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Escobarbarian posted:I guess I don’t even think the concept of a superhero movie with more then zero thought behind it was that unique at the time, I guess. It's not. And Snyder is never quoted saying as such. It's just that when a crossover film featuring two of the most storied comic book heroes in history -- characters who also happen to have very iconic adaptations in previous films as well -- there's very much a certain sort of vivacious experience the audience is expecting going into a movie with "Batman" and "Superman" in the title. What Snyder delivered with BvS was clearly NOT that, lol. He crafted something much different and against the grain.
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Escobarbarian posted:Some cool posts up in here! I definitely get what you all are going for now. I still don’t agree that it’s why the movie was considered a failure and I will always have major qualms with that way of thinking but I can happily admit the comparisons and metaphors go deeper than I was aware of. Just want to reiterate that Snyder even pops a disclaimer saying "he might be wrong" about his explanation regarding why BvS was so polarizing.
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teagone posted:It's not. And Snyder is never quoted saying as such. It's just that when a crossover film featuring two of the most storied comic book heroes in history -- characters who also happen to have very iconic adaptations in previous films as well -- there's very much a certain sort of vivacious experience the audience is expecting going into a movie with "Batman" and "Superman" in the title. What Snyder delivered with BvS was clearly NOT that, lol. He crafted something much different and against the grain. Even better, he somewhat adapted one of the most famous graphic novels of all time that heavily features the two of them and flipped it on its head to make Batman an unhinged psycho. I still think nerds were just mad that Batman isn’t cool in BvS. Switch Wonder Woman & Batman’s roles and people would have been fine with it.
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Alexander Hamilton posted:I still think nerds were just mad that Batman isn’t cool in BvS. Switch Wonder Woman & Batman’s roles and people would have been fine with it. There is definitely a current in fandom thought where being evil is simply playing the heel while being seen as embarrassing/cringe/awkward-but-not-in-the-cute-way is unforgivable, and Batman is often embarrassed in BvS.
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May 11, 2023 02:11
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I once talked to someone who was mad at the very idea of an allegory for 9/11 and considered it disrespectful to the people who died in 9/11 so I think people actually were too stupid for BvS.
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Escobarbarian posted:Some cool posts up in here! I definitely get what you all are going for now. I still don’t agree that it’s why the movie was considered a failure and I will always have major qualms with that way of thinking but I can happily admit the comparisons and metaphors go deeper than I was aware of. Another Snyder-dome success story!
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May 11, 2023 02:22
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I can't say why people as a whole rejected it, but common terms in discussion of it are things like "joyless" and "grimdark" suggesting that, debate about the exact terms he used to describe it aside, Snyder's comment that people wanted a more light-hearted romp was pretty much on the money
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May 11, 2023 02:26
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Roth posted:I once talked to someone who was mad at the very idea of an allegory for 9/11 and considered it disrespectful to the people who died in 9/11 so I think people actually were too stupid for BvS. *looking at person getting mad about 9/11 allegories* Is that your 9/11 face?
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What's fun about BvS is that you see the mental toll that being a superhero takes on Clark and Bruce. Clark is uncomfortable with how people see him as some kind of god, either lording above lowly humans or some benevolent force of nature. He knows he's only one person and not perfect. Bruce has just been beat to poo poo during his war on crime in Gotham, and is now forced to admit that there is a potential threat out there who could crush him like an ant. And to add insult to injury, this "Superman" who could stop suffering but chooses not to has the audacity to tell him to stop his war. It rules.
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Jimbot posted:The elaborate "lead-lined" wheelchair stuff in the Director's Cut isn't something I liked. I flip-flopped over that part but settled on "could have done without it". It has the unfortunate side effect of Superman using his xray vision willy-nilly. Like he's inherently suspicious of people. Him not seeing it because he chose to believe the man was there in good faith is a better reading. Yeah, this was one of the weakest parts of the ultimate cut. It was still better than the theatrical, for sure, but ultimate really goes overboard with "Palpatine's behind it all!" in a few places that were much better left ambiguous. Off the top of my head: * Lead-lined chair (Superman still says "...because I wasn't looking." so who cares) * Paid crisis actor reveal * Lexcorp goons deliberately murdering everyone Batman brands Just leave it out! Augh!
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Schwarzwald posted:There is definitely a current in fandom thought where being evil is simply playing the heel while being seen as embarrassing/cringe/awkward-but-not-in-the-cute-way is unforgivable, and Batman is often embarrassed in BvS. I love his angry drive to the batcave after Superman hosed up the batmobile, Batman's such a dork. I think Beavis is also a really good sequel to MoS. People didn't like the Pa Kent from that, but what Luthor and Bats do in BvS shows what he was worried about, imagine teenage Clark trying to deal with that.
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Roth posted:I once talked to someone who was mad at the very idea of an allegory for 9/11 and considered it disrespectful to the people who died in 9/11 so I think people actually were too stupid for BvS. There was also the guy angry that the opening dream sequence didn’t follow the laws of physics, because even dreams needed to have some basis in reality.
