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wasn’t there a brief period in the highly online right where trads shifted from Catholicism (the drat pope is woke) to Greek and Russian orthodox? That’s when dreher did one of his conversions. since trad is 100% about aesthetics they had to bounce to another Christianity that’s got fabulous ornamentation. and for obvious reasons, all the middle eastern and African churches are right out.
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Apr 6, 2023 19:09
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may allah smite the socialists and communists
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Apr 6, 2023 19:16
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Best Friends posted:wasn’t there a brief period in the highly online right where trads shifted from Catholicism (the drat pope is woke) to Greek and Russian orthodox? That’s when dreher did one of his conversions. since trad is 100% about aesthetics they had to bounce to another Christianity that’s got fabulous ornamentation. and for obvious reasons, all the middle eastern and African churches are right out. Yeah, it was briefly a thing until most of those dipshits found out that there's a surprising variance in local communities and the trad dipshit who found a local Orthodox community full of white nationalist converts isn't accurately describing the only Orthodox congregation near them, which is full of first and second generation immigrants. You'll still see the Orthodox cross in profiles from time to time, but it's way rarer now.
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Apr 6, 2023 19:20
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The EO shift was going on since the 2000s, even pre-Francis. Back then it was more disaffected American Protestants who were attracted to the exotic smells and bells, rather than only the based trad redpilled guys. But then the TradCath trend replaced it despite the pope.
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Apr 6, 2023 19:29
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If you don't have an underlying theology and you want a ready-made welcoming right wing community, it's hard to do better than the Mormons.
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Apr 6, 2023 19:43
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Azathoth posted:If you don't have an underlying theology and you want a ready-made welcoming right wing community, it's hard to do better than the Mormons.
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Apr 6, 2023 19:44
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plus you get to be god when you die. pretty good!
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Apr 6, 2023 19:53
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Online Catholicism is weird because less than years ago you had the leftist Tradinistas and then a few years later reactionary right-wing TradCath Latin liturgy fetishists were on the upswing and then within the last couple of years you had NYT op-eds about Weird Catholic Twitter and claiming New York's hottest club is the Catholic Church (mostly because they're choosing to platform very online religious people lol). I'm guessing that all of these internet trends don't really indicate the direction where a large denomination like the RCC is going. As far as the far right online people go idk what they've moved on to. I guess Andrew Tate becoming Muslim shows that Islam might be an option?
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Apr 6, 2023 19:54
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Maximo Roboto posted:Online Catholicism is weird because less than years ago you had the leftist Tradinistas and then a few years later reactionary right-wing TradCath Latin liturgy fetishists were on the upswing and then within the last couple of years you had NYT op-eds about Weird Catholic Twitter and claiming New York's hottest club is the Catholic Church (mostly because they're choosing to platform very online religious people lol). i think the american catholic church is eventually going to schism if francis keeps doing what he's doing. american catholicism is already rotten with american evangelical bullshit, but it's being pushed by the NYT as the cultured polite option.
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Apr 6, 2023 19:59
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I think I'm mostly talking about Twitter and other terminally online spaces that aren't actually connected to substantial numbers of Catholics in real life, even if say people like Adrian Vermeule might post from time to time https://twitter.com/catholicpat/status/1632380018931187712 https://twitter.com/catholicpat/status/1632420128242409477 https://twitter.com/HuwTD/status/1557075246586503168 From an outsider perspective, online Catholicism seems to be a lot of, "hm, what a lot of odd subcultures over the last decades!"
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Apr 6, 2023 20:03
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Maximo Roboto posted:Online Catholicism is weird because less than years ago you had the leftist Tradinistas and then a few years later reactionary right-wing TradCath Latin liturgy fetishists were on the upswing and then within the last couple of years you had NYT op-eds about Weird Catholic Twitter and claiming New York's hottest club is the Catholic Church (mostly because they're choosing to platform very online religious people lol). where does the "leftist" woman who stole a bunch of medical waste from an abortion clinic in order to give it funerals fit into this
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Apr 6, 2023 21:52
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https://twitter.com/NathanBacaTV/status/1509575371154460679?s=20 https://twitter.com/repreaux/status/1641567291623059457?s=20
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Apr 6, 2023 21:59
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All Christian denominations worship a cat killing deity, therefore I must oppose them as I do god himself.
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Apr 6, 2023 22:20
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Nosfereefer posted:islam is the light, op Another win for the Vatican 
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Apr 6, 2023 22:41
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that's cool. i'm jewish personally but I think it's really cool what you guys are doing.
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“9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?” You are goddam right if you make billions of lovely defective pots that can feel and talk and then throw them around and break them you should be expecting some back talk God! I’m a drat pot and I’m putting you on notice God. I’m striving with you!
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Apr 6, 2023 23:21
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I have always wondered if history would have been different had Marx been a devout christian. Expect from not writing anything critical of religion and dedicating his books to "The holy spirit" his works are identical. Does the Catholic Church and other christian organizations still end up taking a hard anti-marxist line?
