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His processing speed needs work and will be what keeps him from being great if he doesn't improve but I disagree with every other point there and yeah, it does seem like it's some kind of personal thing with you which I don't quite understand If he sucks this year I'll be the first to get on him about it but this is the first time in his career that he's both a) had an NFL quality coach and b) is throwing to targets better than guys off buffalo practice squad
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blarzgh posted:Notice as well that all the farty, bloated Giants fans have sworn a blood oath to abhor statistics, So they can pretend that Eli Was anything more than a below average quarterback carried by luck, variance, and an all-world defense to two titles. The 2011 giant defense was abysmal and bottom 6-7 in almost every stat that mattered https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/opp.htm It's right up there with the frequently cited "Eli always relied on a strong running game and play action" https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/offense/rushing/2011/reg/all The 2011 giants' team 3.5 ypc was dead last in the entire league, worse than the colt Mccoy/Peyton hillis/Montario Hardesty Browns, so you know they really fuckin sucked Couple that with an over the hill offensive line that was just as bad at pass blocking as they were run blocking and it took a herculean effort from Eli to drag those bums to the playoffs where their defense finally decided to start trying for the first time all year. That team was really, really bad at most positions but prime Eli reached the point where he could carry a team singlehandedly for a few seasons. And Eli at SF in the 2011 NFCCG where he got absolutely obliterated behind a gutless OL facing the best defense in the league in the rain yet never shied away from a single hit is still one of the better QB performances I've seen. The Niners were very easily the best team in the league that year and if the QBs were swapped they would have strolled to a title, probably two or three Eli had a lot of believers after that season and rightfully so, however there were and still (obviously) are quite a few Sean Salisbury-tier takes that he got carried to that title
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MrMojok posted:It is absolutely incredible that this thread has now devolved into people defending Eli loving Manning I know, it really shouldn't be happening because everyone should already recognize that he's a first ballot hall of famer But alas we must convince the final few holdouts
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I agree, Daniel Jones was held back by Garrett for a minute there but I think he too is already better than Tony Romo now that he's been freed
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1656667996356759556 There wasn't a long enough pause after his opening question to hear the world collectively shout no
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Pretty compelling arguments on this page and I've carefully weighed all the data I have available to me If I had to choose between Dak or Hurts, I'd choose Daniel Jones
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May 18, 2023 17:42
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Doltos posted:The second the run didn't work was when we lost. Every game Saquon was held to low yards or not more than 15 attempts was a loss. Every single one. There were only two wins last year that weren't on the back of Saquon and happened to be the only two times Jones looked at all good, which of course was against the Titans putrid rear end defense and the Colts when they gave up on the season.  Watching games with your monitor off must be pretty difficult so I'm gonna give you a pass on this playoff game
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But the giants got blown out the following week by the eagles when both their lines got blown off the ball 5 yards every play and that's why Daniel Jones sucks!!!
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Going off the implied odds of winning each of those games that they are favored in (I.e. Not the kc game) Vegas gives the eagles a 5.6% chance of winning all five of those games in that stretch So yeah I guess technically there's a chance they win them all
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Those are all fair points and I appreciate the images to help prove the point Here's an image of my counterargument 
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Ayudo posted:Eli should make it into the HoF just for holding the record for most losses by a starting QB. Truly an insurmountable record that is surely set to stand the test of time and never be surpassed, Eli manning's career loss totals Ah, poo poo, I'm being told that it was broken by a guy who was drafted when Eli was 6 years old https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-career-losses-by-a-quarterback-in-regular-season Truly the shortest lived insurmountable record I've seen today
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