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Logically speaking one must consider TAS to be akin to TOS, as it was essentially a continuation of the Enterprise's mission in the original figure. Also, it means that Kirk got Satan off the hook.
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having previously met and befriended satan is why kirk was immediately skeptical of god in st5
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“what does god need w a starship?? another way to oppress lucifer, who is my dear friend????”
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In that episode IIRC Lucifer was a cool guy who befriended and helped them, and the rest of the people in that planet were massive a-holes.
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bull3964 posted:Remember how Into Darkness had magical necromancing blood that apparently only Khan had despite the fact that they had a whole ship full of frozen augments that should have all the same blood? It's not directly mentioned, but I assumed it wasn't terribly easy to get blood from a cryogenically frozen person fast enough to save Kirk's life. If I recall this specific plot point about the torpedoes , Marcus provided him with all the torpedoes, but wasn't aware that Khan was using the torpedoes to smuggle out the other Augments. It makes sense that Marcus thinks he's giving Kirk an overwhelming amount of destructive power because that would be perfect for goading the Klingons into an all-out war. V-Men fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Apr 12, 2024 20:07
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Timby posted:Really? Into Darkness has a planet terraforming device? It has Khan wanting to take revenge on Kirk? It has Kirk as an Academy instructor, dreading his advancing age, and itching to get back to hopping galaxies instead of being an administrator / teacher? There's a ticking time bomb doomsday device? Yes, there is a ticking time bomb and yes, Khan hates Kirk (for no reason, as they meet for the first time in the movie). That's my point: none of the nuance, none of the intertwining themes that made TWoK a success; just ticking off elements on a list: x Khan x Doomsday device x Someone has to die (and be revived, because why not rip off Search for Spock as well?) x "Khaaaaaaaaan!" x Carol Marcus, but this time in a bikini! (because why not titillate the audience?). Utterly garbage move; the Trek cinematic equivalent to Star Wars IX: Somehow, Palpatine Returns. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1778860845985894798 Too bad about LDS but 5 seasons is way more than I woulda expected. Five seasons seems to be the max for ST shows these days.
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I like the part where spock and kahn fall off of one space garbage truck and land on a second, identical, one.
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the augments had resurrection blood and lived in torpedoes to echo the genesis device: a bomb that brings life to the lifeless
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That really sucks about LDS but it's more than I hoped for
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Does Lower Decks get abbreviated to LDS? I think it's more fitting that the poor ensigns don't even get a third letter
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Yeah, every trek show has to have a TLA, it's tradition. And LDS is the actual show abbreviation production uses, apparently. Plus it's a tribute to TVH. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:In the sexist as gently caress 80s, Carol Marcus: middle aged scientist, who does advanced scientific work and wears clothes like a person.
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V-Men posted:If I recall this specific plot point about the torpedoes , Marcus provided him with all the torpedoes, but wasn't aware that Khan was using the torpedoes to smuggle out the other Augments. It makes sense that Marcus thinks he's giving Kirk an overwhelming amount of destructive power because that would be perfect for goading the Klingons into an all-out war. Marcus knew. Marcus discovering the plot was the whole reason Khan fled to Kronos. Let's assume Marcus didn't know. Even then it's dumb as hell because his grand plan is to outfit the Enterprise with experimental torpedoes BUILT BY THE GUY THAT JUST DOUBLE CROSSED HIM. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Apr 12, 2024 21:35
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bull3964 posted:Marcus knew. Marcus discovering the plot was the whole reason Khan fled to Kronos. Marcus knew something was up but didn't know they were in the torpedoes. Khan went to Kronos to force Marcus to load the torpedoes onto a ship to threaten him. I think maybe?
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MikeJF posted:Marcus knew something was up but didn't know they were in the torpedoes. Khan went to Kronos to force Marcus to load the torpedoes onto a ship to threaten him. I think maybe? Marcus knew. quote:KIRK: And what exactly would you like me to do with the rest of his crew, sir? Fire them at the Klingons? End seventy two lives? Start a war in the process?
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Oh yeah, that's right, he gave the torpedoes to kirk as a way of disposing of the 72 followers.
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MikeJF posted:Oh yeah, that's right, he gave the torpedoes to kirk as a way of disposing of the 72 followers. Exactly. Marcus' plan was to kill two birds with one stone: Eliminate Khan and his followers, and start the war with the Klingons that he so desperately craved.
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Into Darkness is the movie where the Klingons have really trendy forehead ridge piercings right?
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Piercings by K'laire's
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counterfeitsaint posted:Into Darkness is the movie where the Klingons have really trendy forehead ridge piercings right? It's also the movie in which the Klingon Birds of Prey emit TIE Fighter engine roar noises.
