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Look don't get me wrong. I liked Hienlien growing up. Then I read about Lazarus Long and space incest with your female clone twins that you helped raise and I realized my folly. I'm just saying that it should be judged on a case by case basis as to whether an author is inserting thier own tendencies into their work. My God what a terrible snipe
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Book 1 is the only good book, Paul is more or less a shinji after that; a shameful failure and not my enperor
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Did the all woman military force that wouldnt turn on civilians because women are naturally tame and calm get mentioned? Those women were also used in long term breeding projects, in case you were wondering Although really that shouldn't be a shocker because half of Dune is eugenics related. The first book is about the pay off of a millenia long breeding project to bring about the messiah set up by a shadowy cabal of women who rule behind the scenes. Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 15:27 on May 18, 2023 |
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May 18, 2023 15:23
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I like the part where the gayes are anti-natalist death commandos
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May 18, 2023 15:30
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legendary sci fi is often made by insane right wingers, tormented by vivid dreams. as their dreams deplete they fill the gaps with other night thoughts in increasing measure.
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did the original novels ever explain how nobody abused lasguns vs. shields before the later books?
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May 18, 2023 18:32
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i think the latest movie kind of solved it by never introducing lasguns.
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i have vague memories of DUNCAN IDAHO using a lasgun at great effect against a huge shielded force
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Nosfereefer posted:did the original novels ever explain how nobody abused lasguns vs. shields before the later books? yes the first book says it causes a nuclear explosion. even so, the harkonnens, counting on the shields being deactivated, moved in conventional artillery and shelled the city
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Nosfereefer posted:i think the latest movie kind of solved it by never introducing lasguns. there are several lasguns in the new movie
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okay, so why even bother with conventional infantry at all? a single misfire can turn the entire battle into a nuclear explosion.
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tens of thousands of sardukars could be completely destroyed by some gunner making a mistake
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Nosfereefer posted:okay, so why even bother with conventional infantry at all? a single misfire can turn the entire battle into a nuclear explosion. because a lasbeam touching a shield will create an unpredictable gigantic explosion (not actually nuclear) which can originate on either end of the beam. You might gently caress up your own people Also nukes are strictly prohibited against humans, so if you trigger a laser on shield explosion that people think was you using a nuke then everyone in the imperium turns on you and youre hosed learn the lore IDIOTS
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May 18, 2023 19:15
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~atomics~
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paul_soccer12 posted:because a lasbeam touching a shield will create an unpredictable gigantic explosion (not actually nuclear) which can originate on either end of the beam. You might gently caress up your own people but paul specifically used atomics to break down the worm wall. are we meant to believe that the galactic families somehow know immediately when and where a genuine atomic bomb has been used fast enough to act on it? he didn't use them directly so then it's okay? i call shenanigans
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i think the prohibition on atomics was specifically their use against people.
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paul_soccer12 posted:because a lasbeam touching a shield will create an unpredictable gigantic explosion (not actually nuclear) which can originate on either end of the beam. You might gently caress up your own people and yet, this is treated as a work-around regarding atomics. since every single house has a lot of fanatical guys hanging around, why wasn't this a suicide tactic to begin with?
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Nosfereefer posted:but paul specifically used atomics to break down the worm wall. are we meant to believe that the galactic families somehow know immediately when and where a genuine atomic bomb has been used fast enough to act on it? he didn't use them directly so then it's okay? i call shenanigans it wouldn't matter, he was literally staging a coup of the galactic empire and expanding a jihad to bring the houses to heel so they'd be mortal enemies either way
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Nosfereefer posted:but paul specifically used atomics to break down the worm wall. are we meant to believe that the galactic families somehow know immediately when and where a genuine atomic bomb has been used fast enough to act on it? he didn't use them directly so then it's okay? i call shenanigans paul broke the empire who gives a gently caress if what he did was illegal Nosfereefer posted:okay, so why even bother with conventional infantry at all? a single misfire can turn the entire battle into a nuclear explosion. in the book they used artillery
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Nosfereefer posted:he didn't use them directly so then it's okay? i call shenanigans that's literally the argument he uses...
