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The really stupid thing is that tomatoes are a one year plant. Like, it goes from seed to big plant within a few months and then dies in the autumn and you have to start over. Actually a pretty good metaphor for what the marquee should have been doing. They could at least have done wine or olives, where the plants can be hundreds of years old, but no, go with tomatoes.
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Feldegast42 posted:Section 31 has already seen what you are packing and frankly, we aren't that impressed Counterpoint: if you're getting your idiot son on illegal and experimental smart DNA treatments, you'd probably also do a penis enhancement.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:15
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Quark isn't a Worf, but he is a true believer; the kind of guy who embarrasses everyone because he bought in on the grift 100% while everyone else is mouthing along for the $. He's got his copy of the Art of the Deal enshrined above his bed and screws over his employees so that he can invest as much as possible in timeshares. So he's more of a Martok then?
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Jun 7, 2023 20:01
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Wait, I thought the origin of Morn being chatty was that they went to great lengths making the costume in a way that allowed him to speak, but then his line was cut and it didn't matter. Also, for a character that literally never spoke and basically just hung around in and around a bar, he was quite good, more fleshed out than most of the Disco characters.
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Jun 9, 2023 19:57
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Kibayasu posted:That’s a pretty terrible way of putting it since I don’t think Sisko would have been happy either if it was accurately racist I think it's a great way to point out to the present(ish) day audience how racist that time was, so I think it actually works pretty well the way it is. But there's also ways to write a similar setting that acknowledges the racism but also doesn't glorify it. Maybe Vic could have done some cool things like going to bat for the black employees, throw in a racist heckler who gets thrown out or something. It would probably not have been a great addition to DS9, but in universe it could have been done. Also I'm the guy who didn't like Vic. He just never really connected for me.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:50
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Spock is not a part of Biblical canon; he's a character someone made up almost 60 years ago. Aside from the hot atheist take here, the Bible is actually a good example of how Star Trek should handle canon. There's a ton of inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, and yet people manage to treat it as a whole and even build on it somewhat coherently (or not, but that's fanfiction for you). Basically, the approach should be to reference earlier stories when it makes sense, maybe try to kinda make everything fit together, but also acknowledge that it's all just stories written by lovely people in lovely times, and if the specifics get in the way of your new cool story, please ignore and replace them. Especially if they're 60s misogyni.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:38
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Gaz-L posted:B-b-but the Gorn! I think lower decks should lean into it and have a few different episodes with Gorn, all contradicting TOS, SNW and each other.
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Jun 13, 2023 20:23
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Character canon is a whole other story, at least when you have actual actors like in Trek. If you're gonna reuse a character, please actually use that character and not a different character with the same name and face. It's less bad within a series (Bashir comes to mind) as long as it doesn't directly contradict, but Patrick Stewart in Picard should absolutely have been a different character.
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Jun 13, 2023 20:33
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I think the whole empire power level thing is being influenced by the one race, one planet, one empire (and one climate) thing that sci fi often does. Like, the Klingon empire is all Klingons from Qonos or if you're lucky from some subordinate colony. There are no other species or centres of power, just a monolithic empire. So because the Federation manages to have multiple species and planets (mostly off screen), they must be bigger. It's kinda boring too, having more complex antagonists would really add to the setting, just like the DS9 exploration of Klingon society did. Also the worst example is the religion exhibition in Babylon 5 where the aliens show off their unified planetary religion, and the humans pull out a whole bunch of different Earth religions because of course we are so complex and the aliens would never be.
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Jun 27, 2023 19:42
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FuturePastNow posted:Guess the 90s sitcom: Is Odo wearing clogs? Also he, Kira and to a lesser extent Quark look weird without their makeup.
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Jun 28, 2023 19:54
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holefoods posted:Frakes gets a lot of coin for his appearance as Chef I don't think anyone actually wants that particular episode anywhere tho
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Jul 3, 2023 19:08
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No Dignity posted:He made the only good season of Enterprise, and for that he'll have my eternal respect. What a lovely way to go though I don't think he had much say in that final episode though?
