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Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Volmarias posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU&t=110s

It's somehow less comforting than you might think.

i know it's the FORBIDDEN TOPIC but i think the worst thing about that video is that israel's IDF watched that video and immediately went "that sounds loving awesome" and Lavender is their first pitch for upping the ante on "automated firing algorithms" out of Human Resources and into war

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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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Staluigi posted:

i know it's the FORBIDDEN TOPIC but i think the worst thing about that video is that israel's IDF watched that video and immediately went "that sounds loving awesome" and Lavender is their first pitch for upping the ante on "automated firing algorithms" out of Human Resources and into war

I promise that no military needed or needs an incentive or imagination to do it, it's only a question on how squeamish their support base is about it.

E: and how large their budget is for it.

Volmarias fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Apr 5, 2024

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

There are reports that Ukraine hit the Morozovsk air base in Russia with a massive drone attack. That air base is home to a number of Su-34s. Ukraine says that 6 planes were destroyed and another 8 were damaged. I've seen a couple of reports that claim that none of the drones were shot down.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68740094

quote:

Ukrainian Drones Hit Russian Airbase, Six Aircraft Claimed Destroyed

Ukraine has carried out a drone attack against targets in southern Russia, and claims to have destroyed six Russian planes at an airbase in Rostov region.

Security sources told BBC Ukrainian eight more aircraft were badly damaged, and 20 service personnel could have been killed or injured.

The Morozovsk base houses Su-27 and Su-34 aircraft used on the front line in Ukraine, the sources said.

There has been no word from Russia on reports of an airfield attack.

The BBC has been unable to independently verify the reports.

However, Russian officials said that more than 40 drones had been aimed at the region, which borders Ukraine.

The defence ministry said Saratov, Kursk, Belgorod and Krasnodar regions had also been targeted. It said all the drones were shot down.

In Rostov's Morozovsk district, an electrical substation was hit, leaving about 600 people without power for a few hours, Rostov Governor Vasily Golubev said on his Telegram channel.

He added that there had been some damage to a 16-storey residential block.

In a later post, he said eight people had been injured by explosives detonating on one of the fallen drones during an investigation of the site "not far from the aerodrome".

Ukraine has stepped up drone attacks on targets within Russia recently, targeting military and energy facilities.

It has warned repeatedly that its army is facing severe ammunition shortages, but has set a target of producing a million drones domestically this year.

On Tuesday it claimed responsibility for a drone attack in Tatarstan, more than 1,300km (807 miles) from the Ukraine-Russia border.

The strikes, targeting a drone factory and an oil refinery, are the deepest into Russian territory since the start of the war. Twelve people were reported injured.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKJe3YbfR8w


https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1776022704241389870?s=20

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Apr 5, 2024

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Nervous posted:

There's a part of me that's happy that a pedophile was forced to go somewhere where he might get fpv droned.

Oh they are going to keep him around as a mouthpiece against biden's Nazi regime and a persecuted American dissident

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

Volmarias posted:

They were already signing up Russian prisoners in exchange for pardons, this isn't a huge step.

Except he's not getting any kind of pardon from anyone. So basically the worst of everything for this guy. He could have laid low somewhere in Russia or Belarus, but specifically chose to suicide by Ukraine. Best of luck to him!

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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Nitrox posted:

Except he's not getting any kind of pardon from anyone. So basically the worst of everything for this guy. He could have laid low somewhere in Russia or Belarus, but specifically chose to suicide by Ukraine. Best of luck to him!

I would imagine going to Russia or Belarus on a regular American passport would not allow you to lay low, especially if you were not smart enough to go someplace else without an extradition treaty in the first place.

Dick Ripple
May 19, 2021
Zooming down to ground level, I stumbled up this. https://www.youtube.com/@willyOAM/videos

A lot of one on one interviews with front line soldiers in Ukraine, mostly English speaking Legion guys. A lot of good first hand accounts with some interesting insights, but also fair share of the realities of war.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Not exactly related to the war, but it's interesting that I read today two different news from Russia. One was about an emergency in Russian Far East's Khabarovsk due to elevated radiation levels detected at a power pylon (I didn't know that nuclear power worked that way?). Then in Urals a dam has bursted, causing the evacuation of up to 10 000 people in the city of Orsk.

Things like these happen all the time everywhere, and a plenty even at better times in Russia, so I don't intend to draw hasty conclusions. Rather I'm just thinking aloud that the focus on Ukraine is going to reflect on Russian infrastructure at some point. The longer the war continues, the worse it will become as repair debt accumulates and fewer workers available for jobs that require all four limbs.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
There's two additional factors: first, Russian taxation is collected by the regions, sent to Moscow, and then distributed again to the regions based on the central government's preferences. This us why Moscow and St. Pete's get so much money.

Second, imports of needed tools and specialists to maintain infrastructure is much more expensive because of sanctions.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
saw that a machine gun was put on a heavy lifting drone and used in combat. it does not look accurate at all, but it's now a thing.

Duodecimal
Dec 28, 2012

Still stupid

LifeSunDeath posted:

saw that a machine gun was put on a heavy lifting drone and used in combat. it does not look accurate at all, but it's now a thing.

As propulsion?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

LifeSunDeath posted:

saw that a machine gun was put on a heavy lifting drone and used in combat. it does not look accurate at all, but it's now a thing.

