos going around that have bodies and blood. I made the mistake of watching a video Aric Toler re-tweeted. Here is the text: Video from the scene of St Petersburg explosion. It took place during an event featuring pro-Russian military blogger from Donbas Maksim Fomin (Vladlen Tatarsky). He is dead, according to Dva Mayora TG channel. Over a dozen people injured.
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Apr 2, 2023 17:41
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I don't really know anything about the pro-Russian bloggers, is this a Strelkov type figure who is critical of the Russian MOD or some hard-right guy? Analogous to the attack on Dugin?
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Apr 2, 2023 17:44
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Some reports are saying that the bomb was planted in a quite big soldier bust that was gifted to him, which is straight up something from a Hitman missionWarpedLichen posted:I don't really know anything about the pro-Russian bloggers, is this a Strelkov type figure who is critical of the Russian MOD or some hard-right guy? Analogous to the attack on Dugin? He was from the Prigozhin crew, so yes, of the ones that are allowed to criticize MOD. Dugina was also on the same payroll - so just the same I'd guess this is also a friendly fire operation. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Apr 2, 2023 |
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Apr 2, 2023 17:44
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WarpedLichen posted:I don't really know anything about the pro-Russian bloggers, is this a Strelkov type figure who is critical of the Russian MOD or some hard-right guy? Analogous to the attack on Dugin? Considerably less pseudo-intellectualism: https://mobile.twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1642562394298646531 (Also unlike the attack on Dugin this one is more likely to have hurt random bystanders, unless the cafe was closed to the public for the event).
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Apr 2, 2023 17:49
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The collateral casualty count is going up so far, from 6 in Fatherboxx's tweet to 15 as per BBC's latest. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075 Just like with Dugina, I suspect it's more about who they realistically could get. People like Solovyov or Simonyan are probably under constant surveillance and have security personnel attached to them when they attend events.
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Apr 2, 2023 17:51
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The collateral casualty count is going up so far, from 6 in Fatherboxx's tweet to 15 as per BBC's latest. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075 I find it interesting that it happened in St.Pete, Putin's home turf. Not that it matters per say, but the boss man will doubtlessly pay attention to this and I can see him using it as an excuse to crack down on dissidents. It could be a moment similar to the murder of Sergei Kirov in Leningrad, which led to Stalin's great purge. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Sergei_Kirov
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Apr 2, 2023 18:02
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The collateral casualty count is going up so far, from 6 in Fatherboxx's tweet to 15 as per BBC's latest. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075 Honestly if someone said FSB, I would not argue with them. He was one of the Girkinesque MoD criticizers.
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Apr 2, 2023 18:53
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Reading about the z-bloggers like him and just stuck wondering how much more clearly people can just make themselves look bad. Just like "hi im a cartoon villain, currently working dictator optics for an evil war, lmao im just awful"
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Apr 3, 2023 01:14
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Staluigi posted:Reading about the z-bloggers like him and just stuck wondering how much more clearly people can just make themselves look bad. Just like "hi im a cartoon villain, currently working dictator optics for an evil war, lmao im just awful" It's pretty easy, just ask most reporters for western mainstream press between 2003 and 2008.
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Apr 3, 2023 01:17
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United States Files Forfeiture Action Against Over One Million Rounds of Ammunition Enroute from Iran to Yemen Think there's a decent chance this stuff ends up in Ukraine?
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Apr 3, 2023 02:19
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adebisi lives posted:It's pretty easy, just ask most reporters for western mainstream press between 2003 and 2008.
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Apr 3, 2023 05:01
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Quixzlizx posted:United States Files Forfeiture Action Against Over One Million Rounds of Ammunition Enroute from Iran to Yemen Very good, yes. We've seen photo evidence of UAF using freshly produced Iranian munitions last year already, that didn't have a much more robust explanation available than something like this.
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Apr 3, 2023 06:10
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adebisi lives posted:It's pretty easy, just ask most reporters for western mainstream press between 2003 and 2008. I dont recall NYT reporters posing with skulls of people they claimed to kill in combat or shooting guns themselves in Iraq at all
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Apr 3, 2023 08:43
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Tatarsky was not a reporter/journalist. Maybe propagandist would be an apt term? He was sanctioned by Ukraine, I cannot seem to find exactly when, so he was definitely known to them. ISW believes his death is a warning to other pro Kremlin 'bloggers', as a lot of them seem rather aggressive and extreme in wanting to wage war against Ukraine and its people. Curious as to the legality of such a attack. Based on what is reported of him saying and posting (have not read anything directly from him), I would say he is a 100% legitimate target in time of war.
