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Caught up with this today and will enjoy following it through. I never liked the series as much as Animorphs and don't think I ever finished it, but I'm surprised by how much of the little details I remember.quote:I had begun to think the Viking kings were at best primitive warriors and at worst drunken fools. But when I shot a fearful glance at the head table I saw a dozen very alert, very intelligent faces. I particularly like this. Reminds me of William Gibson talking about how he wrote the characters in The Peripheral, and how he tried to make sure the characters from the "past" (the 2030s) were just as sharp and perceptive as the characters in the future: quote:In the book, it’s a sort of transtemporal Skype running on a mysterious Chinese server that accounts for those two eras becoming entangled in a single story. By bringing them face to face, Gibson was addressing the tendency of any given generation to assume that “the inhabitants of the past are hicks and rubes, and the inhabitants of the future are effete, overcomplicated beings with big brains and weak figures. We always think of ourselves as the cream of creation.”
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# ? May 3, 2024 12:25 |
If you're gonna sing for a group like that, any old marching song is probably a good choice. Good thinking.
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# ? May 13, 2023 11:44 |
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If he's going to flip from world to world every time he sleeps, I just want to know if he ever actually feels rested.
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# ? May 13, 2023 15:55 |
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Chapter 22quote:Clock? What do they say? Reality is a shared delusion?
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# ? May 14, 2023 03:36 |
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Chapter 23quote:Senna’s bed was a double. The room was plenty big for it. A down comforter was folded, all puffy, stuffed out of the way in a big wicker basket. The bed wore only a thin cotton blanket, two pillows. What's weird is...well. a lot of stuff. But what's weird is that Senna doesn't have any mirrors.
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# ? May 16, 2023 03:03 |
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I read I think like half of this series but don't remember it much, especially not the Senna stuff, so this is just speculation: feels Senna is originally from Everworld, since what she said to April (and David) implies she already knew about it, and I would guess that her mother is from there too.Epicurius posted:What's weird is...well. a lot of stuff. But what's weird is that Senna doesn't have any mirrors. This I think is less a vampire/spirit thing and more an indication that Senna isn't a normal teenage girl and doesn't give a gently caress about her appearance or much else in this world, because she doesn't think of it as the "real" world.
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# ? May 16, 2023 09:27 |
Yeah this is wild that they're still "existing" in the real world while in everworld.
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# ? May 16, 2023 16:49 |
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There's also clearly some time differential between the two as its been 3 days in the 'real' world and like a day and a half at most in Everworld. Also interesting that they only synch back together when the Everworld version falls asleep since the Everworld parts aren't getting constant updates about new papers and whatnot.
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# ? May 16, 2023 17:15 |
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I wonder if their earth autopilot counterparts are aware of the everworld side of things. I mean, they can't have meaningful conversations about it since that would be plot development off-camera, for lack of a better term, but it's still something to think about
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# ? May 16, 2023 17:20 |
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But how does it work when only one of them is asleep and tries to talk to the "autopilot" version of the others? Guess we'll find out. It's interesting but I feel like the plot has still yet to start.
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# ? May 16, 2023 17:48 |
kiminewt posted:
yeah this is my only real complaint
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# ? May 16, 2023 18:05 |
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Chapter 24quote:‘drat it!’ Christopher yelled. There. Things are starting to happen.
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# ? May 17, 2023 02:59 |
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You can't really be vikings unless you go a-viking so really the team here should've expected to go to war.
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# ? May 17, 2023 03:57 |
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time for some age of empires, 1v1 arabia go
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# ? May 18, 2023 11:21 |
You doing okay epi?
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# ? May 19, 2023 13:32 |
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Sorry, everyone. I haven't been available because I haven't been feeling great.
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# ? May 22, 2023 20:18 |
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Take all the time you need, Epicurius! We'll be here when you're recovered.
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# ? May 22, 2023 20:24 |
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I was just assuming that you've been awake in Everwold and that the "real world" you wasn't as interested in updating the thread.
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# ? May 22, 2023 23:41 |
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Edna Mode posted:I was just assuming that you've been awake in Everwold and that the "real world" you wasn't as interested in updating the thread. Too busy investigating the room of the mysterious girl who took them there.
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# ? May 23, 2023 00:05 |
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I remember reading these books as a kid but I know i never finished the series and I have no idea where I fell off of them. It’s super interesting revisiting them as an adult - David’s got a lot of teenage emotiona going on and is clearly very concerned with what it means to be brave, to be mature, to be manly, and then we get dropped in with a bunch of Vikings just bawling listening to “Killing Me Softly” and David a) knows that he shouldn’t be underestimating these dudes but also B) observes that these guys clearly feel like there is nothing shameful about crying or displaying your emotions. Curious to see how those themes get explored and expanded on as the books continue.
