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davidspackage posted:Ep 5 of season 2, "Cardassians," is a good one, but I feel like this Dickheadian cellphone salesman unnecessarily muddies the plot at the start of the episode by telling Bashir that the Cardassian orphan, Rugal, is regularly beaten and berated by his Bajoran foster parents. Not only does there seem to be no truth to these statements at all, but we never find out why Clever Glans feels the need to so confidently besmirch the parents. What's weird is that we get another one of that guy's species later and it looks almost identical. And they use that same plot device later on with a "here's a person telling a definite lie that disappears" in Second Skin. I do think the plan he has makes sense because the Cardassians love wheels within wheels. First revenge is "your kid is gone, haha" second is "no they're not, here's another way to say gently caress you"
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Aug 26, 2023 08:31
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Atlas Hugged posted:Where the gently caress were they during the Dominion War? I mean, in the wormhole
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Aug 26, 2023 09:30
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I feel like I'm the only person who hates Far Beyond The Stars. I don't like any episode of a show that goes "Maybe it's not real??" I probably wouldn't care at all if I'd only seen it later when I could binge it but having that episode after a week of waiting was like "ugh gently caress that" Especially since every show at the time seemed to HAVE to have that one episode.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:17
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Atlas Hugged posted:They had a perfectly good botany lab when Sulu was briefly in the science department. Just copy that. They did suggest it but it would be "making her career into a hobby" Like i said they're decent at covering the basic questions you'd ask about stories. It always feels like there's a person who reads over the script and goes "but why not..." Which I think SNW is missing. And Prodigy is really
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Aug 27, 2023 17:59
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Sir Lemming posted:I feel like you might be conflating it with the later episode that calls back to it, because it's only then that they really introduce any hint that the whole series might just be the vision. FBTS is pretty up-front about its intentions as a stand-alone parable, and pretty much just uses the technobabble (or spirituababble?) as a flimsy framework to hang it on. It's him writing on the walls about it, I mean I hadn't seen that later episode when I watched the episode myself (since it didn't exist)
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Aug 27, 2023 21:50
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Up to Visionary in DS9 and man that's such a fun episode. The story fits together and also it has one of my absolute favourite bits - where Quark looks at Past O'Brien on the promenade and goes "never mind chief, clearly you have bigger problems" I dunno what it is about it, I just love that bit
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Aug 29, 2023 13:15
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MuddyFunster posted:Clues. It's basically just the Red Dwarf episode Thanks For The Memory, right down to a broken limb being a major plot point. I looked up the air dates because I wasn't sure and huh, Red Dwarf did it first. Good though, I was eager enough to find out what the cause of the missing day was. Marina Sirtis going all baritone "KIRK UNIT" after huffing a space fart cloud is pleasantly stupid. As I say, good, but I cannot believe that those crummy smegheads did it first and did it better. Similarly "Visionary" really makes me think of Future Echoes I guess more than anything it's the DS9 writing team and the Red Dwarf guys reading the same scifi though Arivia posted:In case you didn't recognize her, that was Bebe Neuwirth, most famous for being Lilith on Cheers/Frasier. Everyone watching at the time would have known something was up when she appeared. Every american at least Cheers wasn't as big in the UK (and also we got TNG quite a lot after it was originally aired for some reason). First Contact was in 1994 for us, not 1991. gently caress knows why Inspired by a post earlier on I was thinking of episodes I usually skip when I watch through DS9. There's only four. Melora, Invasive Procedures, Meridian and Explorers. Although that sadly means missing the first appearance of the Klingon Restaurant! Taear fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Aug 30, 2023 |
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Arivia posted:Star Trek, whether we like it or not, is made by Americans for Americans - it's reasonable to talk about the audience being Americans as a default. It doesn't need or deserve correcting. It's more like you're assuming the poster is american tbh Also you know what, Star Trek does a really good job of NOT feeling like that. For one, they use the metric system! Lord Hydronium posted:I get skipping Melora and Meridian, but Explorers is great and Invasive Procedures, while kinda middle of the road for DS9 episodes, has a good role by John Glover. Invasive Procedures I know off by heart for some reason so I don't want to watch it again. Couldn't tell you why. Every other episode there's at least something I've forgotten but not that one. Explorers I just find boring. I like the end of it though
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Aug 30, 2023 11:42
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Nessus posted:It's genuinely excellent television, although I'd wonder about how well the comedy angle holds up. Perhaps the TNG/DS9 crew were watching fansubs at BBC cons. It's still funny in the same way as it was. No jokes punching down, nothing like that. I guess having no women in it makes it a lot harder for them to have any classic sexism and half the cast is black so no racism either. Also 1-6 is good. 6 is just when the rot set in. 1-2 are very very different to 3-6 though.
