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Thanks for opening this thread. I think it's an important topic that reaches all levels of sports past, present, and future. Anyway, do you think the NHL rigged the Bedard lottery for sports gambling reasons? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
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May 9, 2023 22:47
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Pungry posted:Thanks for opening this thread. I think it's an important topic that reaches all levels of sports past, present, and future. Anyway, do you think the NHL rigged the Bedard lottery for sports gambling reasons? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen. I don't think they rigged it for sports gambling reasons. But I absolutely would not be surprised if there's been rigging at some point. There's just so much money at stake w/r/t franchise valuations
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May 10, 2023 04:07
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Are you telling me I shouldn't listen to washed up athlete's get rich quick financial advice?
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May 10, 2023 12:04
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Pulling this over from the college baseball thread, obviously gambling is a much wider societal concern than just college sports but universities absolutely 100% brought this on themselves because they view their students as debt cows to be milked by whatever corporation comes calling, even one with the obvious problems of the gaming industry. elentar posted:Archived version of a relevant and damning NYT article: https://archive.is/2022.11.27-153426/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/business/caesars-sports-betting-universities-colleges.html
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May 10, 2023 14:26
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elentar posted:Pulling this over from the college baseball thread, obviously gambling is a much wider societal concern than just college sports but universities absolutely 100% brought this on themselves because they view their students as debt cows to be milked by whatever corporation comes calling, even one with the obvious problems of the gaming industry. incredibly loving grim but not really tremendously different than the student loan crisis. Was bout to post "how could colleges just let kids get surrounded by that much aggressive marketing that'll get them in debt" and realized welp, I'm a moron
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May 10, 2023 21:40
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:incredibly loving grim but not really tremendously different than the student loan crisis. Was bout to post "how could colleges just let kids get surrounded by that much aggressive marketing that'll get them in debt" and realized welp, I'm a moron so this has slowed a little over the covid years but it will rocket off again soon: most universities actually build the estimated capacity for their student body *and future student bodies* for increased debt into their applications for financing for construction and other capital projects (which are also justified by partnerships with just the worst families, ie the Sacklers or Kochs or whoever) to underline that: universities crunched the numbers and found not just that it was more profitable to suspend their students in lifelong debt, but so much more profitable that they had no hesitation about suppressing any doubts about the process. whole lotta universities are a bleak place rn
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May 10, 2023 23:59
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Exciting development in the MLS where a midfielder for the Colorado Rapids has been removed from the team and rumors abound are that he was involved in match fixing. My main question is: does a gambling scandal make the MLS a more legitimate league in the eyes of uninterested European soccer fans? https://sports.yahoo.com/rapids-rep...10903931.html?l
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May 11, 2023 15:50
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Pungry posted:Exciting development in the MLS where a midfielder for the Colorado Rapids has been removed from the team and rumors abound are that he was involved in match fixing. My main question is: does a gambling scandal make the MLS a more legitimate league in the eyes of uninterested European soccer fans? quote:Alves is reportedly under investigation in Brazil as part of a match manipulation scandal, according to Brazilian newspaper O Globo. Alves is accused of taking money from match-fixers to perform specific actions during games. Alves was reportedly paid roughly $12,000 to receive a yellow card during a game against the L.A. Galaxy last September. oof, seemingly innocuous. but probably will end that guy's career
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May 11, 2023 16:34
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Pungry posted:Thanks for opening this thread. I think it's an important topic that reaches all levels of sports past, present, and future. Anyway, do you think the NHL rigged the Bedard lottery for sports gambling reasons? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen. Bettman's Law states that every time the NHL does something dumb and stupid, the worst consequence will happen naturally for maximum embarrassment. Chicago shouldn't have a pick, so they win. There's a crease rule that everyone hates, Brett Hull scores a Cup winner in the crease.
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May 12, 2023 04:15
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:oof, seemingly innocuous. but probably will end that guy's career
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May 12, 2023 23:05
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AsInHowe posted:Bettman's Law states that every time the NHL does something dumb and stupid, the worst consequence will happen naturally for maximum embarrassment. Chicago shouldn't have a pick, so they win. There's a crease rule that everyone hates, Brett Hull scores a Cup winner in the crease. https://twitter.com/doctorbguy/status/1657188081861115904
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May 13, 2023 01:58
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I think the government should consider putting the toothpaste back in the tube when it comes to gambling.
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May 15, 2023 01:01
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:I don't think they rigged it for sports gambling reasons. But I absolutely would not be surprised if there's been rigging at some point. There's just so much money at stake w/r/t franchise valuations I wouldn't put it past Bettman, but if the owners are all money-grubbing bastards, I would think that the ones who weren't awarded the prospect that could potentially add hundreds of millions of dollars to their own team's valuation would be pretty pissed off .