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# ? May 23, 2023 21:00 |
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Chapter 25quote:The village was a swarm of activity. Shaven-headed slaves were rushing back and So, a little bit about Norse witchcraft, or seithr. Practitioners were called seithkonur or seithrmenn, and practitioners could be both male or female, although among men, it was associated with effeminacy and homosexualty. Male practitioners would swear oaths and offer sacrifices to Odin, and female to Freya. So far as we can tell, the practice involved both divination and cursing/using magic to affect other people. It seems to have been frowned upon except in very specific circumstances, especially among men, although some of that might have been later There's probably an essay about the concept of ergi in newly Christianized Iceland out there.
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# ? May 24, 2023 03:55 |
Glad to see you back.
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# ? May 24, 2023 15:57 |
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Chapter 26quote:We reached the ship. The sides were not much higher than our rowboat, but it was still a chore getting the three landlubbers up and over. David has finally found his element.
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# ? May 25, 2023 04:37 |
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Feels like he's desperately clinging to something familiar, as prefaced by how stoked he is to get on the boat in the first place and roll his eyes at the three "landlubbers," and especially in contrast to what he saw as his failure of manhood back at the castle. Might just be my opinion but I think Everworld does unreliable narrators more subtly than Animorphs did. Re: black King Olaf, I'm assuming this is an Everworld thing? I know Vikings were more wordly than people assume and travelled as far as Africa and Central Asia, and brought people back with them, but I wouldn't think you'd ever end up with a black king. (Read a fun novel a while ago called The Long Ships - apparently it's a classic in Sweden - about a bunch of Vikings and the first third of it is about them spending years in service to an Islamic lord in Spain.)
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# ? May 25, 2023 09:44 |
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freebooter posted:Re: black King Olaf, I'm assuming this is an Everworld thing? I know Vikings were more wordly than people assume and travelled as far as Africa and Central Asia, and brought people back with them, but I wouldn't think you'd ever end up with a black king. I get the feeling people are spread out differently. They can apparently easily sail longboats to the land of the Aztecs, and like David points out; "'Yes, the big, blond type predominated heavily, but there were Vikings who looked like they’d just come in from South America, Africa, or China. And a lot who looked less easily identifiable: mixes of Nordic and Asian, Nordic and African."
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# ? May 25, 2023 16:09 |
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Chapter 27quote:Just beyond the point we caught a following breeze. The Viking ships were great fort heir time and place, but they weren’t much good at sailing close to the wind. They could tack—move back and forth at angles to a wind that was against us—but only slowly and clumsily. Any weekend sailor in the real world could have sailed circles around these ships. I figure he has bigger problems right now than impressing his boss, but we all cope our own way....
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# ? May 26, 2023 03:38 |
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I too, have had work dreams where I toil at some drudgery despite knowing I had some other, better thing to be doing
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# ? May 26, 2023 06:54 |
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The double world thing is interesting but I never found it as engaging as Animorphs, precisely because they're such clearly delineated separate worlds for everybody except David, April et al. In Animorphs, the main characters are going through the drudgery of their daily lives while secretly knowing that they're heroes - that the future of literally everybody else, from their closest family to the yuppie Starbucks customers, are dependent on their hidden battle. Whereas even if David could make the yuppie Starbucks customer believe him, the response would be the "I ain't reading all that" meme.
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# ? May 26, 2023 13:08 |
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oh great, more boat wanking from (I assume) Michael Grant
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# ? May 26, 2023 14:47 |
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I will say I think it takes a bit too long to really settle the full hook for Everworld which is probably part of the reason it floundered compared to Animorphs. Like we're most of the way through the first book right now and we've only barely gotten into what's going on. Its set up as a sort of LOST style mystery box right now instead of the fairly straightforward setup Animorphs had. Like we have no idea, 1) What Everworld is and its relationship to the real world 2) Why the protagonists are split into 2 copies who sync up when they sleep in Everworld 3) What is Senna's deal? She's a 'witch' that Loki wants but otherwise??? 4) Why did she bring David, Jalil, Christopher and April with her? Did she do it deliberately or....? All of them (save Jalil) have some kind of personal connection to her we know already (David- Boyfriend, April - Half Sister, Christopher- Former Boyfriend) 5) Aliens??? Its complex and a lot of those pay off later but it can take a long time to even start getting answers.
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# ? May 26, 2023 18:14 |
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That timing is what's bugging me so far. I assume at some point the two worlds will be tied together and have a point. Right now it's the main story interrupted by largely irrelevant trips in to a completely disconnected world that, even within itself, is entirely on autopilot and not actually *doing* anything related to what's going on.