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MuddyFunster posted:I don't know if it's a niche or popular opinion, but I feel like 1-2 are my favourites. They just feel so goddamn comfy. I do like all the action/adventure-y stuff of 3 to 6 , but that grey mundanity really works for me for some reason. It feels more emotionally resonant and lonely. 1-2 are my favourite too but (especially at the time) it wasn't a popular opinion. Series 2 only got made because the outgoing director of the BBC wanted to gently caress over their successor so they recommissioned it. Series 1 got like 200k viewers, absolutely gently caress all for a sitcom on the BBC in the 80s. Atlas Hugged posted:This is where I'm coming from. The time jump between TOS and TNG isn't so great that huge societal shifts would have happened. Money as we know it clearly didn't exist by the films (see: The Voyage Home), so at most it seems that they're in something of a transitional period. Plus, the people on Kirk's Enterprise in TOS are clearly "evolved" humans in a cultural sense, not interested at all in the pursuit of personal gain or pure hedonism. Chekov for instance appreciates the aesthetic beauty of the Androids on Mudd's planet, but he knows they're not women in a genuine sense and isn't really all that interested in them. When it comes to it TOS is just absolutely and utterly dogshit at world building. They don't care and it shows.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:05
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I mean I guess this is true if you’re talking about the first half of season 1 where certain minor elements were kind of in flux and contradictory based on who was writing the episode, but it’s demonstrably false for basically the rest of the show. How is it?
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Aug 31, 2023 16:39
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MuddyFunster posted:Identity Crisis, come the gently caress on, what was that? Already wasn't on board for another round of "Geordie sits in ten forward and boisterously laughs like a weirdo in the proximity of women", this really is far too soon after Galaxy's Child. But then, the episode itself is just the dumbest of dumb schlock. He yet again attempts to solve a mystery by heading off into the holodeck and is farting about in there for far too goddamn long, before turning into a ludicrous UV light monster that certainly wasn't intended to hold up to HD scrutiny. Boy oh boy, what a pile of poo poo. Yea I love that episode because it's freaky as hell, but like most posters I saw it as a kid so it's coloured a lot by that
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When they make Bashir old in that episode that's inside his head they won an Emmy for makeup But it's basically the same as that admiral. Might even be the same people?
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Arivia posted:mesk, the orion from cincinnati, sounds like an snl character No it's actually from something funny
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Sep 4, 2023 14:10
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Technowolf posted:I think canon is they got invaded by the Hur'q (sp?) and grabbed all their warp drives after driving them off. The Hur'q are proper canon but you don't get a lot about them. They're from the gamma quadrant and their invasion was horrible (that part is from enterprise). It's weird, they kinda drop what should be a HUGE development just randomly in the episode Sword of Kahless. That said Star Trek is really good at doing things that should be super meaningful and it being just a random whim for that one episode
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Sir Lemming posted:Middle of season 6 actually, but yeah. Honestly it's impressive that DS9 broke the rules of "bringing in an old character" AND added more characters as the run went on and it still worked fine
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Sep 7, 2023 18:04
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davidspackage posted:S2-20 and S2-21, the Maquis: I quite like the episodes but it's impossible to have any sympathy for the Maquis. They're staying on their planets even though they live in a post scarcity society, risking another war Absolute loving bellends
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SlothfulCobra posted:The most detail you get about Maquis life is Cal Hudson's speech on there being constant violence against the colonists that the Cardassian government was facilitating, which everything else about the way the Cardassian Union operated does seem to jive with. Imagine if your home was sinking but you had infinite places to move to and it didn't cost any money. Sure it might be a bit sad to abandon your home but if you stuck there regardless of the sinking then honestly gently caress you That's how I feel about the Maquis. Just move! You've not even lived there very long.
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Arivia posted:does this make the cardassians aquaman Imagine if the people in the houses that are sinking because the world is ending got told "Okay cool here's infinity money, move wherever you like" and they went "NO" and started bombing the sea,
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SlothfulCobra posted:You don't sound like somebody who's had to move much. I rent and live in the UK I move every year If I had infinite resources and money it'd be fine.
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SlothfulCobra posted:How often have you had to go to another city leaving behind everything you know because somebody burnt down your home? How often have you lived in a socialist utopia that provides absolutely everything? It's just not even comparable to that situation
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Thinking of Past Prologue are they saying humanity has wiped itself out? I feel like the biggest thing we're missing is what's on earth NOW It almost feels like it's saying the federation doesn't exist at all any more in any sense since there's a romulan listening post on alpha centauri I know it doesn't matter but I'm tying back to "population: 7 billion. All Borg" from First Contact
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davidspackage posted:After the DS9 season 2 ender "Jem'Hadar" physically introducing some of the Dominion, I move on to: I don't think it's the same as a dream resolution at all because it does matter what happens. It's just exactly the same as the red dwarf episodes "back in the red" where kinda the same thing happens. Yea it's a simulation, but what happens in the simulation affects a resolution to an issue in the real world
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When I was showing my ex TNG we started with series 1 and I think it was a mistake. It's good that it teaches you about Wesley - like all the memed bits and him being annoying is pretty much exclusively series 1 - but they're so bad she lost interest and good ones were harder to get her into
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Somehow until today I'd never realised that the second in command in Homefront is Leah Brahms
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Also years ago there was a show on here in the UK, a panel show - with star trek people. It was in 1997 and called Space Cadets. It was the first time I'd ever seen Rom without makeup and it's seared into my head but I'd only recently remembered the name. Even Shatner was on it once, it's worth a watch if you can find it.
