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Can someone explain how Nikki Haley would be a stronger candidate than Trump? Because I don't see it. I don't think she beats Biden when she loses millions of votes and doesn't gain any.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:52
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Trazz posted:Can someone explain how Nikki Haley would be a stronger candidate than Trump? Because I don't see it. I don't think she beats Biden when she loses millions of votes and doesn't gain any. I honestly believe that people that argue this forget that she's a woman. Like not that they think she's not one, but it just doesn't occur to them that the party that wants to ban abortion while claiming a right to life might actually just really really hate women.
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Mar 7, 2024 23:57
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They're imagining a suburban wine mom demographic who wouldn't (openly) support Trump, but are willing to vote for a woman who would do more or less the same things.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:00
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Eletriarnation posted:If my quick research is correct, the last incumbent president who was eligible to run for re-election and declined was Coolidge, who had almost a term and a half nearly a century ago. (e: Not Ford, as I initially said - he ran and lost.) It's a very well entrenched standard that a first-term president will run and be nominated again. Johnson was also from a different, pre Fox News Rush LImbaugh era where partisan affiliations in American politics was more fluid. Now massive failures like Johnson’s involvement in Vietnam or Trump’s management of Covid or raising an insurrection mob will only move the needle small amounts and not cause a guaranteed dumpstering in the next election.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:03
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Trazz posted:Can someone explain how Nikki Haley would be a stronger candidate than Trump? Because I don't see it. I don't think she beats Biden when she loses millions of votes and doesn't gain any. I think she'd win mainly on the basis of not being super old. This Is the Zodiac posted:They're imagining a suburban wine mom demographic who wouldn't (openly) support Trump, but are willing to vote for a woman who would do more or less the same things. I actually know people irl who would vote for Biden over Trump, but would vote for Haley over Biden.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:04
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People say Haley is a stronger candidate than Trump because there are tons of polls out there literally showing that she does much better against Biden in a head-to-head. That's it. That's the reason. Example: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4444133-haley-holds-13-point-lead-over-biden-in-new-head-to-head-poll/ You can say that the polls are wrong, but even then there's just no evidence whatsoever for this claim that significant numbers of people would refuse to vote for her because she's a woman.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:07
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The idea seems like it is stated from time to time that Americans in general, not just GOP, would not elect a woman. Clinton pretty much disproved that. She won the popular vote and only lost the EC by small margins. Americans will vote for a woman president, it just has to be a different, better candidate than her. Or it could even have been her against a different opponent.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:12
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blossommirage posted:I honestly believe that people that argue this forget that she's a woman. Like not that they think she's not one, but it just doesn't occur to them that the party that wants to ban abortion while claiming a right to life might actually just really really hate women. Fair point but right wingers are generally fine voting for minority candidates these days so long as they're "one of the good ones" (see: Tim Scott; also Nikki Haley). Haley was quite popular in SC and defeated all right wing challengers handily. Being brown was a bigger hurdle for her than being a woman, there were several incidents of SC politicians referring to her with ethnic slurs.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:16
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Haley is basically the Generic Republican candidate right now, which is why she's doing better than Trump vs Biden.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:18
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I don't think Nikki Haley's problem is that she's a woman Her problem is that she's Not Donald Trump She simply does not have the juice to get 75 million Americans to vote for her, let alone debase themselves into a cult-like following for her Like, do you really see family-shattering arguments occurring because of Nikki Haley?
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Mar 8, 2024 00:21
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Trazz posted:Can someone explain how Nikki Haley would be a stronger candidate than Trump? Because I don't see it. I don't think she beats Biden when she loses millions of votes and doesn't gain any.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:30
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Trazz posted:I don't think Nikki Haley's problem is that she's a woman You don't need to be a member of someone's cult to vote for them. Biden does not have 80 million cult followers. The entire appeal of Haley is that she's Not Donald Trump, and that you're unlikely to get into family-shattering arguments because of her. Even though she's a standard lovely Republican from a left-wing perspective, she represents the return to relative normalcy and decorum that many in the center are craving. That's what these polls are showing. She does better against Biden than Trump does. If you think the polls are wrong, explain why. The only problem with them that I see is that they don't account for a potential scenario in which Trump urges his MAGA followers not to vote for the globalist Haley, or even launches his own campaign as an independent. Then she would be in trouble, yes.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:33
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Trazz posted:Can someone explain how Nikki Haley would be a stronger candidate than Trump? Because I don't see it. I don't think she beats Biden when she loses millions of votes and doesn't gain any. all the "moderates" and suburbanites that usually hammer Republican that are turned off by Trump
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Mar 8, 2024 00:42
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Phlegmish posted:You don't need to be a member of someone's cult to vote for them. Biden does not have 80 million cult followers. The entire appeal of Haley is that she's Not Donald Trump, and that you're unlikely to get into family-shattering arguments because of her. Even though she's a standard lovely Republican from a left-wing perspective, she represents the return to relative normalcy and decorum that many in the center are craving. The polls are wrong because Democrats have been consistently over-performing them and Republicans are consistently underperforming them. Nikki Haley wouldn't even crack 70 million votes. The polls are literally just assuming that Haley has the same baseline of votes as Trump has. Donald Trump could run a write-in campaign from jail and he'd still pull more votes than Haley. The Nevada primary proved this.
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Mar 8, 2024 00:49
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:all the "moderates" and suburbanites that usually hammer Republican that are turned off by Trump I think the gop in general has lost the suburbs longer than trump for the time being because the suburbs tend to be realitivly socially liberal. Soccer mom Sarah isn’t some boomer conservative any more. She knows people who are lgbtq and minorities or maybe is one herself.
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Mar 8, 2024 01:52
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DaveWoo posted:Yeah, Haley would've stood a very good chance of beating Biden in the general election. Too bad the Republican party threw that away. I think Trump stands a good chance of beating Biden Trazz posted:I don't think Nikki Haley's problem is that she's a woman 100% this. Trump, at this stage, simply IS the GOP base and his rabid cult like following makes him unbeatable in a primary.
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Mar 8, 2024 02:22
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this. biden still has a good shot of winning against haley. Harris is a charisma vacum.
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Mar 8, 2024 03:45
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edit: wrong thread.
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Mar 8, 2024 03:47
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Nikki haley does well with the type of voters that Biden wants to court
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Grouchio posted:Would Biden spittin fires against everyone in his State of the Union tonight provide sufficient firepower? probably but i think if trump was gone, the GOP would have backed those various bills way earlier and he probably be calmer. again its all hypothetical.
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