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Jul 11, 2023 16:37
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Enterprise is the Trek I'm least likely to skip the intro on. Y'all need faith of the heart
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Jul 24, 2023 13:49
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Tunicate posted:But we barely see the wormhole full of colonialist alien theocrats???? Okay, this set me spinning. First of, we don't see the Dominion for the first few seasons, so... But knowing that you refer to the prophets: calling them theocrats is so linear. The idea that they just did whatever for fun on Bajor and then DS9 happened is the least fun reading of the prophets being the prophets. What you really should have is the events of DS9 rippling back through time to shape Bajor's past, including the Sisko trying to get the prophets to understand. And that's the Nu-Trek I want: David Lynch or similar, preferably high as gently caress, telling the nonlinear story of Ben in the Wormhole. I look forward to the big oopsie that results in the caste system.
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Jul 24, 2023 20:11
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Beeftweeter posted:gently caress them, star trek owns Counterpoint: Picard and Discovery and Nemesis
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Jul 30, 2023 18:42
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I mean, they have replicators and a bunch of crew that probably lost their primary purpose when they got stranded. Exobotanist you say? That's Delta Quadrant for shuttle builder!
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Aug 1, 2023 11:05
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He didn't really do a genocide in the sense that he just retconned them out of existence, or at least that's what I remember. But I guess there should be some temporal directives for that... Also he's pretty down with being punished, so just copping out saying he's too powerful would cheapen his remorse I think.
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Aug 4, 2023 20:38
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Starsnostars posted:Both the Kilngons and Romulans get called empires but do we ever see an emperor or empress? I can only remember chancellors and praetors. The Roman empire was an empire without an emperor for long times, it's about how much territory they control, not a system of government.
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Aug 13, 2023 10:12
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:It sucks because LeVar Burton is such a great guy, but Geordi had some creepy incel moments over the course of the series. I feel like they tried to appeal to introvert nerds, which is probably good, but we* as a society has done a lot of work since the 90s to realize how creepy behaviour works and what is definitely uncomfortable on the receiving end. Kinda like how TOS tried to do gender stuff, but it's not holding up. *We meaning mostly men, and only the subset of men who are not shitheads.
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Aug 13, 2023 18:51
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davidspackage posted:Old People Acting is an art that has barely seen improvement over the past 30 years. Most actors still do way too much, shaking their head like they have a neural condition, smacking their lips constantly, putting on a deeply strained voice. I'm taking it you didn't watch Picard?
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Sep 4, 2023 07:29
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davidspackage posted:Not much of it, are you referring to Patrick Stewart himself? Cause he's got more of a fragile, quavering voice now. Most actors portaying old people tend to do "I lost my voice yelling at the concert last night, and now I have to push to make any sound come out." Yeah, that was what I was going for, but I hear what you're saying. It's just very jarring with action Picard sounding like a man who is gonna break his hip if anyone looks at it.
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Sep 4, 2023 09:54
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Isn't Klingon society basically in decline because they went from having a nuanced society to focusing everything on combat and honour? I think TNG had a Klingon scientist who just wanted to do some engineering, but she kept having to deal with getting looked down on for not fighting.
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Sep 4, 2023 20:22
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Just make an animated sitcom with Gowron, Garak and Weyun going on adventures. Or rebuilding Cardassia I guess
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Sep 21, 2023 14:10
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zoux posted:It would actually make MORE sense if all the non-honor based professions were done by conquered auxiliaries and menials. You could also do a cool backstory about a peaceful space faring species making first contact with the Klingons and getting the tables turned on them to explain how they got the tech. Hell, weave it together with their slaying the gods myth and you're going somewhere.
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Oct 2, 2023 20:34
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As long as we agree that Dukat was justified in all his actions.
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Oct 6, 2023 10:56
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zoux posted:Oh and that they turn to the camera and say theyre a communist and theyre the exact kind of communist I am. I personally prefer characters that actually do something... But yeah, the main point is right, straight up flawless heroes are boring, good characters have some bad parts and relatable motivations and so forth. But it's also important that the show acknowledges when a character is doing a bad thing, so it doesn't look like a good thing, which is what doesn't always happen with Odo.
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Oct 6, 2023 14:19
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Nessus posted:Hm... if he's a cop, that's bad... but if he's Zizek, that's good, right? A cop impersonating a communist is still a cop.
