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skasion posted:The idea that the mice built the abbey was there from the start. IIRC the first couple paragraphs. So it was never like, a human size abbey that mice happen to live in. But in the early books the grand scale of it is stressed in a way that isn’t the case later. The abbey seems old and full of secrets, the roof is literally a foreign country (of birds). The evil castle in the second book that eventually gets paved over to build Redwall has the same vibe, it’s labyrinthine and gothic and might have a giant blind rat boss lurking in the dungeon. It kind of rules. Similarly the third book with its gigantic underground temple driven by pharaonic slave labor. Yeah the mice built a human-size catholic abbey, just like the badgers made an impregnable volcano puzzle fortress that has always had room for exactly one badger. What of it A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Apr 8, 2023 |
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Cicadalek posted:open world Redwall game with Dark Souls combat That game is called “tunic”, came out last year and is very good
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distortion park posted:lol would have been pretty grim if he hadn't thought that through properly I'm from the US, if I think pie, I'm thinking apple pie, cherry pie, etc
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rotinaj posted:That game is called “tunic”, came out last year and is very good Oh yeah, that's the one where you have to learn it's language https://store.steampowered.com/app/553420/TUNIC/
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I have played neither but these always looked Redwally to me: https://store.steampowered.com/app/417290/Ghost_of_a_Tale/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/286000/Tooth_and_Tail/
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Cthulu Carl posted:Just remembered one of the nerdiest conversations I had in high school was talking about weird books during a lull in calculus class and I mentioned the time a friend made me read one of the Redwall books and this one dude who I'd basically never talked to before was like "Holy poo poo, you were friends with Ian? He made me read some too!" God bless kids/adolescents who force all their friends to consume their obsessive interests, the most vital pollinators in the nerd ecosystem
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Thinkin' about Redwall dredges up some very fond memories  Also dredges up memories of the last time I saw a Redwall thread on SA, which gave us one of my all time favorite posts: Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:oim a mole, and me and moi friends will run a train on you in t'woods, burr aye
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Mr. Baps posted:Thinkin' about Redwall dredges up some very fond memories ho burr aye
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aniviron posted:I have played neither but these always looked Redwally to me: Tooth and Tail owns
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Not too happy with Russia in general atm but they had some extremely good redwall covers   
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The red wall covers have nothing to do with the current conflict (afaik) so you don't need to excuse liking them. Now, if you were saying something like 'i don't like Russia right now, but Putin would look majestic as a badger' or something, the disclaimer would be logical lol
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Hand Knit posted:when i was in high school there was this kid who was i guess you'd say troubled and he was obsessed with the redwall books. he'd insist he was a squirrel, take off his shoes and jump across the desks, or run outside and start trying to climb the trees. That dude grew up to be a phenomenal human being if he didn’t end up dead or in prison.
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Outcast of Redwall was the first one I got and I remember picking it up because there was a picture of a badger warrior with a falcon on his arm on the cover and that seemed badass Then the whole veil/vile situation upset me on such a level that it stuck with me for my entire life. They treated that kid like poo poo his entire life then all patted themselves on the back and called themselves heroes when he eventually lashed out at them
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CountryMatters posted:Outcast of Redwall was the first one I got and I remember picking it up because there was a picture of a badger warrior with a falcon on his arm on the cover and that seemed badass in the end he sacrifices his life for his like gf and shes like, no you all were right, idk why he sacrificed himself for me but he wasnt a good guy which was like  that book was my fave cuz of the badger tho. sunflash the mace iirc
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free hubcaps posted:Not too happy with Russia in general atm but they had some extremely good redwall covers goddamn werent kidding, these are all great
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baka fwocka fwame posted:in the end he sacrifices his life for his like gf and shes like, no you all were right, idk why he sacrificed himself for me but he wasnt a good guy which was like Outcast of Redwall posted:The calm kind eyes of Redwall's Abbess met those of the mousemaid. "So, Bella and I were wrong, there was some good in Veil, even though it cost him his life to show it. Can you accept my apologies, Byrony?" In all the time we knew him he never did a single act of kindness, apart from the part where he loved me as his mother and sacrificed his life to save me but like, that was probably a mistake or something who loving knows
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"i'm really nice and kind, but my surrogate son was a real shithead who i hated", fawned the mouse the abbess paused. "wicked sick, my child. you are wiser now that you have learned to - correctly - hate the stoat you raised"
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I liked, the most: Salamandastron Redwall Mossflower I also liked Marlfox, but mostly I just really liked this series when I was younger. I'll probably re-read them sometime as an adult and I sure hope I don't get caught up on the whole "all X are Y" part.
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jokes posted:I liked, the most: My little brother was absolutely nuts for this series. I was just about too old by the time he discovered the books, but I read several and enjoyed them, and I think I remember liking those ones you listed. I guess I'm curious if they'd stand up to a re-read or if they're way more kid-lit than I remember.