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Apr 3, 2023 09:29
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Dick Ripple posted:Tatarsky was not a reporter/journalist. Maybe propagandist would be an apt term? He was sanctioned by Ukraine, I cannot seem to find exactly when, so he was definitely known to them. ISW believes his death is a warning to other pro Kremlin 'bloggers', as a lot of them seem rather aggressive and extreme in wanting to wage war against Ukraine and its people. Pretty sure it's not legitimate to blow random by goers in a café, OP. Moreover, there are credible alternatives for the potential organizer of it.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:20
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https://twitter.com/prezydentpl/status/1642770534197755904 - Zelensky is going to visit Poland next week, supposedly to talk about export of Ukrainian grain among other things.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:21
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Pretty sure it's not legitimate to blow random by goers in a café, OP. Moreover, there are credible alternatives for the potential organizer of it. I would agree and hope that goes without saying, and I hope Ukrainian leadership knows that killing Russian civilians is not going to help their cause in the eyes of the West. I doubt the guy had any real security detail, so taking him out without harming others should not have been a problem, but someone obviously wanted to send a message.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:40
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It might be borderline Clancychat, but I think FSB would benefit more by death of pro-Wagner and anti-government military blogger than Ukrainian government.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:47
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Szarrukin posted:It might be borderline Clancychat, but I think FSB would benefit more by death of pro-Wagner and anti-government military blogger than Ukrainian government. I'm basically saying the same thing, that there are a bunch of local suitors that could make use of something like this happening.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:57
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Dick Ripple posted:I would agree and hope that goes without saying, and I hope Ukrainian leadership knows that killing Russian civilians is not going to help their cause in the eyes of the West. I doubt the guy had any real security detail, so taking him out without harming others should not have been a problem, but someone obviously wanted to send a message. I believe that if Ukrainian agents were capable of doing things like this in Moscow and St. Petersburg, they would have gone after more important targets.
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Apr 3, 2023 11:02
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There's a taped confession of the woman who brought the explosive on video already. It raises more questions than it answers though: https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1642829000723636224
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Apr 3, 2023 11:07
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https://twitter.com/DrRadchenko/status/1642768744974897158?t=FGIPGxD1IjeZFPSfF6KpUg&s=19 Some new insights into the Cuban Missile Crisis and Soviet decision making by two top-notch historians, based on recently declassified documents. They also draw numerous obvious comparisons to the present, which makes this pretty relevant for this thread.
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Apr 3, 2023 11:20
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Looks like Russia has continued grinding out progress in Bakhmut. Contested sure, but slowly taking ground, wonder if the 5:1 ratio the Ukranians have been claiming in that area has any solid backing https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1642852858709016576
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Apr 3, 2023 12:37
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Paracausal posted:Looks like Russia has continued grinding out progress in Bakhmut. Contested sure, but slowly taking ground, wonder if the 5:1 ratio the Ukranians have been claiming in that area has any solid backing https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1642854596715356161 The video is a “bit” weird. “Legally, we have conquered Bakhmut”.
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Apr 3, 2023 12:55
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Hannibal Rex posted:https://twitter.com/DrRadchenko/status/1642768744974897158?t=FGIPGxD1IjeZFPSfF6KpUg&s=19 https://www.foreignaffairs.com/cuba/missile-crisis-secret-history-soviet-union-russia-ukraine-lessons Non-Twitter link as it bugs me a bit where a link to Twitter in turn just goes to somewhere else.
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Apr 3, 2023 12:58
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Hannibal Rex posted:Some new insights into the Cuban Missile Crisis and Soviet decision making by two top-notch historians, based on recently declassified documents. They also draw numerous obvious comparisons to the present, which makes this pretty relevant for this thread. This was interesting, thank you! Also, thread title plz? quote:The most disturbing development of all, however, was a plea Castro had sent early in the morning of October 27, Havana time, in which he asked Khrushchev to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States if the Americans dared to invade Cuba. Historians have long been aware of this plea, but thanks to the new documents, we now know more about what Khrushchev thought of it. “What is it—a temporary madness or the absence of brains?” he fumed on October 30, according to a declassified dictation taken by his secretary.
