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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




My space cabbages!

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




I want a Nausicaan landscape architect to show up on Lower Decks.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




The Voth City Ship is 11km long. That's probably the largest mainly habitable ship. V'ger is a lot bigger (78km long) but not habitable.

Earth Spacedock is 5.7km tall, while Starbase 75 is visibly identical but upscaled so the Enterprise-D can fit inside, so it's more like 13km tall.

No idea how large Probert Station (the new Spacedock from Picard) is.

Starbase Yorktown from Star Trek Beyond, in the Kelvin universe, was a pressurized transparent sphere of air about 30-40 km across with cities on arms snaking through the inside, so it'd be bigger than any of the above.

The Borg Unicomplex isn't solid but it's a big mesh of structures that probably stretches across hundreds of kilometres of space.

And of course then there's the Dyson Sphere which is trillions of times larger than anything else and would have the internal surface area of ~ a hundred million Earths or so.

Edit: Oh, and species 10-C from Discovery built three ringworlds around their star, so that's smaller but on a similar order of magnitude to the Dyson Sphere.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 31, 2023

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Maybe they sacrificed their ability to see blue for the ability to see infra-red instead.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




e:del

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




It's funny to realise in retrospect that we didn't see the Gamma Quadrant for two whole seasons towards the end of DS9: last time we see it before the finale is 5x22.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




The ensign who drove the Enterprise-D was in like 60 episodes. The ensign had one line once, but they dubbed it with a different voice to the on-set actor, presumably so her employment status wouldn't change.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Does anyone remember the game Star Trek: Legacy? I got it for Christmas, installed it on my PC, and was very disappointed with it. Maybe I'd like it better now; I don't remember now why I was dissatisfied. This was 2006 or so.

Legacy was a console-first game that had a really terrible PC port in terms of both bugs and the control scheme.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Also some Romulan crew on the senator's runabout.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




And she's right. Weyoun is truly loyal to his gods. She is not.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




No. The only crossover is that there's a few plot points in the initial premise of Voyager that get set up by earlier events during DS9 season 2, but there's no actual crossover during their runs, you gain nothing by watching them in parallel.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




There's a crew member on DS9 that gets mentioned a few times as budding.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Huh, when Kirk gets on the turbolift in TMP and does that little circle-around, I never realised he was looking for the handles. I always thought he was just taking in all the new. Neat!

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




davidspackage posted:

If I recall right, his character was gay!*

*not mentioned in movie

Enjoy your representation, gay ppl

There were rumours that he was going to be but that that was cut from the film, but honestly don't think they were real.

They did make him gay in the EU novels though.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Vegas is actually an interesting setting regarding those issues, because many Vegas hotels and casinos and clubs integrated extremely early compared to the rest of America, largely due to the incredible influence wielded by the Rat Pack, who refused to play at segregated venues or anywhere that treated Sammy Davis Jr as lesser. It was still a nasty place, of course, but things started happening there a little earlier than you might have thought.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jun 12, 2023

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




dr_rat posted:

The shaky cam from the Bourne films was the worst for this I think. That ruined so many action films for at least a decade or two.

Oof, and that was from the second Bourne on - I remember being impressed by some shots from Bourne 1 where the camera stayed very steady during action and we saw him do things clearly that films would normally have obscured to cover up movie cheats. Then in the second they went as far as possible in the other direction.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




It's basically a nicely polished Stellaris total conversion. Hey, used to be that half the licensed property games out there were just that. Honestly, sounds fine to me, means you get a cool Trek game with some mechanical depth that isn't mod-janky.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




I like the alt reading of the ep where Keiko 100% knew and was pushing for a polycule.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Screenshots show that smaller worlds can grow out into their own empires, they just look smaller to start and probably less expansionist than the big 4, at least by default.



If it's a full on Stellaris total conversion I don't see any reason why they wouldn't let you play around with the starting conditions or mess with options to let other worlds go nuts, just leaving in options from Stellaris.

(One neat thing we're getting out of this: symbols for every Trek world included, and it seems like there's going to be quite a lot.)

