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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Come on, they really only use the Volume for engineering (which looks like crap). The bridge, ready room, captain's suspiciously large quarters, corridors, sickbay, transporter room, they're all real sets.

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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Arivia posted:

Oh, crazy. I knew they had something like that for the Mandalorian, but not for the new Star Trek series. Neat but also lovely.

It's usually just replacing the matte painting for whatever planet they're beaming down on. It's a good use of it, in keeping with the vague "we're staging a play" sense that a lot of TOS and TNG/DS9/Voyager have.

They also use it a lot less successfully to replace the mini-sets they built for whenever they hail someone and they show up on the viewscreen. There, it has the effect of "oh, I guess the Bird of Prey's bridge is uh, inside an empty cargo bay now?", it looks bad in that context.




Some of the Star Wars shows (the non-Andor ones) are a lot more ambitious with their use of it, and it looks like absolute poo poo there. After a while you start noticing that actors are always standing very close together inside a void, and all the detail is far in the background.
https://twitter.com/StarWars0nly/status/1692552165145882884

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

FISHMANPET posted:

Also, the mess hall in SNW was shot in the volume. It was a real set they put inside and basically just used it for the star field outside the windows. But for season 2 they built the bar set and intentionally didn't give it any windows, partially for production reasons.

Oh, that's a really cool use of it. Seems logistically kind of a hassle to keep moving all that stuff back in, and it would probably be overkill to have a permanent AR wall as part of a standing set for the mess hall, but this looks great.

https://twitter.com/flying_lobster/status/1526406493993590784

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Arivia posted:

The ring drive ships are Starfleet ships though. That’s the whole point. They’re just Vulcan, not human.

Federation, but not Starfleet. The Vulcan scientist from Lower Decks was transferred to Starfleet from a Vulcan High Command ship because she wasn't logical enough.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Angry Salami posted:

Soulless continuity porn and rehashing TOS storylines?

Well, I guess people like SNW...

I was really surprised on a rewatch by how much Enterprise S4 didn't do it for me. It felt like a breath of fresh air at the time, I suppose because it was actually consistently trying to be Star Trek, but it still was just fundamentally Enterprise. Shran, Phlox, and the Trip/T'Pol relationship can't carry a whole show.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

The flesh and blood counselor is for senior staff. Everybody else is expected to self-therapise using the holodeck.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Tom Tucker posted:

Precisely - fascism has historically always been a minority tolerated for gain by the center and feared by the left and there are moments when you can turn the lens back on it and win by hardening the majority at the top of the slippery slope. Sure it’s a bit Pollyanna-ish but it’s a 42 minute TV show so I allow it.

Except, of course, in the case of Germany, where fascism was tolerated for gain by the KPD, and then the USSR.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

thotsky posted:

I don't really understand why one would even entertain the idea that Starfleet is not a horror show. How many ships were lost at Wolf 359? How many have been lost in some nebula, or found adrift with all crew dead?

40 ships, 11,000 dead. A tiny number!

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

SlothfulCobra posted:

The Federation are absolutely lovely tippers.

Europeans visiting North America often are!

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Paradoxish posted:

Yeah, this is me. Enterprise has bland characters but I still generally like them more in a "I can tolerate their presence on screen" kind of way. I realized in my last attempt to use Voyager as background noise while working that I just straight up can't stand Tom and Harry. Janeway is basically the only consistently entertaining character and only because Kate Mulgrew is some kind of wizard who managed to do a ton of work with wildly inconsistent and sometimes insane writing for her character.

Enterprise is often very bland, but I don't find myself annoyed with it most of the time.

Enterprise at least remembers how its characters feel about each other. Voyager never remembered that Janeway and Tuvok are besties, or that Chakotay and Paris hate each other.

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Jun 9, 2009

Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

Didn't Chakoyay just hate Tom as part of the plan to expose the mole?

It's one of the first things we learn about Tom and Chakotay, in the second scene of the show.

quote:

JANEWAY: Maybe. That ship was under the command of another former Starfleet officer, named Chakotay. I understand you knew him.
PARIS: That's right.
JANEWAY: The two of you didn't get along too well, I'm told.
PARIS: Chakotay will tell you he left Starfleet on principle, to defend his home colony from the Cardassians. I, on the other hand, was forced to resign. He considered me a mercenary, willing to fight for anyone who'd pay my bar bill. Trouble is, he was right. I have no problem helping you track down my friends in the Maquis, Captain. All I need to know from you is what's in it for me.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Eason the Fifth posted:

anyone have that gif of voyager smashing into the giant reset button at the end of Year of Hell?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

dr_rat posted:

Oh god with so many member plants and how many new first contacts there seem to continually be, the diplomatic department(?) of the federation must be good drat massive, drat thing if all put together would have to take up a reasonable sized city worth or people all by itself.