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Apr 3, 2023 13:20
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a podcast for cats posted:There's a taped confession of the woman who brought the explosive on video already. It raises more questions than it answers though: I wouldn't call it a confession. The way she phrases it implies she didn't know the bust was going to explode. She says she was arrested for 'being at the place where Tatarskiy was assassinated'. E: Apparently her husband claims she was told the bust was supposed to be just bugged https://t.me/svtvnews/26411 quote:According to Dmitriy Rylov's version, the young woman was tricked into bringing a bust with explosived to Tatarskiy's event. She allegedly did not know that there was a bomb inside and admitted that the "gift" would simply enable her to "gain access" to the war correspondent. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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Apr 3, 2023 13:22
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The Artificial Kid posted:They were mostly doing that out of laziness rather than an ardent desire to ensure that America dominated and killed more people. "Look what the marines are doing" is a story the US military would hand them, with a built-in audience who won't Dixie-Chick you as long as you say nothing bad about America. But they could and did do stories that mattered when it got important and juicy enough. I agree. I think conflating Western media in that time period with e.g. Russian media today is just nonsense. For example, Abu Ghraib was a horror, and Western media rightly portrayed it as such. You don't see Russian milbloggers asking for accountability for Russian military units committing war crimes. (For the record, I'm still mad that not a single loving officer went to jail for Abu Ghraib. They pinned it all on a bunch of low-level NCOs. It was bullshit. That type of thing only happens when your command climate is broken. Guess who sets the command climate in US Army units? (hint: it's not the sergeants.)). Paracausal posted:Looks like Russia has continued grinding out progress in Bakhmut. Contested sure, but slowly taking ground, wonder if the 5:1 ratio the Ukranians have been claiming in that area has any solid backing I personally find it unlikely. Once you're into a city proper, an attacker should be able to secure roughly 1:1 odds in urban fighting. Then again, an attacker should be able to advance about 100m/day, and Russia has failed to do so, until perhaps the last few days. So maybe the odds do remain closer to 5:1 in Ukraine's favor than I would expect. Ynglaur fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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Apr 3, 2023 14:51
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SixFigureSandwich posted:https://www.foreignaffairs.com/cuba/missile-crisis-secret-history-soviet-union-russia-ukraine-lessons Fair enough. Radchenko is a worthwhile account to follow for those of us who still use twitter, that's why I linked him.
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Apr 3, 2023 15:08
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So the bomb was actually literally a bust he was receiving? That's wild. Ynglaur posted:I agree. I think conflating Western media in that time period with e.g. Russian media today is just nonsense. You say that but we all remember Bret Stephens NYT article "drinking from the skull of this Iraqi citizen I personally killed in a campaign of intending terror is the only reliable solution to import tax substitution woes"
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Apr 3, 2023 15:17
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Planting a flag in a supposedly conquered city in the dead of night with no lights on. Yeah.
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Apr 3, 2023 15:21
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https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-mar-31-apr-1 I think Wagner has claimed a progress around he city center on 3/31 in the day with a different video. I wonder how risky the Prigozhin photo op is though, feeling some pressure perhaps?
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Apr 3, 2023 15:43
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WarpedLichen posted:https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-mar-31-apr-1 There's a reason they did it at night.
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Apr 3, 2023 15:51
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A couple of feel-good stories I found on the Washington Post today:WaPo posted:After fleeing war, Ukrainians rush to help Mississippi tornado victims I live next door in St. Paul and will be looking for ways to volunteer with this group if possible. WaPo posted:Mark Hamill, as Luke Skywalker, voices air raid alerts in Ukraine [/quote]
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Apr 3, 2023 16:01
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So after a few rounds of rumors it seems like it's there's more solid confirmation that General Rastam Muradov was fired for failures in Vuhledar. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/03/top-russian-general-dismissed-after-vuhledar-defeat-a80690 Ukrainian airforce spokesmen speak of probing attacks with waves of 10-15 shaheds. It did seem to me that air raid alerts have been more common in Ukraine lately, so did the Iranians send a large shipment recently? https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1642937978623344650?cxt=HHwWlIC-veHY8cwtAAAA Noel theorizes that Ukrainian troops in Bakhmut have fallen back to the railway. https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1642810626991857670 Edit: some footage of Ukrainians training on anti drone technicals: pickups with antiaircraft guns seem like a good idea to me. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1642320193488576515?cxt=HHwWhoCzxffg2MotAAAA WarpedLichen fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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Apr 3, 2023 20:27
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I'm just deeply relieved for every meter they fall back without those fuckin roads cut
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Apr 3, 2023 22:16
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1642854596715356161 Could it be some quirk of translation or hyperbole? Like in English you might say "so-and-so is 'officially' canceled" even though that's not a real thing
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