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Epi Lepi posted:Endgame Spoilers: It helps that it's a two pronged spoiler, I saw the Bode betrayal right before it happened but did not see him being Force Sensitive coming. I had it the other way around because some random loving YouTube thumbnail that popped up showed him with a lightsaber or otherwise gave away him being a Jedi, so I knew that was coming, and maybe that was why everything he did on Jedha and after surprised me. I think I was maybe more expecting him to just be a Jedi companion rather than “oh poo poo, he’s the antagonist now”.
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Epi Lepi posted:Endgame Spoilers: It helps that it's a two pronged spoiler, I saw the Bode betrayal right before it happened but did not see him being Force Sensitive coming. It's a nice counterpoint to Darth Vader and the imagery of Cere pulling down the archive on him in a futile attempt to slow him down. How and why do the Jedi fall? Yeah, the Empire hunts some of them down. But sometimes they just got so desperate they threw away their own (fatally flawed) teachings and just beat each other to death.
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Finished this game yesterday, so fun. Going to do the rumors and probably call it quits after that, don't really care for collecting poo poo
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Jan 21, 2024 07:25
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i found the collecting of items pretty fun. there were alot of neat little areas i didnt notice which were fun to discover.
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Jan 21, 2024 13:53
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And it also gives you another reason to roam around and mess up some enemies with the fairly satisfying combat in the game.
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Jan 21, 2024 15:04
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Yeah one thing I'll give this game is that the collectables are mostly at least hidden behind some kind of puzzle or combat encounter, even if it's just trying to figure out how to get to a particular ledge in the over world map. It's better than the straight Ubisoft style stuff where you're literally.jisy navigating to a point on the map and picking a thing up.
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Jan 21, 2024 15:17
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The item finding in this game is ehhh ok I guess. A lot of what you get is currencies for shop items which are themselves mostly fairly trivial. Certainly an improvement on the first game where the only thing in the universe depressed Cal would pick up was a new color theme for his poncho. However the seed collection can absolutely gently caress off, I have no idea who it’s for but I hope they’re happy in life
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Jan 21, 2024 15:41
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Seeds pods feel like there was unfinished extra stuff there.
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Really cool how you meet Dagan in this game. Cooler than Taron and 2nd Sister so far. Really gives the evil bastard vibe.
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Ulio posted:Really cool how you meet Dagan in this game. Cooler than Taron and 2nd Sister so far. Really gives the evil bastard vibe. Ooh absolutely, I loved how he was introduced.
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Jan 24, 2024 21:00
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The game really wants you to appreciate his v line
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endgame spoilers: i feel like bode's betrayal would have worked better if he had more of a presence previously? he didn't really do much throughout most of the game, he's only a companion for some pretty brief sequences and is fairly useless during those times and doesn't really do much in the plot before his betrayal lmao at the 'embrace the darkness' prompt in the final boss fight it was definitely better that the balance of collectibles shifted away from being so dominated by cosmetics, but it was ridiculous just how much they increased the density of collectibles in general to i guess compensate (negatively) for that.
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lih posted:endgame spoilers: lmao at the 'embrace the darkness' prompt in the final boss fight If you didn't know, there's a tiny choice there. If you don't embrace the darkness he kills you, but when you respawn the embrace the darkness isn't forced and times out. Personally I reckon the first time it happens at Nova Garon, instead of press to embrace cal's darkness, they should've had three prompts in quick succession, each of which speeds you up a little more: something like 'channel cal's anger', 'use cal's hate', 'embrace the dark side'. It's star wars, after all. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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Feb 4, 2024 16:40
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WHAT?!? I died the first time and then just did it the second
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I have to imagine it’s more a “this dummy hesitated too long or doesn’t understand prompts and we want them to finish the game” rather than any sort of dark side point +1 avoidance
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I was railroaded by the DM!