I'm a little disappointed they didn't Trekify the interface a bit more. They could've given it a few LCARS flairs, even if they didn't want to go full on bright colors. Or they could've used some of the pictograms that Trek has used to varying degrees of consistency since TMP, in the movies and 90s Trek and nuTrek, all. Or at least the department symbols from TOS.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jun 19, 2023

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Pakled posted:

Focusing on just those four major powers as the playable empires could potentially mean more flavorful content cause they can focus on creating mechanics and events specific to those four.

Yeah, we've seen a mission screen that includes things like constructing an Enterprise and crewing it out if you're playing Federation.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Tunicate posted:

yeah but they just replace it with the scimitar if you're playing the romulans

I'm kinda sad looking at ships that they're not using some of the nicer STO models for filling out the non-fed fleets now that it seems like CBS is facilitating asset sharing, it would've been neat to see a Bortasqu' show up as the Klingon flagship, I've always been fond of that big ol' lumbering monster, even if it is a starcraft ripoff.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Explored space is still incredibly tiny, though, they've explored a few percent of the galaxy. The Federation is top dog in their sphere, but the entire point of TOS/TNG/SNW on-the-Enterprise type of show is that they're heading out from the Federation's sphere of influence into the unknown, there's really nothing stopping them stumbling across plenty of more advanced civilisations.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Beeftweeter posted:

what does a technologically superior civilization even look like?

space glows

But on a more serious note, you can always go with the 'civilisation advanced enough their ships are more form over function' and just have big flying art pieces.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Beeftweeter posted:

e: probably doesn't help that the only real "future" setting is in discovery, and even then it's hampered by the federation and beyond being mostly destroyed by that point

And they've thrown out the cooler poo poo that the 29th century was shown to have too. We've seen future agents from before Discovery's new era being able to walk through walls and having rooms bigger on the inside and being able to step across light-years in a single moment and seamlessly blend together multiple versions of themselves and all sorts of poo poo and that's all gone.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




The capability of holoprojectors is a reason why they wouldn't bother with physical androids when it seems like a few holoprojectors can manipulate the environment around them remotely much more flexibly and magically just using fields. Don't bother with EMHs or anything just have the projector strip the surface away and pull out what it needs god that EMH thing was so dumb.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Boxturret posted:

In the episode with the Exocomps they were working on some sort of laser mining array, so the technology definitely exists in the world.

IIRC that was actually more of a massive tractor beam that scooped up what they needed from a surface.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Picard established that the Borg assimilated that teleporter so :shrug: sucks to be them

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




BioEnchanted posted:

Kind of want to see that Borg Cube. "We are the Party Borg. We will add your cultural and edible uniqueness to our own."

NIGHT CREEEW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjPOrXMaR4

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




zoux posted:

Are the whales the biggest thing ever transported

Not sure but definitely not if you count advanced aliens. The Voth beamed Voyager at one point.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Yo mama's so fat they had to double the size of Starbase 74 so she could fit in the doors.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




davidspackage posted:

More likely he thought "oh poo poo he knows"

'Oh gently caress, which one did he find out about'

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




No Dignity posted:

Personally I'd question if bottling up all your emotions until they're inevitably released once every seven years in a binge of unhinged sex, violence and sexual violence is really that logical

I don't think it was meant to be because of the bottling up, they just go into heat because of biology. (Although the Romulans not seeming to have it might imply that it is because of the bottling up, but they lost telepathy as well so there's been some evolutionary drift that could be responsible for them not having it)

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Atlas Hugged posted:

As I've been watching the end of Season 3 and start of Season 4 I've turned my Twitter into a conservative news feed reporting on events happening at Deep Space 9. There's so much good material to work with and a Federation Tucker Carlson would have an incredibly easy time making the crew of DS9 look awful. I could easily imagine them losing their minds over Captain "Sicko's" many attempts to groom alien children and to indoctrinate them into joining Star Fleet resulting in cultural clashes with Bajorans and Ferengi.

https://twitter.com/realGulDukat/status/1670175115546611715

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Also it's implied that the Federation is much larger than their enemies in those wars. If they'd maintained US-level military the wars would've been over instantly, but as is they keep their defence level relatively low, which is still enough to handily win.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Oh please anyone can glass half a planet.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Timby posted:

It's been a while, but I seem to recall the Federation-Klingon war in DS9 essentially reaching a stalemate and the cease-fire happened after the Martok changeling was revealed.