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I've seen waaay too many people argue that Superman should have tried to reason with Zod or take the fight away from the city or gouge Zods eyes out or any number of alternatives to The Snap
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He's literally begging Zod to stop while Zod tries to murder the nearest civilians.
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My problem with Batman V Superman is the same I have with all Synder's movies, I just hate how his cinematography looks.
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Escobarbarian posted:Some cool posts up in here! I definitely get what you all are going for now. I still don’t agree that it’s why the movie was considered a failure and I will always have major qualms with that way of thinking but I can happily admit the comparisons and metaphors go deeper than I was aware of. I think you are focusing too much on the “too layered for you simpletons” aspect of the outrageous quote. We all agree that art being complex or making a bunch of historical/political/etc. references doesn’t make it inherently good nor worthy of admiration, as what matters is how cohesively it comes together, in this case as a deconstruction of two massive IPs. The central conflict of the film, the hyped-up fight night built right into the title, is predicated on Superman’s radical love for a woman trafficking criminal. In this aspect, the theatrical cut is even more extreme than the Ultimate Cut in following Freud’s ethical critique of the “Love thy Neighbor” injunction, in eliding any attempts to humanize the totally noxious individual. This kind of thing is what Snyder is referring to when he ponders whether his approach was a possible reason for the polarized reception (Note here that he’s not talking about box office success). As far as the Dark Knight trilogy goes, how challenging were they to the superhero/Batman mythology really? I’d say the only one that really does so is the third one which is, coincidentally, the one with the most mixed reception, with people wondering whether its too fascist, etc.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:He's literally begging Zod to stop while Zod tries to murder the nearest civilians. A good one i saw was "just turn his head away" like why do you think the eye lasers are slowwwwwly inching their way towards that family, you think Zod is just being coy?
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2house2fly posted:A good one i saw was "just turn his head away" like why do you think the eye lasers are slowwwwwly inching their way towards that family, you think Zod is just being coy? He does turn zods head away tho
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they call it the zod-box 360 because you turn it 360 degrees and walk away
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Zod of Duty
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Lol remember the big time YouTuber and SA goon who tried to argue the family got fried anyway and just doubled down every time someone corrected him
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YggdrasilTM posted:My problem with Batman V Superman is the same I have with all Synder's movies, I just hate how his cinematography looks. Man of Steel looks nothing like his other movies, though.
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MacheteZombie posted:He does turn zods head away tho Lol
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I know how to fix the scene for everyone who hates it 
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CelticPredator posted:I know how to fix the scene for everyone who hates it 
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https://twitter.com/NebsGoodTakes/status/1656346274986340354?s=20 The CW clearly tipping a hat to the big man.
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CelticPredator posted:I know how to fix the scene for everyone who hates it Please add this to the OP. Thanks!
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Necrothatcher posted:https://twitter.com/NebsGoodTakes/status/1656346274986340354?s=20 Flew all the way to Gothams abandoned warehouse district
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Necrothatcher posted:https://twitter.com/NebsGoodTakes/status/1656346274986340354?s=20 lol that headbutt at 0:39.
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Escobarbarian posted:the movie’s lack of success in this way [citation needed] Escobarbarian posted:the movie was considered a failure [By who?]
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Sure. All Snyder had to do was have Supes say "I need to stay on Zod so he can't hurt civilians and figure out how to get him out of the city!" and then do everything else exactly the same. Sure the movie is worse for it but at least some portion of the audience doesn't think Superman is secretly thinking "I don't care. I love causing destruction. I find the way this is going very good, to me personally."
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McSpanky posted:[citation needed] It is worth remembering that, despite whatever drama from whichever fans, Beevis pulled around 870 million at the box office and was the top selling bluray for a goodly while (iirc). That's more than either of the first two GotG films or any of the Thor movies. "People on twitter were obnoxious about it" is not an indicator of success or failure! (As DC would come to learn to their peril...) Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 19:26 on May 11, 2023 |
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MacheteZombie posted:Flew all the way to Gothams abandoned warehouse district One of Gotham's more desirable areas
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I do like that about BvS. Gotham appears to be full of run down and abandoned areas despite years of him punching criminals.
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CelticPredator posted:I know how to fix the scene for everyone who hates it Well, this thread took a turn.
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Right before he tries to block Zods heat vision by covering his eys but then when he throws his now wounded hands back in pain after they get burnt a bystander exclaims "Jesus Christ!"
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Sure. All Snyder had to do was have Supes say "I need to stay on Zod so he can't hurt civilians and figure out how to get him out of the city!" and then do everything else exactly the same. Audiences need a shonen peanut gallery to exclaim stuff like 'he's trying to avoid damaging the city but Zod so powerful he can barely keep up!' apparently
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No Dignity posted:Audiences need a shonen peanut gallery to exclaim stuff like 'he's trying to avoid damaging the city but Zod so powerful he can barely keep up!' apparently Also known as the Christopher Nolan style of story-telling. EDIT: Okay poster Alexander Hamilton beat me to this dumb joke.
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