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# ? May 26, 2023 18:25 |
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Zore posted:I will say I think it takes a bit too long to really settle the full hook for Everworld which is probably part of the reason it floundered compared to Animorphs. This is pre-Lost, but yeah Michael Grant in particular was prone to that same style of Mystery Box storytelling that Lost popularized just a few years later, and again it's all over the Gone books too. Gone also takes a while to percolate in its mysteries and Lost is explicitly cited as an influence by Grant. I also realize that I've posted more in this thread about Gone than I actually have about Everworld and that's partly due to the fact that I've been so focused on wrapping up Alternamorphs for the last month that I've been neglecting actually reading the chapters up to this point. But now that the Animorphs thread is finally dead I can focus on reading Everworld now. I get in a way what Applegate and Grant are doing to with the sleep world jumping, they're trying to differentiate Everwold in some unique way from other secondary world fantasy series, but yeah it's too bad we haven't, at this point at least, gotten any real reason to care about why Everworld matters to the group's real world selves other than maybe if they die in Everworld, then they die on Earth too? I dunno, has that been fronted yet as a possibility?
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# ? May 26, 2023 19:11 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Tll but yeah it's too bad we haven't, at this point at least, gotten any real reason to care about why Everworld matters to the group's real world selves other than maybe if they die in Everworld, then they die on Earth too? I dunno, has that been fronted yet as a possibility? .
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# ? May 26, 2023 19:25 |
Epicurius posted:I get the impression that right now, Everworld is the "real world" for the protags. They spend time on earth when they go to sleep, but they don't have any real control about when they sleep or wake up or any idea where and when on Earth they wind up This is my thought too. I keep thinking it's like Changeling: The Lost, where the set up is that your character was abuducted to Arcadia by the fae and a fetch was left behind in your place.
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# ? May 26, 2023 21:15 |
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Expect another chapter tomorrow.
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# ? May 27, 2023 04:49 |
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nine-gear crow posted:This is pre-Lost, but yeah Michael Grant in particular was prone to that same style of Mystery Box storytelling that Lost popularized just a few years later, and again it's all over the Gone books too. Gone also takes a while to percolate in its mysteries and Lost is explicitly cited as an influence by Grant. I'm an irredeemable Lost fanboy, but I always personally liked the mystery aspect of Lost. And I'd say both Everworld and Lost thrust you into things basically straight away: no, the characters don't know what's going on and have to figure it out, but they're in immediate peril. Some people consider that to be harder to get into but I dunno, I like it! I think Animorphs sets up its dynamic quicker, i.e. by the end of book 1 it's clear that what we have is a group of guerilla fighters with a superpower who have to fight off an alien invasion. Boom, that right there is your endlessly variable Saturday morning cartoon story-of-the-week generator. But I don't think Everworld is really any slower at being immediately compelling.
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# ? May 27, 2023 05:47 |
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freebooter posted:I think Animorphs sets up its dynamic quicker, i.e. by the end of book 1 it's clear that what we have is a group of guerilla fighters with a superpower who have to fight off an alien invasion. Boom, that right there is your endlessly variable Saturday morning cartoon story-of-the-week generator. But I don't think Everworld is really any slower at being immediately compelling. We haven't gotten to the end of book one yet, but i can tell everyone it ends on a cliffhanger. Meanwhile. here's the plot of Animorphs book one. Our protagonists learn that earth is under invasion from alien slugs that can take over your mind. They gain the abilities to turn into animals to fight them. Our narrator learns his brother is controlled by a slug and the team tries to rescue him. They fail, escaping with their lives, and the narrator swears to save him someday. That's the plot of the book. (There's a section where they find animals to turn into that I left out). But it's a complete story. A problem is set up at the beginning (Tom's controlled by Yeerks), and our heroes try, this time unsuccessfully, to resolve it. And that's the story. While Animorphs is a 50 book collection of short stories arranged around a theme, Everworld is one story in 12 parts.
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# ? May 27, 2023 17:25 |
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3911290&pagenumber=19&perpage=40#post532356773
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# ? Jun 7, 2023 22:00 |
I hope you're shitposting in your afterlife of choice, Epi. Thank you for introducing me to animorphs.
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# ? May 3, 2024 12:25 |
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I doubt anyone wants to pick this up in Epicurius's stead, ala Midjack picking up the end of the Twilight Saga Let's Read from chitoryu12, but if they do feel like, just give me a shout and I can see about getting them the books like I did for Epicurius. Otherwise Everwold, I guess.
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