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Oct 6, 2023 18:54
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Soul Dentist posted:It loving absolutely does It's like pedophilia and Star Trek, there's correlation, but they're distinct concepts. I'm rewatching BSG now, and it's very obvious that it takes a way different approach to good guys than Star Trek. In Trek, the good guys are actually good, and the show portrays them and their actions as good (mostly, but they always come around. With some exceptions in DS9). In BSG, it's dudes trying to be good, and maybe they manage on balance, but they're not justified or redeemed for their bad behaviours. It makes for better drama (Trek sucks at drama for this reason), but it also goes way over the top often. Game of Thrones goes all in and doesn't even have good guys or heroes (except Ned Stark who does nothing and dies), just dudes trying to do stuff for reasons.
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thotsky posted:I dislike the Maquis and most of the Dominion War stuff in DS9. It's very neoliberal in a way that has aged much worse than the liberal utopianism of TNG. I have no trouble imagining that the writers didn't give them a good reason for wanting to stay because that's how they feel about Palestinians or the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh or whatever. The Dominion war is mostly good, but yeah, the actual Dominion and especially the Founders are kinda uninteresting because their motive is just, well, Dominion because of bad species childhood. It mostly works as a backdrop though, to have the Vorta and our heroes and alpha quadrant regulators do character stuff, which is the real meat of the show.
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Oct 7, 2023 19:12
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Khanstant posted:Ice Cream Maker sounds more interesting than the poo poo Star Wars has done post New Hope in its downward spiral. What's up with this ice cream man? Is it normal earth ice cream or do they use different milks or vegetables or nuts or what? Is it Force Ice Scream? Can it kill womptats? It's the Death Star Plans, everyone on screen is involved in stealing those. It's literally a random extra using an ice cream machine as a sci-fi prop who somehow ended up getting a huge impact backstory. Also Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars, Jedi is the beginning of the downward spiral.
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Oct 8, 2023 19:37
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Controversial opinion: Jadzia was only good as a love interest for Worf, so she should
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House of Quark, but it's a sitcom with a love triangle between Grilka, Worf and Quark
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The whole discovery of the wormhole is weird really, since they just basically stumbled upon it after a period with presumably heavy traffic and seemingly a long history of space faring before the occupation too. The hindsight explanation is that it had to be discovered at that time for the Sisko to fulfill his destiny, so the prophets opened it at the right time for that.
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Oct 11, 2023 18:51
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Kesper North posted:I reckon you could make a pretty great 30-minute animated comedy series out of that premise 5 minutes is all I need. Wait, we're still talking about Sub Rosa, right?
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Oct 15, 2023 08:11
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Der Kyhe posted:Star Trek TAS wasn't actually targeted at children, it was sold and marketed as direct continuance, or seasons 4 and 5 of the Star Trek, the series. But now in animation because why not. That is actually wildly ahead of its time in a way, are there any other cartoons for adults before Simpsons that had any kind of mainstream relevance?
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Oct 15, 2023 18:39
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Sash! posted:In retrospect, they should have figured out that Neelix will rapidly run out of knowledge as they get further from his home area, making the core part of the character's origin useless. If they'd actually engaged with the premise of Voyager, this should have happened at the latest halfway through season 1, accounting for engine trouble and assuming Neelix originated in the direction they were going. Same with the Kazon, they should not have been able to follow Voyager at all.
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Oct 19, 2023 06:01
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On my first watch of DS9, I loved Jadzia, but on the second, I realized she was like that awesome D&D character with the cool backstory, which ends up being just another murder hobo in the actual campaign. The concept of Jadzia is good, but so little comes of it. Ezri is kinda the opposite for me, not a particularly interesting backstory, but she actually does interesting stuff, both on her own and with others. I would have preferred that the switch happened way before. And if they wanted a main cast female, why not have Odo change gender? It's not like it couldn't be handwaved, even if the actor didn't need to be replaced.
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Oct 19, 2023 20:44
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In the future, they solved religion (the solution was whatever the writer's religion was)
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Oct 21, 2023 16:09
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Didn't Voyager, or the shuttle, technically leave the galaxy in Threshold?
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Perhaps some sort of gate to go between stars? I agree though, it could be a fun version of what Voyager should have been.
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