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May 15, 2023 02:52
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tinstaach posted:I wouldn't put it past Bettman, but if the owners are all money-grubbing bastards, I would think that the ones who weren't awarded the prospect that could potentially add hundreds of millions of dollars to their own team's valuation would be pretty pissed off . True, he’s worth a ton more for whoever got him, but league wide him being in Chicago versus Vancouver or Ottawa or something probably adds way more money to all of their valuations. Hundreds of millions to Chicago, tens to everyone else
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May 15, 2023 03:35
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Fanatics acquiring PointsBet US for $150 million drat, if the state of sports gambling isn’t bad enough, loving Fanatics getting involved is real gross. All companies are evil but that company in particular seems algorithmically designed to suck all the joy it can out of sports.
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May 15, 2023 03:38
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:I don't think they rigged it for sports gambling reasons. But I absolutely would not be surprised if there's been rigging at some point. There's just so much money at stake w/r/t franchise valuations
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May 15, 2023 21:58
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Yes, in theory because they were near bankruptcy and threatening to move and the NHL had no desire to see that happen Gary Bettman is such a massive incompetent that there's no way they pulled it off though
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May 16, 2023 00:25
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Scandal from across the pondquote:Brentford striker Ivan Toney has been suspended from all football-related activities for eight months, the English Football Association (FA) announced Wednesday.
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May 17, 2023 18:34
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First Came the Sports Betting Boom. Now Comes the Backlash.quote:Ohio’s casino control commission has imposed more than $800,000 in fines on sports betting companies since January. The violators included DraftKings, one of the most prominent betting platforms, which acknowledged it illegally claimed bettors could make “free” bets and mistakenly mailed out 2,582 advertisements to state residents under the legal betting age of 21, urging them to download its mobile app and claim $200 in free bets. sports fans being racist is nothing new, but drat the underage advertising and accepting credit cards is real grisly
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May 18, 2023 01:33
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lol even Texas bans buying lotto tickets with credit cards, good lord Australia
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May 18, 2023 03:20
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I feel like a ban on advertising and mobile betting would go a long way to making sports betting more palatable. Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle, I know. Casinos 100% do not give a poo poo about responsible gambling, but the barrier of simply going to one (usually not in a convenient location is most areas) probably cuts down on a lot of degeneracy. Having one old and disinterested security guard at the entrance is surprisingly effective at reducing underage gambling as well.
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May 18, 2023 16:30
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if there's no advertising allowed for it, I would imagine it would get regulated heavily pretty quickly with the support of the leagues. the only reason they're in support of it is because of those ad dollars I would think.
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May 18, 2023 18:58
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Perhaps in 10 years when half the country has a crippling gambling addiction we can think about maybe limiting the advertising for sports betting. This really feels like it's going to be an epidemic in a decade.
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May 18, 2023 19:00
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If there's an industry that makes a ton of money off something, I don't have high hopes for the American government to regulate it. I'm honestly surprised casino gambling is as regulated as it is. Another American problem we can look forward to down the line is someone shooting a professional athlete over a lost bet.
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May 18, 2023 19:23
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elentar posted:Pulling this over from the college baseball thread, obviously gambling is a much wider societal concern than just college sports but universities absolutely 100% brought this on themselves because they view their students as debt cows to be milked by whatever corporation comes calling, even one with the obvious problems of the gaming industry. Gambling is a scourge. it can also be harmless fun and entertainment, but that worked better when it was siloed off in containment areas. now it's broken free like hannibal lecter and is convincing states to change their laws and eating peoples faces
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May 18, 2023 20:25
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:First Came the Sports Betting Boom. Now Comes the Backlash.
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May 20, 2023 10:54
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this post is brought to you by draft kings and chuck, over under of 22.5 points made in this thread, what are you going with kenny, this is a robust topic with legs and is going to absolutely dominate the conversation. with a sticky, this is an easy over for me
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May 21, 2023 21:13
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NFL reportedly investigating 'second wave' of player gambling policy violations The ESPN article ESPN posted:In the wake of five players being suspended in April, the NFL is investigating a second wave of potential violations of its gambling policy, multiple sources told ESPN. The uptick in gambling-related issues comes five years after a landmark ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court. "lol"
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May 23, 2023 16:18
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Expect to see more of this, legitimate or notquote:Brentford striker Ivan Toney has been diagnosed as a gambling addict, which led him to bet on his own clubs to lose matches, according to the English Football Association's (FA) reasons for handing him an eight-month ban. I am not saying Ivan Toney is lying, I believe him and the psychiatrist fully, but I expect this to come up a lot with people who get caught.
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May 26, 2023 17:11
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dang that penalty is a slap on the wrist. I mean, gambling is obviously addictive so I don't doubt it but the penalty needs to be multiple year ban just the same
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May 26, 2023 19:01
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I assume the ban itself doesn't matter all that much as he's probably blacklisted from the league for life.