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Apr 6, 2023 23:47
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Baudolino posted:I have always wondered if history would have been different had Marx been a devout christian. Expect from not writing anything critical of religion and dedicating his books to "The holy spirit" his works are identical. Does the Catholic Church and other christian organizations still end up taking a hard anti-marxist line? yes
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Apr 6, 2023 23:50
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All anti-Communists everywhere have enjoyed the full and unquestioned support of whatever local religious structure is most powerful no matter how depraved and psychotic their campaigns. Socialism is an existential threat to them in a way that even people going village to village shotgunning babies simply isn't.
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the catholic line on the world liberal order is identical to the perspective of mainline liberal democrats: the world system is cruel and awful and you should feel bad about it all the time. however, any left wing challenge to the liberal order is pure evil. edit: also, far right lunatics murdering people and doing coups? that’s actually very complicated, needs a lot of nuance.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:there's nothing worse than an atheist who converts to catholicism in their 20s-30s. absolute psychopath freaks to a man this is dasha erasure
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:there's nothing worse than an atheist who converts to catholicism in their 20s-30s. absolute psychopath freaks to a man insanely funny how they are completely disappointed that their local congregations are a bunch of normies, and then they go on to further and further niche conservative religious ideologies. all of my catholic friends get insanely angry when we talk about these people, most of them want almost nothing to do with the church
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Maximo Roboto posted:Maybe something from Dutch tradition of Kuyper Looked him up; some interesting ideas but his Anti-revolutionary party seems very nationalist. The catholic workers in particular bang on about the rights of immigrants and how borders are a manmade cleaving of God's creation. (Their biggest chapters are all in the SW)
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On one hand, Kuyper's Reformed theology helped to form the Dutch variant of Christian democracy, on the other hand the pillarisation concept was used by the Boers to invent apartheid
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Baudolino posted:I have always wondered if history would have been different had Marx been a devout christian. Expect from not writing anything critical of religion and dedicating his books to "The holy spirit" his works are identical. Does the Catholic Church and other christian organizations still end up taking a hard anti-marxist line? His writing is a book on how to be a Christian in the modern age, and he throughly identifies the greatest obstacle to living with love and decency towards one another, so I would say that like Heraclitus, Parmenides, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Trajan, and Virgil, he was righteous despite not being Christian.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:there's nothing worse than an atheist who converts to catholicism in their 20s-30s. absolute psychopath freaks to a man What's the problem, I can't think of another organization in America with more atheists than the Catholic Church.
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To be fair having a community is pretty cool so I see why all the old Lutherans who raised me were into it. That's not why crazy weirdos are into Christianity though so it's lost it's only real value
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lobster shirt posted:catholicism is bad and gods not real but if there was a correct religion it would be catholicism itd be some eastern religion, by a country mile. if it had to be abrahamic it'd be the og: judaism. none of the weak sauce dlc st augustine was a deeply disturbed man
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or ben franklins deism
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Ben franklins dms
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I grew up catholic in western Scotland in the 90s, and as a child had a mental impression of catholicism being the "good" christianity borne from the parts which emphasised Jesus' solidarity with the poor and oppressed, the importance of humility and forgiveness, and maxims like "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "it is easier for a camel to walk through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven". This was also in the twilight days of British protestant supremacism, so there was still a sense of being an oppressed minority even if it was well on its way out at this point as I grew up and learnt about the oppressive hierarchical structure of the church, its history of conquest, encouragement of regressive social attitudes and practices and the very real crimes & hypocrisies committed by innumerate clergy, I became revulsed by the institution with a fury that continues to burn to this day. Based on my experience I think catholicism has the potential to give people a grounding in concepts which can lead them to embrace more communal economic systems and ways of living, but this is dependent on hearing the good parts of the bible at the right age rather than being harangued by nuns for being a sinful child I don't keep in regular contact with many people from my school days, but through Insta stories I've gleaned that many of them are at least mildly leftist including those who stayed closer to catholicism - they tend to place more emphasis on economic issues and rights for migrants, and rarely if at all mention things like abortion or gender. There's only one guy I can think of from my school who went from being devout to an angry anti-vax, pro-Trump moon-howler - it actually seems like a higher proportion of folk from the "non-denominational" school in the town I grew up in went full-on reactionary later in life all this is to say that it feels like it can go either way with a catholic upbringing, depending on a million different factors. I can see there being some (plenty of) churches out there which place much less emphasis on turning out the money-lenders from the temple in favour of passing judgement on every social group that falls outwith their parameters of acceptability
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dadrips posted:catholic in western Scotland in the 90s, This was also in the twilight days of British protestant supremacism, so there was still a sense of being an oppressed minority even if it was well on its way out at this point Why weren't you a Presbyterian of the Church of Scotland, were you him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=garuRIyrS4w quote:pro-Trump moon-howler wtf a Scottish Trumpian
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Man goes to his therapist on Good Friday, asks “why does god allow evil and suffering to exist in the world? Why has god forsaken me?”. Doctor says, “The son of god, the messiah is in town here in Jerusalem today, whenever I have doubts on The Problem of Evil I go listen to him and I am consoled. The guy, in two natures, man and divine, replies, “but doc I AM יֵשׁוּעַ”
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Happy Easter
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Translation: eat thy egg
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Colonel Cancer posted:Translation: tiberius eat the eggs
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