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So does this show explain how they produce oxygen for 10000 people? Is it in the books? Or they just don't bother? You'd figure if say it was CO2 scrubbers/ anything produced by the generator then turning it off would be an even bigger deal.
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Just Chamber posted:So does this show explain how they produce oxygen for 10000 people? Is it in the books? Or they just don't bother? You'd figure if say it was CO2 scrubbers/ anything produced by the generator then turning it off would be an even bigger deal. Did you see the farms? If they can grow food crops in their underground bunkers they can probably manage some algae as well.
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Jul 31, 2023 08:52
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The camera cover story is that they're (just?) carbon dioxide monitors.
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This show was way too slow. Should have been five, six episodes tops.
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Just Chamber posted:So does this show explain how they produce oxygen for 10000 people? Is it in the books? Or they just don't bother? You'd figure if say it was CO2 scrubbers/ anything produced by the generator then turning it off would be an even bigger deal. The books explain much about the plausibility of the situation, but going into more detail will surely involve spoilers. Like it was said itt before but these are not books that leave you with any ambiguity about really, anything, in the setting, the show tries hard to evoke 'Lost' but the books are more like Dexter circling the word 'Black Van', everything is answered, and then when you think all of the mysteries were resolved the books spend 200 hundred pages where characters tediously explain to each other every potentially loose plot point, which you've really already figured out ages ago.
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I said this in another thread, but Common played almost the exact same role in the animated kids' movie Smallfoot but at least that movie had a song about it.
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Commons character feels like he had a rider or whatever in his contract. “I’ll play a cop, but I get to look cooler than everyone else.”
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I really enjoyed this. I feel like it was the right length for the season. The finale is a mind gently caress. She better be going to all the other silo cameras and doing little jigs or something.
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TraderStav posted:Let's not talk about Heroes. I think it's appropriate, given the situation. A good vid on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpSxuQA2qdQ
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Aug 1, 2023 09:34
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Reading the books is a p fun experience after watching the season Oh that character? Nah let's not bore you with his peronsal life. They wrote up a loooot of extra filler for the TV show for sure. The entirety of season 1 in the books is basically condensed into a few plot points supply tape better, jahn dies, bernard big (small) bully, holston mysterious, alright lets go outside! I def enjoyed the TV show, but I don't think I can sit through another season full of filler once I have completed these books
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Mikojan posted:Reading the books is a p fun experience after watching the season I also have been enjoying the books, but they are definitely a different pace and style. I feel they complement the show well. I'm about a quarter into book two. I was worried before starting it that it'd be just more of the same but was very pleasantly surprised by the change in narrative structure and all. Being vague to be spoiler free, but REALLY enjoying the second book! I think it'll translate well to the screen.
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Aug 1, 2023 11:31
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I liked the pacing of the show, and I'm glad they spent a lot of time on the supporting characters. The performances felt strong to me, and added a lot of depth and believability to a setting that I'm not sure holds up if you think about it too critically. I never noticed anything about Rebecca Fergusson's accent. To me the major problem, which seems ubiquitous now, is actors just mumbling constantly. Plus a lot of editing where we're looking at the listener's face while the person talking is off screen, so you can't see their mouth move. The narrative justification for the fake helmet displays (and the cleaning ritual in general) is pretty weak I think. It could be worse, but my suspension of disbelief level is close to maximum. I'm pretty forgiving of this at the moment since the overal vibe is something like 1984 + Dark City + Fallout, all of which I have a soft spot for.
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I.G. posted:a setting that I'm not sure holds up if you think about it too critically.
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Tiggum posted:It absolutely doesn't. It's full of stuff that doesn't make sense or wouldn't work. Like, why would they fake removing the birth control implants instead of just rigging the lottery? Why bring the doctors into the conspiracy when they could easily contain it to IT? Or, how did they completely erase all historical knowledge within a few generations? There's this cut-off point 144 years ago beyond which no one knows anything. Nothing got passed down by word of mouth. op i don't know if you noticed, it was very subtle, but there are in fact people passing things down by mouth - the flamekeepers, and all the people in the suits outside, who are dead and not sleeping as you may have thought
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Aug 11, 2023 06:13
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They talk about there being memory drugs in the water supply.
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tokin opposition posted:op i don't know if you noticed, it was very subtle, but there are in fact people passing things down by mouth - the flamekeepers, and all the people in the suits outside, who are dead and not sleeping as you may have thought Practically everyone should know a bit though, because people talk to each other - especially about important events like a massive rebellion that somehow wiped out all historical records. The idea that there's only this small group of people passing down information is what's implausible. The fact that the authorities were able to so completely wipe out all knowledge of the time before the rebellion is what's implausible. Especially without a new, false history to replace it. Like, think about the next generation of kids born after the rebellion. They go to school and learn that all history has been lost, so they go home and ask their parents about it and their parents say what? "Sorry, I can't remember a single thing from my childhood. It's a complete blank. Those pesky rebels got inside my brain and erased history."
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Tiggum posted:Practically everyone should know a bit though, because people talk to each other - especially about important events like a massive rebellion that somehow wiped out all historical records. The idea that there's only this small group of people passing down information is what's implausible. The fact that the authorities were able to so completely wipe out all knowledge of the time before the rebellion is what's implausible. Especially without a new, false history to replace it. I forget exactly what they know from pre-rebellion times, but I assumed the rough timeline goes: Bad stuff happens to the world People enter the silo Knowledge about the pre-silo world mostly vanishes Rebellion happens Knowledge about what caused the rebellion mostly vanishes Perhaps the first generation (and the generation from the time of the rebellion) agreed to let potentially-dangerous knowledge die out? jassa fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Aug 11, 2023 09:50
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jassa posted:Perhaps the first generation (and the generation from the time of the rebellion) agreed to let potentially-dangerous knowledge die out? Which is not a criticism of the show, btw. I think the show was mostly pretty good. These things don't really matter. But they are there.