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Timby posted:It's also the movie in which the Klingon Birds of Prey emit TIE Fighter engine roar noises. To be fair it's not the first Star Trek movie where Birds of Prey have used famous star wars sound effects. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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MikeJF posted:To be fair it's not the first Star Trek movie where Birds of Prey have used famous star wars sound effects. Yeah, doesn't the BoP in The Final Frontier emit X-Wing laser sounds when it shoots the probe at the beginning?
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No, the probe screams when Kor shoots at it. One of the most bizarre moments of that movie.
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Timby posted:Exactly. Marcus' plan was to kill two birds with one stone: Eliminate Khan and his followers, and start the war with the Klingons that he so desperately craved. Except for the fact that Carol Marcus states that Khan removed the fuel container from the torpedo to fit the cryo components. The whole POINT of these advanced torpedoes were that they were long range and that Kirk thought the Enterprise could attack Khan at a standoff distance. That was the whole reason why Admiral Robocop had to sabotage the warp drive, so that the Enterprise was slowed in escape. What is a long range torpedo without fuel? I think Khan was quite safe from torpedoes that wouldn't be able to propel themselves to the target.
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Nonetheless, it was still dumb as poo poo
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why was data’s day not called a wedding and a devoras
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bull3964 posted:What is a long range torpedo without fuel? I think Khan was quite safe from torpedoes that wouldn't be able to propel themselves to the target. Hey, if Khanspawn blood can bring people back from the dead, for all we know it can also serve as a highly efficient torpedo fuel.
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Timby posted:Yeah, doesn't the BoP in The Final Frontier emit X-Wing laser sounds when it shoots the probe at the beginning? F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:No, the probe screams when Kor shoots at it. One of the most bizarre moments of that movie. Both!
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Nonetheless, it was still dumb as poo poo Classic Star Trek: Nonetheless, it was still dumb as poo poo
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Hey, if Khanspawn blood can bring people back from the dead, for all we know it can also serve as a highly efficient torpedo fuel. It also gets out stubborn grease stains and makes a delicious alternative to yamok sauce.
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I don't mind that an episode like The Measure of a Man isn't logically consistent with the universe it's set in because the point of the episode is to explore how and why those types of rights are established. It would be far less satisfying to just be told that Data is sapient and has full rights than it is to actually see what those arguments might look like, because ultimately Star Trek is an exploration of values and not just a series of historical events being broadcast to us.
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It's just weird that it's Starfleet deciding it can rule on if someone is property or a person when that's something that you would think should go to the highest court in the land and involve several experts in the fields of psychology, robotics, AI, and law.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:It's just weird that it's Starfleet deciding it can rule on if someone is property or a person when that's something that you would think should go to the highest court in the land and involve several experts in the fields of psychology, robotics, AI, and law. Sure, but at the end of the day it isn't a documentary, it's a set up to watch our TV friends do Acting
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Oh yeah, it's just normally they get around the inconsistency by making it an alien court. It's the standard trek way.
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bull3964 posted:Marcus knew. Marcus discovering the plot was the whole reason Khan fled to Kronos. Oh yeah you're right. It still sort of works. STID sort of works but it takes so much work to extrapolate a semi-sensical plot and theme that it is clear that Orci, Cuse, and Lindelhof didn't have those ideas in their head at all.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:It's just weird that it's Starfleet deciding it can rule on if someone is property or a person when that's something that you would think should go to the highest court in the land and involve several experts in the fields of psychology, robotics, AI, and law. This is an edge case where the Federation working like Space America is just fine because the audience is fully willing to accept a question of fundamental rights being decided by single case precedent and that just being accepted for decades before anyone gets around to definitively settling the issue with a formal amendment/law.
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McSpanky posted:This is an edge case where the Federation working like Space America is just fine because the audience is fully willing to accept a question of fundamental rights being decided by single case precedent and that just being accepted for decades before anyone gets around to definitively settling the issue with a formal amendment/law. A 300 year-old precedent. I'm surprised she didn't rule that androids counted as 3/5ths of a person.
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McSpanky posted:This is an edge case where the Federation working like Space America is just fine because the audience is fully willing to accept a question of fundamental rights being decided by single case precedent and that just being accepted for decades before anyone gets around to definitively settling the issue with a formal amendment/law. At least we've got the fact that they completely forgot there was a ruling at all and went full slaver mode a few decades later.
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counterfeitsaint posted:At least we've got the fact that they completely forgot there was a ruling at all and went full slaver mode a few decades later. Just like the US!
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