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Dogen posted:I have to imagine it’s more a “this dummy hesitated too long or doesn’t understand prompts and we want them to finish the game” rather than any sort of dark side point +1 avoidance Maybe you're right. The game does strongly tend to avoid giving the character choices: we're playing out Cal's story, not making it. On another note, one thing the game really needed to do but didn't is just tell me what the gently caress the koboh abyss is in, like, a physical way. Just the basics that the characters can infer from looking at it and their understanding of how things work in this universe. You don't have to explain everything about it and can leave some things a mystery but I spent the entire game confused by what I was seeing in a very distracting way. You can kinda infer by things towards the end, but still. At least throw me some kind of illustrative but vague metaphor. (If it was Trek I would've just been 'oh yeah standard issue spatial anomaly', but Wars doesn't tend to have that kind of thing so much? So for a while I was like 'is the perspective just bad and it's actually big enough to fit a star system inside?' but no some kind of spatial sinkhole I guess.) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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I never quite felt like the backstory in this game came together emotionally. All the plot elements are there and I like the Koboh matter as a concept, it’s very evocative of catastrophe. But what is the point of it? In the end it’s just a mechanical element. It’s an obstacle to overcome, both for the player and the characters who seem to have little concern about it. I think that all the High Republic stuff ends up being too immaterial to the main characters. Dagan is a raging rear end in a top hat with few redeeming qualities, Cal never gets a chance to make a connection with him and nothing you ever see explains why exactly he cared so much about Tanalor. Santari seems civil, but she’s neither very likable nor alive. Zee, who kicks off the whole plot and is the only direct connection Cal has to these events, ends up being kind of a non-entity/comic relief. You don’t even really get the catharsis of having made it to Tanalor because there’s nothing to do there, it’s just a nice looking hallway to the boss. Maybe it’s all sequel bait idk.
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i think the plot just suffers from not very much happening until the end of the game. most of the plot is just padding - finding the compasses, rescuing allies in trouble with the empire or the raiders do nothing to push anything forward at all.MikeJF posted:If you didn't know, there's a tiny choice there. If you don't embrace the darkness he kills you, but when you respawn the embrace the darkness isn't forced and times out. yeah i found out he kills you but the second time i skipped the cutscene which skipped right past the prompt so i wasn't sure what was up with that lih fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Yeah, to be honest a lot of it felt a bit like 'lucasfilm decided the High Republic is the next big push back when we started development'
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Dagan Gera is also way too baby-faced. Maybe it's what they were going for? But he just felt so petulant, rather than a threat.
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Cal was so excited to find another Jedi, it would have been great if they had Dagan accompany you for a little while before the heel turn. That would be a perfect way to do some character building and build tension, having Dagan become increasingly deranged talking to Cal and learning about what's happened since he went into the bacta tank. Cal goes from being excited to increasingly suspicous, Dagan gets more brutal in combat as time goes on, etc. Would have been cool!
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I liked Dagan being a lol baby boy. I think his immediately outing himself as a bad guy works well with the rest of the story too.
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Jedi Survivor won Best Video Game Score at the Grammys. A deserved win, imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGvMnlNZrZ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey19F7eLmPU
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Cross-Section posted:Jedi Survivor won Best Video Game Score at the Grammys. A deserved win, imo. Not in a year where Hi-Fi Rush, Final Fantasy 16, Octopath Traveller 2, Pizza Tower... honestly there's like three dozen games that have better soundtracks than Survivor, not that Survivor was bad.
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skasion posted:Dagan is a raging rear end in a top hat with few redeeming qualities, Cal never gets a chance to make a connection with him and nothing you ever see explains why exactly he cared so much about Tanalor. Dagan wants Tanalor for the same reasons everyone else does. It's a safe haven away from the prying eyes and crushing reach of The Empire. Cal wants it to be a new safe place for jedi to live in peace. Bode wants it to be a safe space for him and his daughter alone. Dagan wants it for the same reason as Cal, but also to build up an army to oppose the Empire. quote:Maybe it’s all sequel bait idk. Can't argue with that. If and when we get a sequel to finish out this story, I imagine Tanalor will be referenced heavily if not the main base of operations.
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More his obsession back before being tank'd isn't really well justified.