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the show and books do have some plot holes and there are no doubt elements that stretch the plausibility of the scenario, but it's so odd to watch this season and make these observations thinking that these are not things that are going to get addressed in one way or another, like it's a mccarteryst nightmare, the show deals with the censorship of information and control of narratives, do you really think that we're just meant to learn these details and think it all checks out and there's nothing weird about any of it?
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Aug 11, 2023 10:41
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Having gotten through halfway of the second book, I can say that while these holes are not 100% covered, they are handled in a pretty satisfying way once some of the mysteries are revealed. I'm finding the second book to be way better than the first and digging the world that was created now that I have learned more. Point being, if they get a few seasons and stick to the major themes, I think all of this is going to work out.
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Also I always just sort of assume that there is even more knowledge passed around/pre-rebellion talk that happens but it's just so criminalized that it's never public. It's just kind of ambient to the world if that makes sense.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:the show and books do have some plot holes and there are no doubt elements that stretch the plausibility of the scenario, but it's so odd to watch this season and make these observations thinking that these are not things that are going to get addressed in one way or another, like it's a mccarteryst nightmare, the show deals with the censorship of information and control of narratives, do you really think that we're just meant to learn these details and think it all checks out and there's nothing weird about any of it? I think it's not important at this time. Some stuff may become important later, but I'm not going to try to figure out which implausible elements of the setting are intentionally implausible and which are just shortcuts to make the story work. It doesn't matter. Trying to come up with justifications for all of it or figure out how it could work would not enhance my enjoyment of the show.
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One thing I really liked was that the heat tape turned out to be a significant part of the final reveal, after being introduced pretty early in what sounded like a throw-away line. This gives me some confidence that somebody is trying to write with a complete story arc in their head. My main concern watching any sci-fi mystery show like this is that the writers are just making poo poo up as they go with no intention of working towards some final conclusion. Question for book readers: do you think the book series ends with something that would make a reasonably satisfying conclusion to a TV series (i.e. not everything has to be 100% resolved, but overall you didn't feel the whole thing was a waste of time)? Please answer with just a "yes' or "no" in spoiler tags (I understand this a very subjective question).
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I.G. posted:One thing I really liked was that the heat tape turned out to be a significant part of the final reveal, after being introduced pretty early in what sounded like a throw-away line. This gives me some confidence that somebody is trying to write with a complete story arc in their head. My main concern watching any sci-fi mystery show like this is that the writers are just making poo poo up as they go with no intention of working towards some final conclusion. I can only answer through midway book two but Yes, I do think at this point it's worth your time to at least watch 2-3 more seasons. It gets quite interesting and funf
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I.G. posted:One thing I really liked was that the heat tape turned out to be a significant part of the final reveal, after being introduced pretty early in what sounded like a throw-away line. This gives me some confidence that somebody is trying to write with a complete story arc in their head. My main concern watching any sci-fi mystery show like this is that the writers are just making poo poo up as they go with no intention of working towards some final conclusion. Yes!
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Tiggum posted:It absolutely doesn't. It's full of stuff that doesn't make sense or wouldn't work. Like, why would they fake removing the birth control implants instead of just rigging the lottery? Why bring the doctors into the conspiracy when they could easily contain it to IT? Or, how did they completely erase all historical knowledge within a few generations? There's this cut-off point 144 years ago beyond which no one knows anything. Nothing got passed down by word of mouth. The birth control thing makes total sense. You don't win the lottery? Easy to claim the system is rigged. Something to rebel against. But you DO win the lottery and just can't conceive? Well, that's just a sad fact of biology, sorry sir and ma'am. But hey, at least you were given the chance! The government gave you a fair shot, not the government's fault it didn't work out. (Even though it is, but you don't know that!) Nothing to rebel against here! It's just another layer of control/compliance. Sure, it won't work on everyone (like Rashida's character) but it will placate all but the most determined to find answers or rebel against something.
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Aug 11, 2023 20:10
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Something to think about is season 1 is literally the first three chapters of a 500 page book that is the first of 3. Calling something that hasn’t been explained yet a plot hole is a bit premature.
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Hughlander posted:Something to think about is season 1 is literally the first three chapters of a 500 page book that is the first of 3. Calling something that hasn’t been explained yet a plot hole is a bit premature. Listen, I find it hard to believe a magic gold ring would be deep underground in a dark tunnel for who knows how long. Like, how would it even get there?! Clearly this is a plot hole and not a part of the story to be revealed later.
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Just binged the season, so good! I wish this was getting as much love as Severance did and that’s a low bar since I feel like nobody watched Severance.
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Severance felt like the biggest show airing at the time. Was talked about tons online at least.
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Yeah it seems a little under the radar. Maybe one problem is that "Silo" is one of the most boring words I can think of, evoking nothing in my brain other than some vague concept of grain storage. Although somehow it's this is still an improvement over "Wool".
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EL BROMANCE posted:Severance felt like the biggest show airing at the time. Was talked about tons online at least.
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I got Severance confused with Succession so I didn't watch it (at first) because rich people problems is an extremely unfulfilling premise.
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Same. I haven’t seen Succession because rich ppl problems are smth I just don’t need to pollute my life with, although I am conflicted because of all the praise it’s getting
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Aug 15, 2023 08:44
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At least it’s not called “From”.
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They should call season two 'Silos'
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Silo³
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ozmunkeh posted:Silo³ HyperSilo
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