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BiggerBoat posted:A lot of "straight" guys like(d) to view trans porn, and perhaps that created an avenue towards, if not acceptance, at least recognizing that it loving exists. This is just a tangential FYI, but you don't need quotes around "straight" here. The vast majority of men who are into transwomen are plain ol' heterosexual guys. Gay men don't tend to be interested in transwomen (because, well, they're women). Edit: VVVV Oh, certainly. It's just that an interest in transwomen on its own doesn't make a man bisexual; or at best, it just barely moves the needle. SidneyIsTheKiller fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 10, 2023 |
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:This is just a tangential FYI, but you don't need quotes around "straight" here. The vast majority of men who are into transwomen are plain ol' heterosexual guys. Gay men don't tend to be interested in transwomen (because, well, they're women).
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I guess to explain it further, a man's interest in transwomen tends to be (a) simpy finding certain individuals attractive and being able/willing to look past the biology of it all, (b) a fetish based around a woman having an atypical body akin to, say, having extra fingers or an outgrowing tumor or some such, or (c) genuine bisexuals who find someone with both feminine and masculine features attractive for their own sake. Of these, only (c) could really be considered non-heterosexual, though tying it back to the thread topic I suppose it's possible they makeup more of the porn-viewing audience than (a) or (b).
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Romance writer here. Sex work is work. Friends with some sex workers. Even those who have had negative experiences with it all agree that it should be Decriminalized. Porn is tricky only in terms of how it can rewire our dopamine responses, and exposure to young people as their form of sex education. Like so many things, instead of thinking about balance, it oftentimes comes down to “this is good.” Or, “this thing is bad” Compared to say Facebook/tinder, I don’t think porn as a whole has had nearly the same negative impact, on our culture, but it can depend on the person and what their views on sex are in general and how much therapy they’ve had. Also it depends on your relationship with your partner. I’ve had partners who want to watch it together, and others who don’t like it at all but have no problem with me watching it. I would not date someone who considers me wanting to watch the occasion adult video as “cheating” since that person has a limited perspective and is not somebody I would consider a serious partner potential.
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I think they meant twitter but its definitely funnier to take an exception solely to that dating app so I'm going to allow it.
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Less than 27% of parents use the parental controls to keep kids from accessing porn Parents are getting better about controlling screen time in general and keeping kids from being zombies who are just on their phones 24/7 (they're less good about staying off phones themselves, but that's another thread) but it looks like they either don't know how or can't be bothered to actually lock down their child's devices to block porn. Every porn site is registered with RTA, the porn industry itself has ASACP to work together to stop CSAM and make sure everyone on their sites is able to click the "Are you 18?" button, but other than that, what is the industry supposed to do? Obviously being exposed to porn too young is bad, especially porn with specific fetishes like CNC and just generally the very sex-negative way porn is presented in a lot of mainstream films, but what can we do as a society?
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Shrecknet posted:Less than 27% of parents use the parental controls to keep kids from accessing porn Modern sex ed needs to address porn in any substantive way
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Name Change posted:Modern sex ed needs to address porn in any substantive way But if you tell kids about porn in any context you're clearly grooming them, just as surely as if you're gay or trans within 100 feet of a child.  
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Name Change posted:Modern sex ed needs to address porn in any substantive way More than that, I think it needs to address the questions that are currently being incorrectly answered by porn. Sex is cool and fun, and teenagers want to know how to do it. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. These days, if you want to learn how to do anything, you look it up on YouTube and watch a video on it, and people are applying the same logic to porn because there's not really much in the way of "here's how to pleasure others and yourself!" instructional material in comparison to the deluge of porn. This week we lost Sue Johanson, who was a great resource for such things. The reason she's so well-known is because there was a demand for the information she provided, and she did it in a factual, honest way, including discussions about consent, safety, people with disabilities, etc. Let's be honest, a lot of teenagers looking at porn are mainly horny and curious, they aren't necessarily in it for the hardcore action. There are better ways to satisfy that.