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CzarChasm posted:Dagan wants Tanalor for the same reasons everyone else does. It's a safe haven away from the prying eyes and crushing reach of The Empire. Cal wants it to be a new safe place for jedi to live in peace. Bode wants it to be a safe space for him and his daughter alone. Dagan wants it for the same reason as Cal, but also to build up an army to oppose the Empire. I get why he’s trying to go back there now. But 200 years before the empire existed, Dagan already wanted Tanalor enough that he completely broke with the Jedi Order and went on a killing spree when they told him, extremely reasonably, that he couldn’t build a temple there in the middle of a war with an enemy that knew the exact location of his chosen spot. The game spends quite a lot of time dwelling on his resentment against the Jedi and Santari for what he considers to be taking it away from him, but never makes it make sense. Why did he feel this connection to Tanalor that nobody else did? Is it just because he found the place? Ok, sure, but to completely burn down your own life and kill your own people about it? Especially because his whole articulated reason for ever wanting the place was to set up a Jedi academy there, what could possibly make it worth while to kill Jedi and abandon the order to accomplish that? It feels like the kind of setup that old EU stories would have resolved with “it was all the fault of an ancient darksider ghost that possessed him”. and I respect that they didn’t do that fwiw, but they end up just not really explaining his heel turn at all. And yeah I do hope Tanalor is the starting world or at least an option in Jedi 3. Looks great. skasion fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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skasion posted:I get why he’s trying to go back there now. But 200 years before the empire existed, Dagan already wanted Tanalor enough that he completely broke with the Jedi Order and went on a killing spree when they told him, extremely reasonably, that he couldn’t build a temple there in the middle of a war with an enemy that knew the exact location of his chosen spot. The game spends quite a lot of time dwelling on his resentment against the Jedi and Santari for what he considers to be taking it away from him, but never makes it make sense. Why did he feel this connection to Tanalor that nobody else did? Is it just because he found the place? Ok, sure, but to completely burn down your own life and kill your own people about it? Especially because his whole articulated reason for ever wanting the place was to set up a Jedi academy there, what could possibly make it worth while to kill Jedi and abandon the order to accomplish that? The enemy knew Tanalor existed but couldn't get to it. He was absolutely 100% convinced it would be the best and safest place and got shot down moments before everything started going to poo poo, then he got slapped in a pod and woke up to discover his worst fears had come true and had what we call a tiny freakout.
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I think he felt it was his home and got really really deep into sunk cost after seeing a bunch of his comrades die defending it
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Also 200 years feels way too short for the degree of stylistic difference and the slow rate things evolve in Star Wars.
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MikeJF posted:Also 200 years feels way too short for the degree of stylistic difference and the slow rate things evolve in Star Wars. Yeah, I had this complaint too. I just have trouble with the whole "Ancient forgotten relics of a bygone age" within a time frame Chewbacca could have been alive for.
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ImpAtom posted:The enemy knew Tanalor existed but couldn't get to it. He was absolutely 100% convinced it would be the best and safest place and got shot down moments before everything started going to poo poo, then he got slapped in a pod and woke up to discover his worst fears had come true and had what we call a tiny freakout. The enemy sure look like they got to it. We see them showing up there in Cal’s vision of Dagan’s memory, right before Dagan realizes he’s there. https://youtu.be/Y1LATTSiQew?si=vcCCJ6ljwYzI5Vgn Circa 2:30
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Even for the Jedi they did a particularly lovely job of monitoring the training and emotional state of that guy. At least with Anakin they were distracted.
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skasion posted:The enemy sure look like they got to it. We see them showing up there in Cal’s vision of Dagan’s memory, right before Dagan realizes he’s there. Those were two different scenes, weren't they? One on the planet and then another when they went back to talk to the Jedi Council?
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ImpAtom posted:Those were two different scenes, weren't they? One on the planet and then another when they went back to talk to the Jedi Council? That's the way I read it, but it was cut in such a way that it almost looks like "WOW! Look at this amazing planet, tucked away and hidden. Let's go tell the council and petition to put our HQ here." And then they seem to be standing outside the building on Tanalor and it's "Bad news. They said no  "Scene 1 takes place in a rocky, cave like area (on Tanalor) and scene 2 takes place in a rocky, cave like area at night. It's not immediately clear that they are two separate locations.
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ImpAtom posted:Those were two different scenes, weren't they? One on the planet and then another when they went back to talk to the Jedi Council? It was on Tanalorr. I happened to watch this yesterday which gives some context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVZ6yBRu8CY But I also don't think the context is that needed because it really, really doesn't matter why poo poo got hosed 200+ years ago, it just matters that it did.
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A HQ. This is something that a few High Republic writers seem to get - the Jedi Order back then is galaxy spanning and they're out in the galaxy with the people and there's lots of them. Contrast with the prequel era Jedi who have basically withdrawn to Coruscant.
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Star Wars game related; what's the best way to play KotOR 1 & 2 nowadays? I know both are available on the switch now, is that the best or is steam with mods the way to go? Last time I looked into the cut content mod for 2 it kind of looked like a hassle, is that the case?
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I just finished Suvivor last night! Overall I really liked it, a huge improvement over the first one. Spoiler chat I knew from about the second time Bode showed up that he was either gonna betray Cal or die, so that was kinda lame, but the whole he's a Jedi too thing totally surprised me and was a really cool moment, so I'm glad they had another twist on top of things to make it interesting. I played it on PS5 since the PC port appears to still be broken, and was relatively trouble free, although I caught the crew T-posing a couple times when traveling around in the ship which was cute. I would have liked to see it with all the ray tracing bells and whistles since it's a good looking game, but alas... Also it should have let us just switch to whatever lightsaber stance we wanted whenever, cause i just found two I liked and never touched the others after that.
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