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silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

did the allies get credit for fragging their own tank?


someone give that artillerymoron a medal

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brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

Thanks for showcasing this game, Grey. Ended up getting it myself.

It's overall a fun little game, but it also feels like a missed opportunity for a game set in WW1. The systems and mechanics combine in such a way that, to me at least, the most effective
way to play the game is to fight your battles in a hyper modern way, where accurate and instantly responsive heavy artillery destroys enemy positions, guided from a bird's eye view, and
small (or relatively small in-game) infantry detachments mop up the enemy remains. And, especially as the Germans, you can do this from turn one. All the new tools, gas, siege artillery, bombers etc. just seem to waste tons of supply compared to just directing 27 supplies' worth of heavy artillery at every trench section. Tanks seem to be an exception, and grossly overpowered.

This isn't helped by the AI building bad trench systems and only 30 units being allowed on the field, which usually leads battles to follow a certain formula: 1. Break-in at one of the control points 2. Slaughter AI reinforcements in the open 3. Mop up. It feels like the game would have the potential to represent the actual dilemmas involved in WW1 if you couldn't concentrate your corps so easily, there was more infantry on the field to allow for both proper defense in depth and actually overwhelming the enemy, and the artillery had more limitations wrt. their call-in time and accuracy. Oh well, it's still fun watching your overlapping fields of fire mow down Tommies by the bushel while adjusting your imaginary monocle and muttering Gott im Himmel.

AtomikKrab
Jul 17, 2010

Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.

I feel like if machine gun nests were cheaper and more plentiful it would make it a lot more stalematey

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Let's see if I can learn how to attack!

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
God drat, Tanks are just broken in this game. What's really gets me is there is no real counter. And as soon as a tank gets to your line RIP your first line of trenches at least, as well as any support weapons like mg nest or mortar nests.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
There's something funny about those awkward wwi tanks going around at 100 mph, while doing sick 180 no scope moves along the way

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

bunnyofdoom posted:

God drat, Tanks are just broken in this game. What's really gets me is there is no real counter. And as soon as a tank gets to your line RIP your first line of trenches at least, as well as any support weapons like mg nest or mortar nests.

Grenadiers melt tanks if they can get in range or the tank is careless.
Like, two seconds top.
E: but agreed they feel too powerful for the time period

E2: tanks are not the only units bringing WW2 and later tech capabilities to the fight, bombers can kill tanks in three bombs IIRC. Bomber AI is even semi-decent at prioritizing them

Omobono fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 11, 2023

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Part of the problem is that "realistic" WW1 tanks would be egregiously bad and unfun as a game mechanic, what with having tank crews passing out from heat stroke, engine breakdowns on every 200ft traveled, discovering that bullets striking thin steel plating creates spallation fragments, driving the wrong direction because of limited vision and everything is a featureless brown mess, etc.


On the other hand you have perfect realtime information instead of having to piece together contradictory scouting reports from X hours ago, and your units don't suffer communication errors and just randomly gently caress off to follow misinterpreted orders, planes don't spontaneously crash from mechanical failures, etc.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Tanks are so hard to get!

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


I'm so close to getting those tanks!

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

A little trick I noticed for MG/mortar nests is that while they need to be at the end of a trench. communications trenches count.

So if you make a single section communication trench in the middle of nowhere, not connected to your trench network, you can deploy MG/mortar at its ends.


Also holy poo poo mortars melt infantry.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Time to use the tanks!

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
For research, based off the thread, rush elite troops. Grenadiers murder tanks so you need that for your defensive battles

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

bunnyofdoom posted:

For research, based off the thread, rush elite troops. Grenadiers murder tanks so you need that for your defensive battles

A tank can simply reverse and machine gun them from outside their range, and you get like 2 squads per corps. They do force a slowdown though.
A parked tank is vulnerable to bombers, mortars and other tanks so screening grenadiers are a good support for other anti-tank defenses.


E: tonks
German tanks are medium?heavy? tanks with a front cannon and a lot of machine guns. They can cross all enemy manned trenches and the cannons/mg have restricted firing arcs.
The second next research grants the supporting antiair flakpanzer.

British tanks are half heavy tanks with a frontal cannon and three mgs, half medium with no cannon and 5 mgs. They can cross all enemy manned trenches.
The supporting tank is the light tank 'whippet'. 4 mg and can only cross lvl 1 trenches when manned by enemies.

French tonks suck but their cannon has 360 range so no blind spots. I don't remember if they count as light or medium.

No clue how USA tanks work, I usually eat the 5 morale penalty for mixed nationalities and just have the UK tanks everywhere.

Omobono fucked around with this message at 10:05 on May 17, 2023

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Let's see what some more upgrades can get me!

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


I get my first proper victory! and it feels good!

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.
Well done! One victory down, hundreds to go!

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Now, just weather their counter-attacks, and find somewhere else to push deep.

Seems like the tanks are crucial, moving down their in-battle counter attacks easily.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Does the game end if you each a certain date?

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

There's an achievement for reaching January 1919, so I assume there's no hard coded limit.

Tanks are far too good for the historical period, so it's no wonder they're key to winning battles.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


Things finally seem to be coming together!

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Was about to say, using the tanks on offense to neuter any enemy counter attacks seems to be the real smart play. It is breaking up the enemy well. Hoping you can do a breakthrough and maybe encircle the enemy line.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


I begin the last offensive of the war.

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.
Paris by Christmas!*

*2025

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Serpentis posted:

Paris by Christmas!*

*2025

Look, I never said how long it would take!

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I honestly wonder why socialists even bothered protesting the war, they could have just set a huge meat grinder in every possible city square and kept on quietly grinding meat all day long.
If people didn't 'get' that then they wouldn't be swayed by by anything anyone could say.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets


I slam into the allied lines as things finally start to go well!

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
So, now that the war is over, are you gonna try again, this time from the Entente side?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Looks like once you find a working strategy, there is never any reason to deviate from it?

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets



steinrokkan posted:

Looks like once you find a working strategy, there is never any reason to deviate from it?

Yeah, but I'm not sure how much of that is knowing what tech works - I can see going different ways down the tech list would alter your stratergy, but tanks seem to be needed to win - which I guess is kind of historically accurate!

bunnyofdoom posted:

So, now that the war is over, are you gonna try again, this time from the Entente side?

Maybe in a bit, I'd like to do another game of Rule the waves, or something else (Chaos Gate Demon Hunters could be fun, and I've not beaten that yet, Rimworld is another I've been meaning to go back to), but I would like to see what I could do with a better idea of what works.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
I think my takeaway of what works is Siege artillery, Tanks, layer defensive lines, light arty on attacks.

Planes are hit or miss

Intel is p. Useless

Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

Working hard, thank you!
I would love to participate in a classic goon Combat Mission LP if you feel up to it, Grey.

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By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Who do you think was 'dead guy in trench' #74799 ?

Better put up a better showing next time.

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