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PT6A posted:More than that, I think it needs to address the questions that are currently being incorrectly answered by porn.  I want to draw attention to that last line: "have fun, respect each other, practice safer sex" because that's like, the platonic ideal of healthy adult sexuality and it's super hosed up that porn can tell my kid that but not a health instructor at school.
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Virginia bill SB1515 went into effect July 1st which requires websites to verify the age of users before they can access pornographic websites. A summary of the bill is here https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/SB1515/2023 and it has a link to the actual bill text which is just about a page long. quote:Civil liability for publishing or distributing material harmful to minors on the Internet. Creates a civil cause of action for any commercial entity that knowingly or intentionally publishes or distributes on the Internet material harmful to minors, as defined in the bill, and that does not take reasonable steps to verify that the age of a person attempting to access such material harmful to minors is 18 years of age or older. The bill also clarifies the definition of "sexual conduct" so that it is neutral regarding sexual orientation for the purpose of crimes related to prohibited sales and loans to juveniles. Civil liability for publishing or distributing material harmful to minors on the Internet. Creates a civil cause of action for any commercial entity that knowingly or intentionally publishes or distributes on the Internet material harmful to minors, as defined in the bill, and that does not take reasonable steps to verify that the age of a person attempting to access such material harmful to minors is 18 years of age or older. The bill also clarifies the definition of "sexual conduct" so that it is neutral regarding sexual orientation for the purpose of crimes related to prohibited sales and loans to juveniles. The bill was bipartisan with nearly every member of Virginia's congress voting for it. They didn't have any plan for age verification, so the results really depend on the website. Pornhub completely shut down access in Virginia while some websites are using a third-party vendor that will verify your ID, take a picture and use that, or use a QR code. Most websites are not changing at all though. If I search "porn" on google and click on any tube site besides Pornhub they are functioning normally. I'm wondering what people think of the internet requiring identification to use and to log into. Porn seems to be a bipartisan thing where politicians don't think the internet should be anonymous.
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I figured politicians would just be counting on the tech companies to have a worksafe blocker (like Google's SafeSearch) on by default and not count on kids being very good on learning how to get around them. Whatever happened to stuff like Adultcheck? I'm sure there are still blockers you can get, but are they particularly good?
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This law is supposed to require age verification for porn websites that is done by the website itself or a third-party contractor. It's not set up to prevent google from providing search results, but I turned my safe search on, and it still works normally. The blockers might still work, but I kind of doubt it because of how ubiquitous porn is on the internet. It seems like politicians are no longer satisfied relying on tech companies to block pornographic material by themselves.
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We have a similar law in Louisiana. It works exactly as well as you think it does at keeping the teens away from internet porn
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Anyone got a coherent summary of the process that forced banks and credit car companies to refuse service to adult entertainment? I understand it's 50% moral outrage \ fear of consumer backlash and 50% political pressure that started in the 90s?
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It’s also the fear of chargebacks I think. Once people bust a nut, suddenly the spending that seemed so urgent starts to seem unwise.
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Xander77 posted:Anyone got a coherent summary of the process that forced banks and credit car companies to refuse service to adult entertainment? I understand it's 50% moral outrage \ fear of consumer backlash and 50% political pressure that started in the 90s? You're missing a major factor that's often left out of these conversations: the adult entertainment sector has a notoriously high rate of chargebacks and fraud, which makes it relatively expensive and annoying for financial services companies to deal with. That means payment processors are generally disinclined to deal with them even before you add in the reputational, political, and legal risks.
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Main Paineframe posted:You're missing a major factor that's often left out of these conversations: the adult entertainment sector has a notoriously high rate of chargebacks and fraud, which makes it relatively expensive and annoying for financial services companies to deal with. That means payment processors are generally disinclined to deal with them even before you add in the reputational, political, and legal risks.
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Elukka posted:But they seem to have been fine with doing it anyway until there was that major thing with that Christian group. In terms of sex work legalization vs decriminalization, are there any jurisdictions that treat it like any lightly-regulated profession? Like you need a business license, insurance, course on safety, whatever, but don't have to be part of some brothel that needs a special license to operate in the area and can't advertise.
