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Kith posted:I meant in the interim period between Brood War and Starcraft 2, which is... what, 5-8 years? I can't remember. I think that interim period and the way it's mostly just... ignored is one of the most baffling weak holes in the story. You've got a part that doesn't have to really fit any gameplay, you could say that Mengsk took up knitting, Kerrigan started the Hydralisk Bowling League and Zeratul composed a rock opera about a lonely Probe, loving anything that would establish motivations and perhaps deepen characters a bit. But instead it seems to have consisted largely of everyone sitting around jerking off while Mengsk rebuilt a war-devastated sector of human space in record time until Raynor finally got drunk enough that he started shooting at the Dominion and Duran/Narud started farting his evil plot at Kerrigan and Zeratul until they woke up.
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Yeah, that's what I mean. The Swarm was conveniently quiet, Raynor was been pickling his liver, and Mengsk rebuilt Korhal. Oh, and Mar Sara got recolonized after the Protoss purified it. That's it? That's really all that happened in the five year period between games?
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Five years? I thought it was two!
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So... How are we expected to feel about all of this? I know how I actually feel, but what do the story-writers want us to feel? I'm a bit too old and crusty to have the correct mindset.
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My best guess is that they want you to be impressed and excited by all the trailer moments, they probably think that structure, plot and themes are the deluded ravings of out of touch academics.
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The one part of this update that feels out of place to me is how Kerrigan talks about "doing the impossible" by shattering Mengsk's power as though that's some big accomplishment. Over the course of a single year (2500, covering both SC1 and BW), the Swarm completely swamped the Terran Confederacy, the Protoss homeworld, Korhal itself, then completely wiped out three last-ditch retaliation fleets simultaneously. Even if we ignore the ~special prophecy~ and Kerrigan's Primal Queen of Blades powers, the Zerg should have been a heavy favorite in any Swarm VS Dominion matchup (even with part of Kerrigan's Swarm gone feral and unavailable?) because we've seen what happens when the Swarm shows up several times and it tends to not go well for the other side. Asehujiko posted:I've kind of just forgotten how little content there was in this game, I'd mentally filed it as being the same as the other games in the series  In my head, Heart was about the same length as Wings (~30 missions), with the Evolution Missions being short fun test drives on top of that 30 missions, but it's actually more like 20 missions and only gets to 30 if you count those Evolution Missions. Also in my headcanon, Legacy of the Void is significantly longer than either game, but that's probably also wrong  .
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painedforever posted:So... on the edge of your seat to see if Kerrigan can destroy the enemy base this time
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BlazetheInferno posted:The part the games don't mention is that what we see at the start of this campaign isn't the first shot Mengsk takes on Kerrigan post-de-infestation. Y'know how Valerian took half the fleet? Well, turns out... Trying to fix your game plot with out-of-game books is the Day One Patch of literature. Kith posted:Yeah, that's what I mean. The Swarm was conveniently quiet, Raynor was been pickling his liver, and Mengsk rebuilt Korhal. Oh, and Mar Sara got recolonized after the Protoss purified it. Hear me out on this. If you remember the final mission of Brood War, you will recall that pre-retcons, Mengsk got utterly destroyed. Just completely curbstomped. He had to "call in a few favors, make a few concessions" just to scrape a new army together after Kerrigan last curbstomped him on Korhal. Logically there should have been no coming back from that. His mystique is gone. He didn't come back from that. This new guy is just some incompetent nerd who's pretending to be him. He's so incompetent in fact that it's public knowledge he's an imposter, he can't hide it. But that's fine, whoever's running the Dominion now is happy to let not-Mengsk pretend to be the famous supervillain because it distracts Kerrigan and Raynor, the only people not in on the gag. They go for this moron and his ridiculous mad science secret lab nonsense while the actual government gets on with rebuilding. bladededge fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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I'm sure multiple people out there are convinced that putting half the plot in EU novels and comics makes them sell like hot cakes despite all the existing evidence that they absolutely do not sell anything like the main games or movie tickets do.
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Blizzard's chief EU writer (mainly for Warcraft but I think she did some Starcraft stuff as well), Christie Golden, left the company today, so there's that.
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SIGSEGV posted:I'm sure multiple people out there are convinced that putting half the plot in EU novels and comics makes them sell like hot cakes despite all the existing evidence that they absolutely do not sell anything like the main games or movie tickets do. I don't like when they do that, that makes it so the story *assumes* you have read those and if you haven't even heard that they existed then you will be confused.
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At the very least, the Flashpoint novel between WoL and HotS doesn't actually contain any critical information. The gap it bridges isn't a particularly confusing one, and there are no big reveals in the book that the game just assumes you already know. Nothing specific to the book is important, but it's a neat gap-closer that has some events in it that are interesting, but not brought up in the games. Like, Raynor's bartender on the Hyperion turning traitor isn't information that's going to be important to the games, but I still had that twinge of "That bastard! Noooo  " when I read about it.
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BlazetheInferno posted:Like, Raynor's bartender on the Hyperion turning traitor isn't information that's going to be important to the games, but I still had that twinge of "That bastard! Noooo To be fair, paying someone to keep serving Raynor drinks when his alcoholism is his most crippling weakness is probably the smartest play the Dominion ever made.
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PurpleXVI posted:To be fair, paying someone to keep serving Raynor drinks when his alcoholism is his most crippling weakness is probably the smartest play the Dominion ever made. If only. He was Raynor's Bartender, then he turned Spy for the Dominion, and ended up leaving to actively work against them.