Yeah, the Klingons kicked their asses in the opening waves of the war but that was basically preparation and first strike advantage and it didn't last long enough for anything else. The war never really had a chance to move past the initial stages because the Federation got Martok exposed pretty quickly.

FuturePastNow posted:

The shows rarely ever gave us a proper demonstration of how powerful 24th century tech could be, or how superior the Federation is to most of its neighbors. One good example is The Wounded when the USS Phoenix goes rogue and shits all over the Cardassian ships trying to stop it.

It was always implied that the Cardiassians were hilariously outmatched by the Federation in the big picture and the only reason the Federation didn't completely stomp them was a lack of will on the Federation's side to go to full war footing.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Jun 26, 2023

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




V-Men posted:

Now I'm wondering what Earth's government is called. I mean, each Federation member world has its own government, they're also just members of the Federation. But I don't think it's ever explicitly mentioned that Earth and the human polity has an actual government.

United Earth

This is their emblem during Enterprise and in the early days of the Federation through to discovery



This seemed to be their flag during TUC, they also used use just the 'sun-over-planet' as an emblem.



In the 24th they've switched back to the old logo but without the squashy map



In the 32nd century after Earth and Titan reestablish peaceful contact they apparently federate as 'United Earth and Titan' and seem to rejoin the Federation under that name at the end of S4.



The logo used in ENT actually fell out some earth-in-a-wreath logos we saw in early TOS before the Federation was established. Enterprise basically retconned that to be a UE logo.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jun 26, 2023

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Angry Salami posted:

It's kinda funny that, after so many episodes, we still don't really know anything about how the Federation government works - there's never been an episode that's established how the Federation council or the president is elected, or what sort of authority they have over member worlds.

Honestly, I kinda prefer that. This is a superior future political system, let's not have writers throw in a lazy copy of the american political system, let's just let it be something we don't need to get into but that future experts smarter than any of us designed.

thotsky posted:

The Federation seems matched by, and maybe even slightly outgunned by the Romulans and the Breen. However, both of those species dislike direct conflict, which actually makes a lot of sense considering the scale of destruction wrought by even a single vessel.

Eh, I always got the impression that the Romulans were never anywhere near going to win in an outright firefight war - they were the civilisation closest to the Federation tech-wise and with powerful ships, but they aren't big enough as an empire to have defeated the Federation. Which is why they're often working to undermine and weaken them. But with high-tech cloaking ships they could do so much damage that it's not something the Federation would ever be willing to go at.

I don't know that the Breen were anywhere near equal to the Federation in power - when they entered the war, they tipped the scales pretty heavily (although a lot of that was because of their special weapon) but they didn't have so much of an effect that it's like they could've taken the Federation solo. It seems like it's probably another case where they're technologically equal and highly militarised, but their civilisation isn't large enough to directly outgun the Federation.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Jun 27, 2023

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Honestly, Starfleet should be maintaining a military reserve fleet.

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Some member species have their own fleets. It seems like it's up to individual planets how much they want Starfleet to handle things and if they want to maintain their own stuff.

That said, I doubt they have war-ready stuff past any additional local system defense. Exploratory ships like the Vulcan science ship we saw in LDS have self-defense weapons and capability, but they didn't seem to have much more than that. It's likely expected of members that international relations be under the aegis of the Federation and proper projected military power be the province of Starfleet.

(And if having their own science ships count, we've seen humans running their own civilian ships too - both demilitarised oberths, and non-starfleet ones like the Raven. Although the Raven looked very Starfleet, that's probably just because of all the cross-pollination of designs in Sol)

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jun 27, 2023

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