The US State department has 60,000 employees. You could probably populate a planet with the UFP's diplomatic corps.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

FISHMANPET posted:

I think overall I preferred Babylon 5's take on these "so powerful they're gods" aliens which is that mostly they didn't give a poo poo about humans, and when some of them started caring too much about humans and other "young races" it set off an intergalactic war, rather than just being dissuaded by a good Captain Speech and roll credits.

I mean the Shadow War very much does end with a good Captain Speech.

Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Feb 7, 2024

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Railing Kill posted:

Workforce: OH GOD THIS ONE WAS SO loving BORING
you made this one up

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

But again, Enterprise managed to remember that having MACOs on board would cause tensions with the crew, something that Voyager never remembered.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

skasion posted:

Voyager felt the influence of First Contact in a big way. Being chill and even boring like late TNG is out, it’s time to get Sexy and Thrilling! It’s very belated and tame Star Trek version of getting edgy for the 90s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_pCLl6HmdA

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

The crowd in the tent in the First Contact clip is visibly different from the crowd when there's the actual flag raising and (I assume) they're playing the Swedish anthem.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Atlas Hugged posted:

I know These are the Voyages is supposed to be trash.

I'm sure you think you know.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

MikeJF posted:

Or if you really want to be fancy and have money for cameos, have each of the four acts be a different very quick thin framing story flashing back (not holosim) to different times in ENT: one from TOS, one from TNG, one from DS9, one from VOY. Each a little further down the ENT timeline, ending at the founding of the Federation. Then at the end you can pan across all of the future framing bits while we hear Archer's speech about how great the Federation will be.

It owns so much that the final "farewell to this era of Trek" montage has voiceover from Picard, Kirk, and Archer and completely ignores VOY and DS9.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Boxturret posted:

All I know is my 6th grade teacher really liked that ending speech and it was on a mixtape he'd play every now and then.

That was probably the speech from Terra Prime. The speech from TATV doesn't happen: Troi says "I had to memorise this speech in school" and Riker says "yeah yeah and I'm ready to go talk to Picard now" and he goes "Computer, end program" just before Archer starts.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Boxturret posted:

No I mean the final thing where they do the opening speech but it switches between all the captains of the enterprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcphxIcSyjs&t=108s

Huh. Completely impossible to imagine the mind of someone who's super excited to hear Archer say "to boldly go" as a few notes of Archer's Theme play.

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Jun 9, 2009

SlothfulCobra posted:

I thought the implication was that Riker had been larping it up through the entire series of Enterprise, because his character wasn't just some random extra hanging around the NX-01. He was chef, a figure that had been consistently and repeatedly referenced throughout the entire run of the show, who had more character and personality than some members of the bridge crew just through the constant allusions.
Nah, during the episode, Deanna asks Will if he's met Trip yet, and Riker says no, he hasn't been down to engineering. It's clearly a new, short term thing for him.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

WhiteHowler posted:

(If anyone isn't interested in these I can stop posting them; someone had enjoyed her TOS comments though, so I'll keep them up if there's interest.)

I'm delighted every time you post one of these.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

https://twitter.com/STDeltaShift/status/1778089959338934581

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

bull3964 posted:

Oh good, I was worried they were going to come up with a coherent franchise strategy.

https://blog.trekcore.com/2024/04/paramount-officially-adds-star-trek-origin-story-film-to-2025-release-slate/

Because what I really want is a Pike movie without anything that has made SNW special.

It's not a Pike movie, it's a George Kirk movie.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

bull3964 posted:

I'm now kinda worried that if Skydance does buy Paramount, they are going to try to make the JJVerse a thing again and let's not.

ST2009 could have been a neat ALT history Star Trek one shot, but they had to follow it up with the utterly dismal ST:ID which easily ranks below Nemesis as the worst ST move and possibly the worst ST anything put in front of a camera.

Beyond had some good parts, but there's really no point in continuing with this.

Also, is unclear if this is 10 years before the START of ST2009 or 10 years before the main events of ST2009. If it's the latter, it can't be George Kirk. If it's the former, then it's before the timeline split and we really don't need to be muddying the waters further on that.

Decades (plural) before Star Trek 2009.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Wikipedia has average season ratings every year. I plotted the top-rated show for each year here, you can see that the rise of FOX (+WB, UPN) and cable really did splinter the landscape quite a bit in the late-80s and 90s.

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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Ent S2E22 Cogenitor is a really Solid Episode of Star Trek that really lands the combination of "classic Star Trek premise" with "lol these people have no idea what they're doing they're the first humans to do this".

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