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Not sure, but while legitimization can be better or worse depending on how it's done, on a fundamental level decriminalization is the best option. Both for society, and the people involved. Perhaps there is a day in which we trust institutions enough to regulate things like this, but it is not this day.
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Xander77 posted:Anyone got a coherent summary of the process that forced banks and credit car companies to refuse service to adult entertainment? I understand it's 50% moral outrage \ fear of consumer backlash and 50% political pressure that started in the 90s? Watch the documentary Money Shot. They go into detail about how Pornhub was hosting non-consensual content and refusing to do anything about it until a media campaign and banks/credit cards started pulling out, no pun intended. It also discusses how people went too far and started going after sex workers too. I haven't heard the chargeback angle before. Ironically crypto can handle that issue quite well. ------- In regards to sex education: I can understand why some parents are averse to the idea of strangers talking to their kids about sex. Does anyone know of any schools that try to involve parents in the discussion? Like maybe, "hey, here's a pamphlet on topics to discuss with your kid, it's up to you if you actually talk about it or not". You can say gently caress the fundies but in democratically organized societies you have to compromise with the fact that what parents think on these topics may not align with what is your ideal. I had a discussion with my dad about this because he's a big fan of DeSantis and the farthest I got was saying "well why do you need to worry about public schools if God will bring his chosen people to him anyway?" But I don't think I actually convinced him. E: there might be too much focus on making sure kids get raised right by schools and not enough focus that parents raise their kids correctly in the first place. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jul 9, 2023 |
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Trapick posted:In terms of sex work legalization vs decriminalization, are there any jurisdictions that treat it like any lightly-regulated profession? Like you need a business license, insurance, course on safety, whatever, but don't have to be part of some brothel that needs a special license to operate in the area and can't advertise. Wear your PPE!
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America Inc. posted:Watch the documentary Money Shot. They go into detail about how Pornhub was hosting non-consensual content and refusing to do anything about it until a media campaign and banks/credit cards started pulling out, no pun intended.
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America Inc. posted:Like maybe, "hey, here's a pamphlet on topics to discuss with your kid, it's up to you if you actually talk about it or not". You can say gently caress the fundies but in democratically organized societies you have to compromise with the fact that what parents think on these topics may not align with what is your ideal. Do you really see this going any way other than 100% of the people who object to public school sex ed chucking that pamphlet in the trash immediately? Or is that ok? What is the goal here?
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Irony.or.Death posted:Do you really see this going any way other than 100% of the people who object to public school sex ed chucking that pamphlet in the trash immediately? Or is that ok? What is the goal here? My proposal would be: these are the things we're going to talk about, you can either have the sex talk with your kids from your point of view first, or don't, but they're going to hear accurate, fact-based material about sexuality and sexual health, and there's just no way around that. You could even say "it's up to you to teach your kids your version of the morality of sex, we're here to talk about how it works in a very utilitarian fashion, and it will likely include things you wish didn't exist if you're a stupid prudish gently caress, but: tough poo poo, deal with it!" I wish parents wouldn't tell their kids things like "being gay is a sin" but ultimately it can't be prevented. What you can say from a sex ed perspective, for example, is "some people are sexually attracted to people of the same gender, there are varying opinions about the morality of such relationships, but it is a normal thing for many people to feel, and if you are one of those people, here's how to have safer sex. You need to make your own choice about what is moral and immoral."
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PT6A posted:My proposal would be: these are the things we're going to talk about, you can either have the sex talk with your kids from your point of view first, or don't, but they're going to hear accurate, fact-based material about sexuality and sexual health, and there's just no way around that. Worked well for masking and teaching kids public health protocols.
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America Inc. posted:
Why not have a discussion about whether or not we should teach intelligent design? Gravity? The earth being round?
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Sex ed practices and curricula likely vary massively by district, even within district; it might be informative if someone could identify a survey or comparative or best practices resource on the subject. I may have time this weekend if no one else does so in the interim.
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America Inc. posted:In regards to sex education: I can understand why some parents are averse to the idea of strangers talking to their kids about sex. Does anyone know of any schools that try to involve parents in the discussion? This continues to bother me, so I'm going to call it out. Teachers are not strangers, and if the parents don't bother to go to school to meet them, that's on them.