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Powered Descent posted:Since this episode came out, the ozone layer has become a huge environmental success story, and I'd love to see it acknowledged as such in new sci-fi. The phase-out of CFCs, which was a pet cause of 80s-90s environmentalism, actually worked. It's expected that the ozone layer will completely regenerate over the next few decades. It's already too late so. CFCs were a byproduct of SOME things instead of the entire world's industry. I mean don't get me wrong it's great it worked but it's one of those cases where "stop using plastic straws" actually IS enough to fix it (as in one small change)
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In other news we've just finished Homefront and Paradise Lost in the rewatch and I dislike how small they make the federation feel There's a LITTLE lip service to "what will everyone else say when you do what you're doing" but not quite enough I think. Babylon 5 did it better I'm saying.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Season 3 is rough. Definitely a major slog outside of a couple of decent episodes. Why is this I wonder, what happened to make series 3 so bad? I don't really like TOS at the best of times but 3 is really grim
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Memory Alpha is really good for reading alongside the episode you're watching. It's how you learn that most of DS9 is a happy accident
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Series 5 of DS9 has a run of six absolutely amazing episodes stopped in their tracks by the Risa one. When you read the trivia and they're basically saying "it's a sex episode where we can't show sex" you kinda consider "this is a planet of sex workers, where you go to have sex. And it's on TV in the US at 1800 in the 90s" and boggle for a moment Also (said a bunch before) why the gently caress don't they arrest Worf or banish him and those guys from the planet
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Feldegast42 posted:The only truly unwatchable DS9 episode IMHO is the one where Lwaxana is pregnant and Meg Foster tries to seduce Jake The Muse is a bad episode but I like the lwaxana story, Michael Ansara is decent and Odo actually gets pretty passionate. It sounds like it was one of those episodes where they just couldn't quite make the script work and they ended up making something that didn't make anyone happy
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Angry Salami posted:Fun trivia about Aquiel - 'The dog did it!' was a last minute change to the script, the original plan was that Aquiel would have been the killer. But for some deranged reason the writers got it into their heads that she'd be a good recurring romance for Geordi. Then after it aired they realized they had no chemistry and the actress just didn't work, and so she was never heard from again. I'm sure this happens in TV a lot but the sheer loving volume of things that are last minute changes always blows my mind. Or just random choices, this especially feels weird in DS9 where things come back later. "Oh we need to kill someone off in this episode, who can we use" without thinking what it means later
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No Dignity posted:Bariel dying because they had a script about a guy getting hosed up that they needed to use up ie indane Yea it was just a random federation ambassador Or the one where Jake's on the planet when Klingons are attacking the Federation because it was too expensive to have Cardassians there. Meaning they basically broke continuity and just go "Oh the cease fire stopped" for that one episode
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Lord Hydronium posted:DS9 is wild in that aspect, its main arc was pretty much entirely assembled on the fly. The one that really gets me is that the Founders weren't even intended to be Odo's people until they were writing The Search at the start of S3. Them killing Opaka is absolutely bizarre to me. They wanted a character we'd seen a few times and we'd care about. And that's all they considered. While of course it led to some amazing stuff down the road it's so strange to know it wasn't planned in advance.
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MuddyFunster posted:Fascinating finding out Alexander Siddig's real name in the credits, then looking it up and finding out his REAL real name. He changes from Siddig El Fadil in the credits of DS9 to Alexander Siddig in series 4. I remember as a kid being like ??? but then you look him up and he did it to sound less "foreign". Which is kinda poo poo
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Also I watched "For The Uniform" again last night and god the holo communicator is so weird, it's like an episode from a parallel universe of star trek. I get the idea and why they wanted to do it but it makes the episode feel really different. I do like that Sisko says "no they're not refugees, you've MADE them refugees, they had places to go and settle". I hate the fuckin' Marquis
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Technowolf posted:Captive Pursuit is such a good episode. Tosk really does come across as an alien and not just a guy in a lizard suit. I really like how O'Brien is with Tosk. Although I think the Hunters come across as too powerful and it feels weird that they'd just be another race in the Dominion. It does make me appreciate that (other than the Federation) the Dominion is an "empire" of more than just one people though. I know it's come up before but show us some Klingon/Cardassian/Romulan subject peoples that aren't the Bajorans. Is the occupation uniquely horrendous? Feels like it is, but surely there's other species living in these empires?
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