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Bonus: Zerg Unit Quotes General Units Okay look, it's the loving zerg. All their units do alien screech noises. I'm not going line by line and saying 'this one sounds like a roar, while this one is more of a chirp.' I'll link their videos if you really want to hear them, but this is pretty much going to be for hero units. Larva Drone Overlord Zergling Swarm Queen Roach Hydralisk Lurker Baneling Infestor Parasitic Dominated Units Parasitic Domination changing the targets lines means that every unit in Heart (plus the Corsair and Tauren Space Marine, of all things) show up here. Granted, they all have the same lines of 'assimilation successful,' 'awaiting directives,' 'your command,' 'for the Swarm,' 'I obey,' and 'service complete.' The one exception is the Tauren Space Marine, who has 'for the Hor-I mean Swarm!' That's a lot of work put into one ability! Mutalisk Brood Lord Broodling Viper Swarm Host Ultralisk Brutalisk Leviathan I couldn't find a quote video for the Aberration or the Impaler. I guess even the people who record these went  when dealing with Heart.Hero Units Sarah Kerrigan (Umoja) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0W7Fsdumso Produced:
Sarah Kerrigan (Pre-Zerus) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOjo4Z18UeY Produced:
Sarah Kerrigan (Primal) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj2Jwe_QkwM Produced:
Niadra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gushWOExsE Produced:
Alexei Stukov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPj70yn3ku4 Produced:
Matt Horner Kerrigan was on the Hyperion at one point, so I'm calling him an honorary zerg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haMc_eebx9o (Strangely lacks most of the lines, the playlist I usually use didn't have him at all.) Produced:
Dehaka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH9qg1_QROs Produced:
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BisbyWorl posted:I have not evolved a new arm. Why? Because you need to reach level 10 first, silly.
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One thing I like in Heroes of the Storm is that Dehaka does grow his arm back when you take his ultimate ability.
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Are we adding to the essence count for these lines?
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TeeQueue posted:Are we adding to the essence count for these lines? BisbyWorl posted:Dehaka also has nine different unit lines that mention essence, so I'll count those once each.
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I am exactly good at reading as the memes would suggest, it seems. 
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It's okay, all the essences just blend together after long enough. That's how the Zerg work.
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Okay, due credit, audio director actually had every actor record lines for parasitic domination for every unit instead of just using a voice filter like I thought the game did? A+ effort. When SC1 came out in 1998 that would have been crazy, filling up precious CD space with that much rarely-called audio.
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bladededge posted:Okay, due credit, audio director actually had every actor record lines for parasitic domination for every unit instead of just using a voice filter like I thought the game did? A+ effort. Doubly so considering they also did all the protoss units, which show up in exactly one mission after you unlock Infestors.
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BisbyWorl posted:Doubly so considering they also did all the protoss units, which show up in exactly one mission after you unlock Infestors. To be fair I assume most of these can come up in skirmish too. Still did the Scout though.
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I'll throw this in here, so you can hear Abathur say "bitches". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMLF8LqLuas
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SoundwaveAU posted:I'll throw this in here, so you can hear Abathur say "bitches". I'll be honest, Jim x Dehaka would be a far more compelling story than what we got here.
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BisbyWorl posted:I'll be honest, Jim x Dehaka would be a far more compelling story than what we got here. Steve Blum is on Cameo. It's not too late to make this happen. Also wow if I hadn't looked it up I never would have guessed that was Steve Blum.
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BisbyWorl posted:I'll be honest, Jim x Dehaka would be a far more compelling story than what we got here. Possibly even slightly more plausible, too!
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Jim in Joeyray's Bar, wistfully gazing at a photo of a lopsided zergasaurus
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bladededge posted:Steve Blum is on Cameo. It's not too late to make this happen. Blum actually has an impressive range. He just gets hired a lot to do that specific voice. Nolan North suffers from similar typecasting.
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Steve Blum's best role to date, by far, is the random john in Saints Row 2 who likes horse roleplay e: his safe word was "bangarang"
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Mokinokaro posted:Blum actually has an impressive range. He just gets hired a lot to do that specific voice. Nolan North suffers from similar typecasting. Also Jennifer Hale. She has exactly two voices that 95% of roles casting her ask her to use one of.
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Mokinokaro posted:Blum actually has an impressive range. He just gets hired a lot to do that specific voice. Nolan North suffers from similar typecasting. I love that his range includes both Wolverine and Guilmon.
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Cythereal posted:Also Jennifer Hale. She has exactly two voices that 95% of roles casting her ask her to use one of. Laura Bailey too. Jaina Proudmoor, Kira Carsen, and The Boss of the 3rd Street Saints are all the same person.
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Warmachine posted:Laura Bailey too. Rise from Persona 4, Lust from Fullmetal Alchemist, and kid Trunks from Dragonball are also all Laura Bailey and are all wildly different. She really isn't typecast at all. Steve needs to talk to Laura's agent.
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bladededge posted:Rise from Persona 4, Lust from Fullmetal Alchemist, and kid Trunks from Dragonball are also all Laura Bailey and are all wildly different. She really isn't typecast at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iC-yPs1UvU
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bladededge posted:Rise from Persona 4, Lust from Fullmetal Alchemist, and kid Trunks from Dragonball are also all Laura Bailey and are all wildly different. She really isn't typecast at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8_O6Qi5RRQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGoV0fIuDQM Steve also has range, but people really want spike and wolverine. He also still does a lot of just weird incidental voice work for side characters and bit parts, even when he's not also voicing a main.
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Biggest case I know of "Wait, THAT WAS STEVE BLUM???" is the fact that he did Poromon in Season 2 of Digimon. Y'know, the high-pitched in-training form of Hawkmon. Otherwise, yeah, most of the time his voice is very, very easily recognizable.
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he was an ADR writer for Season 2 of Digimon so whenever there was a bit part that they needed an actor for and couldn't find one he'd do it.
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