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May 26, 2023 19:38
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You would assume the FA would have Questions for any team that subsequently signed him, yes
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May 26, 2023 20:01
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fast cars loose anus posted:I am not saying Ivan Toney is lying, I believe him and the psychiatrist fully, but I expect this to come up a lot with people who get caught. I think people will use that as an excuse but also gambling addiction i do believe is a lot more pervasive than we're let on to believe. There's a very interesting book called Addiction By Design that i'm slowly making my way through and it focuses primarily on how the casinos have made things more addicting than ever. It's a few years old but the lessons surely jump over into sports gambling, the increase in prop betting with online betting, and the entire video gameification of the gambling sector in general.
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May 26, 2023 20:03
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soggybagel posted:I think people will use that as an excuse but also gambling addiction i do believe is a lot more pervasive than we're let on to believe. There's a very interesting book called Addiction By Design that i'm slowly making my way through and it focuses primarily on how the casinos have made things more addicting than ever. It's a few years old but the lessons surely jump over into sports gambling, the increase in prop betting with online betting, and the entire video gameification of the gambling sector in general. It’s in everything. Loot boxes and all that poo poo in gaming comes from behavioural science. We just have come to the point where our political and social institutions are rotten enough now to loosen restrictions on very predatory behaviour. It’s quite dangerous and sad.
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May 26, 2023 23:09
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Popete posted:I assume the ban itself doesn't matter all that much as he's probably blacklisted from the league for life. So, two things to remember with the world of soccer:
I don't think he'll be blacklisted from playing football in England, at least not initially. At least as of March, he was considered a 40-50 million GBP valuation for transfer fee, which is not nothing (even in the cash-rich and inflated-price Premier League). He's too valuable to be thrown by the wayside immediately, and the world of soccer is too big for somebody to not take a chance on him -- even if his name is mud in England, somebody will float a transfer to Spain, Germany, France, Italy, etc. as a potential.
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May 27, 2023 00:36
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harperdc posted:So, two things to remember with the world of soccer: Another reason for it was that leagues like Major League Baseball didn't want teams just selling their best players to other teams in order to tank for the rest of the season, which is why a bunch of player sales by the A's in the 70s were overturned. I'm pretty sure if whoever was the MLB commissioner back then could see what teams do now anyway his head would explode.
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May 27, 2023 02:34
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my morning jackass posted:It’s in everything. Loot boxes and all that poo poo in gaming comes from behavioural science. We just have come to the point where our political and social institutions are rotten enough now to loosen restrictions on very predatory behaviour. It’s quite dangerous and sad. Right. It's sad because I thankfully do not have a gambling addiction or whatever weird neurons that fire in my brain don't fire off that I need to keep gambling. I can stop. But not everyone can and there is an army of behavioral scientists on the side of the gaming and gambling companies and organizations that have us loving figured out. So the sad part too is I like gambling but I also recognize that being able to gamble from your phone means a lot of new problem gamblers could emerge. The thing I was reading and hearing too is really sports gambling isn't where the REALLY REAL money is. The gambling companies by and large are actually losing money in the short term because of all the lobbying and the very generous introductory deals they offer and have offered the past couple years. The real goal is to get gambling legalized in all 50 states and then move to push digital casino gambling. So we're talking slots and things in the comfort of your own home. Although a slight little digression on sports gambling is that as you probably all know prop bets and bizarro long shot parlays are "loser" bets but they make a lot of money for the companies. As the apps get better the whole idea is that they just drill down to play by play prop bets because margins on those are insane. They want gamblers to be betting that like, "on this next drive the Patriots will run the ball over under 3 and a half times" or whatever. It's really loving scary and there have been a number of stories on things like HBO's Real Sports that show how it destroys people's lives. WIthout a doubt the grossest thing as of late is Universities signing deals with betting companies allowing them to have big presences on campus. The whole situation is obviously hosed up and I'm part of the problem.
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May 27, 2023 07:39
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Crazy Ted posted:If I may be just a bit pedantic here, technically contracts and draft spots (NBA) in the American leagues are saleable assets but the owners in the leagues severely limit how much money they can be sold for as another way to limit spending. Very true - even today there are occasionally cash deals that are effectively the same as European transfers. I guess the tl;dr on my point was that the world of soccer is big enough that he probably wouldn't be blackballed the same way as an NBA/NFL player thanks to how many leagues are available and the level of performance Toney had been at before all this broke and the details were confirmed.
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soggybagel posted:The thing I was reading and hearing too is really sports gambling isn't where the REALLY REAL money is. Correct - in fact sportsbooks are the literal only gambling-related things in Vegas that ever lose money, and only rarely then Sports Illustrated has new deets on the Bama thing: quote:One man’s gambling activity is the connective thread between simultaneous NCAA investigations of baseball teams at Alabama and Cincinnati and the subsequent firing of three coaches, Sports Illustrated has learned.
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