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B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
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CHaKKaWaKka posted:

I really liked the book, but Al Pacino ruined it for me by suggesting that Timothée Chalamet should play a young version of him and I couldn't stop cracking up imagining Timmy as a grizzled Chicago detective

Timmy all jacked up on amphetamines using a shotgun to ambush home invaders might be hilarious to see on film though

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B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

ChickenHeart posted:

It's literally all about getting down fundamentals and then tedious amounts of practice. I never touched a firearm until I joined the military, then could barely shoot for beans until I took a 2-week tactical shooting course and did drills for months after that. At the height of my proficiency I could reliably land hits on a man-sized target at 25+ yards while moving, which was pretty cool.

And then you lose it all when you transition out because you're a normal person who doesn't need to maintain muscle memory of changing a rifle mag in under 2 seconds

The amount of time I have spent doing dry fire and just weapon manipulations to get to a point where I am merely "ok" is insane. It's probably close to a 100 hours so far

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

haljordan posted:

Easily my favorite movie soundtrack by a wiiiiiiide margin. Also Wes Studi kills it in everything (including Heat lmao)

His story about how he got cast in Heat is great. (he literally called up Michael Mann and thanked him for casting him and started talking about his ideas for his character and Mann just was like well I guess you are in it)

He also made Daniel Day Lewis sign an autograph for him using his left foot

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Is Heat 2 worth reading?

Mann's style really comes through in the novel if that makes sense. It's a very lean and pretty nasty read but very very enjoyable and I reread it a few months after finishing it.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Extra Large Marge posted:

"Public Enemies" wasn't one of his best films by any means, however part of it was was shot at one of my favorite restaurants in the Wisconsin Dells (and the surrounding Mirror Lake State Park).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_4S_-cr9Rs

They even put it on the sign


I honestly really like Public Enemies and I always forget it's a Michael Mann movie. The soundtrack is great

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:
Also the final shootout rules. Those long shots from each sides perspective with the distant muzzle flashes and the sound of the impacts/the crack of rounds going close by is so good.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

CHaKKaWaKka posted:

Agreed, boy was that guy a huge piece of poo poo.

I have a feeling that something went over my head because it seemed weird to me that Hanna would apparently give up on catching the guy for all these years.


I could be wrong cause but I thought there was conflict with his commanding officer following the house shootout and was implied that led to him quitting and going to robbery homicide in LA

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

thathonkey posted:

heres my mann top 5 ranking,

heat
thief
manhunter
collateral
last of the mohicans

I love Miami vice wayyy more than I should but this is absolutely the correct order

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Earwicker posted:

when is the last time someone made a crime thriller as good as Heat or Collateral?

most recent one i watched was The Drop with Tom Hardy, Noomi Rapace, and James Gandolfini. it was enjoyable but also a very small scale movie, no big set piece action scenes or anything. and also its from like 2014

I really liked Riders of Justice, it's a Danish film starting Mads Mikklelsen about a soldier who goes on a revenge spree after his wife dies. It's a very very dark film. Small Town Crime with John Hawkes is also a recent crime film I liked.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:
Sicario rules but the fact they haven't made a movie around Jeffrey Donovan's character is criminal...

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Earwicker posted:

i would rather just watch a movie about the real Mike Vining himself. but most of the poo poo that dude did is probably still classified

As long as it stars Jeffrey Donovan I agree

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Extra Large Marge posted:

"The Place Beyond the Pines" is good too. Well, the beginning of it at least if you're only looking for heist movies.

My wife grew up in Schenectady so we watch that movie every couple years. The first part is very very good but it starts dragging near the end

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Mister Speaker posted:

Nice, I've never heard of Spartan, will check it out purely on account of Val Kilmer but also because it's got Philliam H. Muffman in it.

Have we talked about Wrath of Man ITT? I feel like we have, but either way it's worth watching if you like heist/crime movies. It's Guy Ritchie and Jason Statham doing violence as usual. The script and editing feel more than a bit clumsy, in sort of a "what was the budget for this movie" kind of way, but the last couple of acts are very enjoyable, and the whole conceit of the robbers turning tail and running away literally as soon as they see Statham's face is a fun one because you can stop the movie right there and go "Yeah I'd probably run away too." Also he kills Post Malone.