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Man, I loved these books growing up, even if they got really same-y after a bit. Still, I tried to start "The Long Patrol" over Quarantine as I find a good copy at a local book store. I did not make it far when the characters captured two Rats (I think) and were openly discussing just killing their captives. Some Rabbit, "We really should just slit their throats." And doing it within ear shot of their captives so Jacques could describe their depressed cries at hearing this argument taking place. I knew they could get a bit violent, but I did not remember how bloody-minded they could get. It sucks to hear about the Outcast storyline though. What a strange theme to present in a essentially a young-adult series.
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Crazy Ferret posted:Man, I loved these books growing up, even if they got really same-y after a bit. Still, I tried to start "The Long Patrol" over Quarantine as I find a good copy at a local book store. I did not make it far when the characters captured two Rats (I think) and were openly discussing just killing their captives. lol the long patrol. wasnt that all a joke for the benefit of the prisoners. they were all psychopaths tho that book had a gnarly front excerpt and i remember the mc was called tammo
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jokes posted:If I recall correctly they were going to let the prisoners go and were just loving with them. baka fwocka fwame posted:lol the long patrol. wasnt that all a joke for the benefit of the prisoners. they were all psychopaths tho Ha, I'm willing to give it another chance then in due time. This thread has got me thinking about re-reading the original once I finish my current stack of books. And yeah, the cover for The Long Patrol is dope. Most of the book covers were fantastic, especially those Russian(?) ones posted earlier.  Like hell ya, I want to be wandering rabbit mercenary in some bizarro fantasy. That sounds neat.
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baka fwocka fwame posted:technically theyre hares I said what I said
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Famethrowa posted:the long patrol was loving cool. SAS bunnies kicking rear end all over the forest This reminds me to recommend "Watership Down" to people have not read it. Incredible book with a lot of neat ideas and subtext going on. I bring it up since the writer based the character, Bigwig, and a few of the other warrior rabbits on British Commandos he knew in WW2.
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Crazy Ferret posted:Man, I loved these books growing up, even if they got really same-y after a bit. Still, I tried to start "The Long Patrol" over Quarantine as I find a good copy at a local book store. I did not make it far when the characters captured two Rats (I think) and were openly discussing just killing their captives. Username checks out! All these books are about tribal warfare and pretty grim. But whenever the military shows up it gets positively kill ‘em all, I say, what what. That said, Jacques good guys never actually kill prisoners or those who can’t fight back and I’m sure this scene is just Imo Salamandastron takes the racism cake from Outcast. At least the Outcast has some pathos and dies doing something unequivocally selfless (even if Bryony’s ungrateful rear end just wants to bury him and move on). Salamandastron starts up with this super uncomfortable scene where the badger kid brings home a couple of vermin buddies and her dad stands up and just publicly reviles them and their entire race over dinner. And he turns out to be unironically right too, these guys truly have no redeeming qualities
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Crazy Ferret posted:This reminds me to recommend "Watership Down" to people have not read it. Incredible book with a lot of neat ideas and subtext going on. I bring it up since the writer based the character, Bigwig, and a few of the other warrior rabbits on British Commandos he knew in WW2. Seconding this. It's a different kettle of fish to Redwall but it's terrific.
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skasion posted:Imo Salamandastron takes the racism cake from Outcast. At least the Outcast has some pathos and dies doing something unequivocally selfless (even if Bryony’s ungrateful rear end just wants to bury him and move on). Salamandastron starts up with this super uncomfortable scene where the badger kid brings home a couple of vermin buddies and her dad stands up and just publicly reviles them and their entire race over dinner. And he turns out to be unironically right too, these guys truly have no redeeming qualities aniviron posted:Seconding this. It's a different kettle of fish to Redwall but it's terrific.
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Crazy Ferret posted:This reminds me to recommend "Watership Down" to people have not read it. Incredible book with a lot of neat ideas and subtext going on. I bring it up since the writer based the character, Bigwig, and a few of the other warrior rabbits on British Commandos he knew in WW2. watership down kicks rear end. that book is one huge trip efb
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The badgers are always completely, truly correct because they can go out on their own and solo an entire vermin horde. The long patrol is just there for, idk, policing. That is noblesse oblige writ large.
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Drakyn posted:Guess Who's Not Leaving Dinner Alive Because He's A Stoat by Brian Jacques. lol
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Drakyn posted:Guess Who's Not Leaving Dinner Alive Because He's A Stoat by Brian Jacques. Not only that, but the main, evil antagonists in the book are fellow rabbits as opposed to any of the predators (or even humans) who appear. Richard Adam's is a significantly better writer than Jacques too, as much as I loved these books growing up
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:I wish the evil species weren't predestined to be evil Even like ten year old me was rubbed the wrong way by this. There was a fox? I think that I was rooting for but they eventually, for no logical reason reverted to their fox nature and went evil. Like even the fox parents didn't give a poo poo about their children which makes no sense from a basic evolutionary standpoint.
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