Dahir Insaat was a prophet and we were fools to laugh at him

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Nenonen posted:

Things like these happen all the time everywhere, and a plenty even at better times in Russia, so I don't intend to draw hasty conclusions. Rather I'm just thinking aloud that the focus on Ukraine is going to reflect on Russian infrastructure at some point. The longer the war continues, the worse it will become as repair debt accumulates and fewer workers available for jobs that require all four limbs.

broad categories of national peril which really like to eat the poo poo out of infrastructure, commerce, and industry over time and makes subsequent decades suck rear end include

- a mobilized wartime economy

- autocratic institutional capture

- general corruption levels


russia is now red hot on the center of that fantastic venn diagram, double-fisted clawing at any of the national seedcorn to keep at it. and a lot of it isn't even really new, just .. intensified

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Nervous posted:

There's a part of me that's happy that a pedophile was forced to go somewhere where he might get fpv droned.

He will be used as cannon fodder most likely.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
EDIT: Wrong thread.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
The Russian official budget for this year is 1/3 military-adjacent spending, and the actual numbers might be even higher.

And no, the infrastructure was not getting regular improvements even in the best of times. You know how the repair sewage lines that have rusted through? The hammer in wooden shims to plug the leaks. The money gets stolen on every level. And nobody can do anything about it because thieves are in charge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

d64
Jan 15, 2003
Between the war casualties, the people who have escaped abroad, and the defense and extraction industries paying very inflated wages, the Russian economy is heading towards very tough times. Unfortunately it's probably too slow a process to help Ukraine much.

It will be interesting to see how the spring planting season goes, if they have the manpower and the diesel fuel to manage.

On another note, the difficulties Ukraine is having to getting around to drafting more men is very worrying. I think they would have done it already if they weren't thinking the measure was unpopular enough to potentially bring the country to a crisis.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

wrong thread

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1776654888925081964?t=SDW5Yn7NRQD4mpYPmkdJ9g&s=19

Today in Nazi discourse: the perils of selling out

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

drat nazis, they ruined nazis

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Brilliant

https://www.twz.com/land/bizarre-turtle-tank-appears-in-ukraine-with-shell-covering-it-nearly-completely

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Yeah that's a medieval battering ram. There's dudes walking and carrying a giant log under that triangle

Maybe it works though

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Congratulations, Russia, you reinvented the StuG.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Testudon't

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
Cope Shell

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.




"Cope-a-cabana"

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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The Chernobyl New Safe Confinement, But For A Tank

Zhanism
Apr 1, 2005
Death by Zhanism. So Judged.
How do you see?

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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Zhanism posted:

How do you see?

Seems like you mostly don't?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

I think the thought was it's for leading convoys (as seen in the video) with its minesweeper attachment thingy so it doesn't really need to be able to see except straight ahead or turn its turret. Not a good thought, but a thought none the less.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

It’s not a tank gun, it’s a spyglass

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
But hey, they got plenty of shade with that setup

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Everyone needs to double check that article, because it looks like the "turtle tank" is already dead, snuffed out in it's sleep when Ukraine geolocated it's home and called in a strike on the a tank hangar.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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Young Freud posted:

Everyone needs to double check that article, because it looks like the "turtle tank" is already dead, snuffed out in it's sleep when Ukraine geolocated it's home and called in a strike on the a tank hangar.

Good night, sweet tortoise tank, and columns of tankers swear "blyats" to thy rest

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Young Freud posted:

Everyone needs to double check that article, because it looks like the "turtle tank" is already dead, snuffed out in it's sleep when Ukraine geolocated it's home and called in a strike on the a tank hangar.

toy drone with grenade proof, but not anything else proof :lol:

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
Even if it were unique, publicising this one tank might allow Russia to use similar looking constructions as cost effective missile/HIMARS bait, since it's "drone proof" and difficult to see inside.

Dick Ripple
May 19, 2021
But it is not drone proof. We have seen FPV drones fly through windows, trenches, and anything else a person can to blow stuff up. It does seem like local Russian commanders/units are trying anything they can think of to at least mitigate the risk, but I doubt the turtle shell method will stick. I think it will come down to EW and who can effectively locate and then jam these drones cheaply and with ease.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
It might protect the most vulnerable parts, the front of a T-55 is still hard to penetrate compared to landing on engine deck or turret top. For the crew that might be enough to persuade them that it's safe to use. But they will need someone to guide them, that tank has a literal tunnel vision and can't reverse out of trouble on its own.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
Don't know if this is the first time, but there seem to be direct hits on at least one Zaporizhzhia containment, in addition to other close hits.

https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Grossi-condemns-drone-strikes-at-Zaporizhzhia-site

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Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Nenonen posted:

It might protect the most vulnerable parts, the front of a T-55 is still hard to penetrate compared to landing on engine deck or turret top. For the crew that might be enough to persuade them that it's safe to use. But they will need someone to guide them, that tank has a literal tunnel vision and can't reverse out of trouble on its own.

Eh, maybe they use their own drones to guide them. I don't think it will be much worse than the driver looking out of vision blocks even without the tent. Also, I guess they assume that the tank is spotted anyway so then the camouflage moves from trying to increase spotting time to trying to remove the preciseness of FPV drones (and direct fire, I guess). It is harder to exactly on the turret roof your device has to point accurately a few meters and you are not entirely sure where the turret is in the tent.

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