Wrath of Man is one of my favorite movies from the past five years and I am pretty embarrassed by it. I know objectively it's not a "good" movie but I just really enjoy it.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:
Hot take, the Miami Vice movie is way better than people remember. The end shootout rules

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Roundup Ready posted:

That was an intentional audio mixing choice. Makes the gunfire/other loud noises way more intense

The sound is so good. The gunfire during the armored car robbery is just so loud and intense and sudden.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Mister Speaker posted:

Maybe I'll rewatch Miami Vice tonight. I saw it in theatres when I was a huge gun nut/armchair general and I remember it getting my rocks off with all the Michael Mann gun porn but I feel like rewatching it today it might all be a little cringe. The scene where the female SWAT member describes how she's going to shoot the hostage taker before he can trigger the explosive in particular was a bit hamfisted; SWAT operators don't do that, they just loving shoot you. And doesn't the climactic gun battle end with Colin Farrell literally doing a backflip whilst firing a shotgun? That's not in the training.


It's a throwback to the TV show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgyxIGl_Og

Also in the clip is some fantastic 80s pistol tactics. My personal favorite is sticking the mag in your mouth while doing a tac reload

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Rinkles posted:

Was that lingering shot of Yero seething with jealousy as a teardrop rolls down his cheek intended to be so hilariously melodramatic? The movie has a few moments like that, that I started to think Mann was intentionally leaning into camp.

I think he was leaning into it. The movie is filled with little moments like that. The scene with John Hawkes on the highway is over the top melodrama as well

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Code Jockey posted:

Every word of this, but yeah James Caan is fantastic in it, it's a great character for him

and yeah the thermal lance reveal is subtle, I love it. a modern movie by someone else would play big booming orchestra and have big sweeping shots of the thing, etc. This was just "you get to learn about it as we move because there is incredible tension in this moment and we don't have time to jerk off over the tools"

The lance scene is so good. It's such a loud messy scene that ups the realism of the movie.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:
Riders of Justice is a Danish crime film and it rules.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:
And not to be confused with The Killer (2022) which is a crazy badass action movie.

Honestly didn't really dig The Killer (2023). Just felt it was pretty boring and I fell asleep halfway through.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Extra Large Marge posted:

How do these compare to The Killer (1989)?

Obviously that is the best The Killer out there. The Killer (2022) is a solid action movie, Man From Nowhere vibes but with a lot more action

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

deep dish peat moss posted:

He literally hops around like a chimpanzee in a squat holding his gun one-handed while waving his other hand around and it's hilarious. Like the absolute worst "hold a gun" stance I've ever seen in a movie.

I watched that movie across 3 days because the character's narration is so bad and cliche I kept turning it off.

He doesn't wave his hand around, it is just held limply at his side like it was injured. It's really really bad and he moves like a moron while clearing

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

BitBasher posted:

If I recall what actually saved Max was that Vincent's muscle memory hosed him. IIRC Vincent Drew and shot first but put his rounds into the steel door aiming for center mass out of reflex, Max returned fire and got some shots through the off center glass windows shooting wild at extremely close range.

Max only won by absolute dumb luck.

Yeah it's this, Jamie Foxx is firing wildly with one hand while Cruise does a near perfect failure drill that he had done several times previously. I think it fits perfectly with the tone/themes of the movie personally.

Training scars are absolutely a thing with firearms, even highly trained shooters end up falling back onto trained patterns during stressful encounters and some guy that has trained a failure drill thousands of times will revert to that during an adrenaline dump.

Also I think I am like the one person that loved Miami Vice

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Mister Speaker posted:

I liked Den of Thieves :ohdear:

I'm honestly a bit of a fan as well, it's so over the top with the alpha male poo poo that I can't take it seriously at all so it's easy to turn your brain off and watch it.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

mysterious frankie posted:

Doesn’t he plan on making a film adaptation of Heat 2? I got it in my head that he was, and so I was gonna wait and see the movie version first.

It's his next movie apparently. There have been rumors about Timothee Chalamet playing the young version of Al Pacino's character

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

Shumagorath posted:

God I hope he’s still got it; feels like it might be his last at this rate.

The book is so good, I think he will fine. So many awesome scenes in it and the early heist in Mexico is going to rock on the screen.

Also we will get Al Pacino's character just absolutely blitzed on amphetamine blasting home invaders with a shotgun

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B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:

thathonkey posted:

imdb has an entry for it, which probably doesn't mean much, and it has adam driver rumored as young neil

The big question for me is who plays Chris. Kilmer just killed it in that role and the the book really focuses on him especially in the 2nd half

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