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if you try to call shenanigans on me again iw ill loving kill you
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the great convention forbids the calling of shenanigans
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1. he didnt use the atomics on humans 2. Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:paul broke the empire who gives a gently caress if what he did was illegal hes got the spacing guild and therefore the very existence of the imperium/CHOAM by the balls by that point so no one can say poo poo
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Paul threatened to destroy all spice production which would have completely destroyed the empire and that's why he got to be emperor
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muad'dib ftw
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paul_soccer12 posted:because a lasbeam touching a shield will create an unpredictable gigantic explosion (not actually nuclear) which can originate on either end of the beam. You might gently caress up your own people i literally read lasbeam as lesbian Hatebag posted:Paul threatened to destroy all spice production which would have completely destroyed the empire and that's why he got to be emperor Escobar should have used his strat
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Milo and POTUS posted:i literally read lasbeam as lesbian a lesbian gets lasbeamed in Heretics
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Colonel Cancer posted:Book 1 is the only good book, Paul is more or less a shinji after that; a shameful failure and not my enperor Typical anime enjoyed wrong opinion.
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doesn't dune go into the nitty gritty on exactly what a lasgun-shield interaction can do, what the space law is with nuking people, and why it's both polite and practical to just not mix lasguns and shields? it's written in there somewhere. maybe one of the later books. also i think it was something that got tried a lot before the era dune is set in? it was one of the more explained things iirc
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paul_soccer12 posted:if you try to call shenanigans on me again iw ill loving kill you 
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If they were real smart theyd just build armor out of lightsabers and call it a day
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Also space desert with fat worms and uncomfortable racial stereotypes? Stealing from star wars much huh
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Cuttlefush posted:doesn't dune go into the nitty gritty on exactly what a lasgun-shield interaction can do, what the space law is with nuking people, and why it's both polite and practical to just not mix lasguns and shields? it's written in there somewhere. maybe one of the later books. also i think it was something that got tried a lot before the era dune is set in? it was one of the more explained things iirc yes but it ignores the existence of 'terrorists' or just non-aligned fighters in general that don't care about the Landsraad confusing the laser/shield interaction as the use of a nuke or where the explosion along the beam actually occurs. Just get as close to that shield as possible and then hope for the best. If you get blown up along with the enemy so be it. The actual interaction was stated as 'subatomic fusion' but doesn't elaborate on if this is more violent than a normal nuke or not
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Regarde Aduck posted:yes but it ignores the existence of 'terrorists' or just non-aligned fighters in general that don't care about the Landsraad confusing the laser/shield interaction as the use of a nuke or where the explosion along the beam actually occurs. Just get as close to that shield as possible and then hope for the best. If you get blown up along with the enemy so be it. yeah the whole potential weapons of mass destruction everywhere in a sprawling, weirdly industrialized feudal society where spice is oil thing is, well, some sci-fi poo poo. also yeah the whole can't tell nuke from laser-shield interaction thing doesn't really follow the in universe rules since atomic weapons are normal atompic weapons (1965) and the other thing is magic physics. frank forgot about chemistry. the spice/oil thing holds up a lot better because it's just magic, which is fine. doesn't paul consider the lasgun-shield poo poo in the first book? I though that came up as a "hey could we try" kinda thing. maybe not. it's been long enough since i've read dune i'm probably working on very goofy memories of it that aren't accurate Cuttlefush has issued a correction as of 04:12 on May 19, 2023 |
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the butlerian jihad had some good ideas imo we should ban normal people from using the internet and only have a select caste of highly trained type of guy to act as the inbetween the teeming masses and the internet
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Popy posted:the butlerian jihad had some good ideas imo chatgpt is mentats for all
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Popy posted:the butlerian jihad had some good ideas imo you really want to unleash posters on an unsuspecting public?
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Colonel Cancer posted:If they were real smart theyd just build armor out of lightsabers and call it a day They do this in Gundam which also features a butlerian jihad in two series.
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build armor out of little exploding bricks
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How about.... womentats?
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