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Discendo Vox posted:Sex ed practices and curricula likely vary massively by district, even within district; it might be informative if someone could identify a survey or comparative or best practices resource on the subject. I may have time this weekend if no one else does so in the interim. That turns out to be a more interesting project than I expected, and probably one I don't have time to do justice to right now. Cursory inspection says that most of what's been published recently is along the lines of implementation research for a specific program or framework (e.g., https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X17304652). I'm having much more trouble finding broad comparative work that's still granular enough to account for differences between districts, but that might just be because it's so far outside my usual circles and I don't know the right names to look for.
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Xander77 posted:gently caress, missed this. my school we indeed had sex ed taught entirely by a southern evangelical pastor whose main thing was the only thing to go inside you should be Christ, and did in fact have to have the bio teacher go "some people believe that evolution is Satan's lies, those beliefs are valid, maybe earth is four thousand years old, but anyways here's some science" and that was into the Obama years anyone want to guess the rates of teen pregnancy, stds, and flat out teen on teen rape and abuse hit our generation? you already know the answer. everyone knows the answer. I don't know the right answer for sex ed in schools or a realistic, healthy way to tell kids about porn, but I praise loud klan Jesus man for teaching me the exact wrong answer
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It cratered https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/
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PT6A posted:You could even say "it's up to you to teach your kids your version of the morality of sex, we're here to talk about how it works in a very utilitarian fashion, and it will likely include things you wish didn't exist if you're a stupid prudish gently caress, but: tough poo poo, deal with it!" I agree, the question just becomes how do you convince fundies to be ok with this arrangement. I would think one compelling argument would be that even if abstinence doesn't work - if your kids decide to be evil and have sex - then the harm will be minimized when they don't have kids or get STDs. But these fundies really focus on the idea of punishment and punishing people for having sex. There's a line that runs between this idea of being "hard on sin" and "hard on crime". There has to be some religious argument for harm reduction of sin.
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So here's a thing I've never seen meaningful discussion about - what would a reasonable option be for controlling what underage users view? It seems to me like full prohibition is a non-starter - I doubt anyone on this site waited until they were 18 to look up porn - but there are some really gross outcomes for full opening the floodgates, especially for stuff like camshows or whatnot where every teen that sneaks past the filter is essentially a participant in a group sex act. If I was camming I would feel extremely gross knowing that had happened, so there are definitely SOME situations where we definitely want hard barriers, but at the same time there has never been a way to keep teens from porn, and even if the mainstream, US-based sites had a foolproof system it would just funnel people into the shady Russian ones or whatever, which probably have a higher likelihood of being unsafe for virus/data stealing reasons and featuring trafficked performers. Is there, like, some sort of "porno learner's permit" that should exist somehow? Like, what is the middle ground between total prohibition and Wild West unregulated? It feels especially egregious when you consider that there are a bunch of technicalities around the age of consent that make it so someone can be covered by "Romeo and Juliet" laws if they want to have actual sex, but aren't able to look at erotic content in any other venue - not to mention how many people are victimized in part because they don't recognize that something is inappropriate
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This existed, it was called "woods porn." I don't know that there's a digital equivalent.
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BougieBitch posted:So here's a thing I've never seen meaningful discussion about - what would a reasonable option be for controlling what underage users view? Not even getting into "Romeo and Juliet" laws, age of consent in 30+ states is 16.
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Charlz Guybon posted:It cratered He's from Texas, it would have been better for him to ask and then for us to look up the local rates are.
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Grape posted:He's from Texas, it would have been better for him to ask and then for us to look up the local rates are. I mean, seems you could easily read it as his immediate cohort, which is a countable number and not anecdotal data
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BougieBitch posted:I mean, seems you could easily read it as his immediate cohort, which is a countable number and not anecdotal data Well then that's why Guybon's post doesn't work, I guess what I'm saying/wondering is what are those statistics like specifically in the sorts of places that don't get actual sexed compared to places that do. That would help Edgar Allen Hoe's point.
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