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IRT Starship Troopers... Did anyone ever read Armor by John Steakley? https://www.amazon.com/Armor-John-Steakley/dp/0886773687 It was semi-Starship Troopers, but the protagonist realizes how effed everything is, but doesn't know anything else. can't remember the exact plot, but I'm fairly sure we (Humans) were messing with poo poo that we probably shouldn't. As we often do. e- i haven't read it in years. there is a chapter that is pretty tough that I skipped everytime after reading it once. I might have to give it a go, though. I enjoyed X amount of years ago. blight rhino fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jun 25, 2023 |
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my favorite part of star war troopers was when snake used an EMP on St. Boondock's home planet
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Jun 25, 2023 00:27
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Dunning Krugerrand posted:That melancholy vibe is straight from the novel which deals a lot with aging (and the regrets that come with it) being a thing you should embrace and not avoid. For instance, the movie doesn't come out and tell you that Schmendrick's teacher cursed him with immortality until he learns to control his magic, and he truly considers it a curse. IIRC at the end of the book, since he's performed magic, he can now start aging. And he's thrilled about it. In both, I think it ends with the unicorn saying she can never fully be herself again, as a unicorn indifferent to age and suffering, because she's experienced love and loss of it, and she doesn't blame Schmendrick for it. As a kid growing up with happy My Little Pony poo poo, I hated The Last Unicorn because it didn't have the happy magic. As an adult, it's a great film and book.
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Convex posted:I thought he gave it up because he had aggressive cancer Yeah, he would have kept going if he had pacifist cancer.
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Montague Tigg posted:my favorite part of star war troopers was when snake used an EMP on St. Boondock's home planet I know
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While teenaged me enjoyed Can't Hardly Wait when it came out, and it still has a certain 90s charm, one of its major subplots involves The Nerds planning to bring down The Jocks by framing them for being gay. Then the main Jock was destroyed in front of everyone at a party by being called a homophobic slur. That...hasn't aged well.
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Zugzwang posted:While teenaged me enjoyed Can't Hardly Wait when it came out, and it still has a certain 90s charm, one of its major subplots involves The Nerds planning to bring down The Jocks by framing them for being gay. Then the main Jock was destroyed in front of everyone at a party by being called a homophobic slur. That...hasn't aged well. shut up word I cannot say anymore because it is hurtful
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Are there really cliques in high school because as a kid, watching all these high school movies made me worry what group I'd be stuck in. Oddly enough other than a few sports groups, there weren't any main Clique Groups. I love Mrs. Doubtfire but rewatching the movie now, like gently caress, the mom is right for wanting a divorce, just like the judge is right for making the verdict he does about supervised visits only.
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Cowslips Warren posted:Are there really cliques in high school because as a kid, watching all these high school movies made me worry what group I'd be stuck in. Oddly enough other than a few sports groups, there weren't any main Clique Groups. It's probably one of those things that really varies by location, at least within the US. I was raised in New York City, and I went to a high school that was majority minority with students from all over the city. No real cliques, you just kind of made friends with classmates and/or sports teammates, and then got pulled into their circles of mutual friends. Nobody gave a poo poo who else you were friends with or put you down for being a nerd. otoh, my cousin's kids are teenagers now in a little town on the Canadian border, and their small town high school experience sounds like it was pulled right from an 80s or early 90s teen drama. If you're in good with the goth kids or the drama nerds, the popular girls and football players will hate you, etc. So I guess there's at least a kernel of truth in those films and TV shows.
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Jun 25, 2023 05:11
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In my small very white town in central Washington state junior high was where you went through hell for not being a jock or whatever. That’s the age when kids are at their worst too By high school that wasn’t a thing. Like no one cared if you werent a sports star or prom Queen or in student council This was late 70s/early 80s
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They were supposed to be in their early 30s iirc
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ElectricSheep posted:They were supposed to be in their early 30s iirc Yep! Stu pickles is 33
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Jun 25, 2023 06:03
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In Face/off, how weird is it that the guy puts his hand on his wife and kids' faces to show affection, like right in their face fingers in the eyes. That must be incredibly annoying.
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Arc Light posted:
All true. 99% high school media was bizarre to me. Teacher parking lot? STUDENT parking lot??? You bump into your teachers on the bus, or 6 blocks away in a store, they make fun of you if you cut class that day. Private school was more clicky though. Unchallenged, from safer families/areas, smaller social circle, treated with safety gloves, trying to be hard after being around nuns while in their uniforms mommy ironed the night before, etc. Their private yellow bus would catch a light outside our public school and they would give the finger and trash talk (but not too loud bc the certified adult on board might hear).
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Cat Hassler posted:In my small very white town in central Washington state junior high was where you went through hell for not being a jock or whatever. That’s the age when kids are at their worst too Graduated in 85
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Spinz posted:Very white Western Washington absolutely had cliques always throughout my time in school, based on class$ Yeah 1985 for me as well
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blight rhino posted:IRT Starship Troopers... Yep. I specifically remember the scene where Dude A (not injured) grabs Dude B (injured). Their powered armor has a specific code that causes it to self-destruct in a massive fireball. Dude A punches the code into Dude B's armor. When Dude B realizes what's going on, he knows it's the only option, but is still pissed at Dude A for forcing it on him. Then Dude A tosses Dude B at the enemy colony. Results as expected.
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GolfHole posted:Back when I was an impressionable youth and saw Starship Troopers and wanted to join the mobile infantry too (because kids who watch that movie almost all get the message wrong), the army recruiter I talked to told me that it was the most commonly-cited movie amongst potential recruits. Star Trek coming up second. Interesting demonstration of the power of propaganda. As I’m sure most people in this thread know, Verhoeven grew up in Nazi occupied Holland and a few scenes mirror those in Nazi propaganda films such as Triumph Of The Will. I also occasionally see people mocking the poor tactics and training of the soldiers in the film. To which the answer is why would you expect a fascist state to be well run or to have any regard for the lives of its troops? That’s what the shiny surfaces, crisp uniforms and slogans are distracting you from.
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limp_cheese posted:The book also had some weird sexual politics. It's a Heinlein book so you repeat yourself. Moon is a Harsh Mistress features line marriages where you have groups of differently aged people married to each other, so like 20 (80 year olds, 60 year olds, 40 year olds, and 20 year olds) people all married to each other but the marriage itself never dies because you keep adding another person when someone dies. A key plot point in two of his books sees the protagonist go back in time, sleep with his own mother, and then bring her back to the future in order to marry her.
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Dial A For Awesome posted:Interesting demonstration of the power of propaganda. As I’m sure most people in this thread know, Verhoeven grew up in Nazi occupied Holland and a few scenes mirror those in Nazi propaganda films such as Triumph Of The Will. Yeah, I didn't pick up on that when I first watched Starship Troopers as a preteen. I just thought it was a badly choreographed action film with cheesy writing and excellent animatronics. Going back and watching it again as an adult, it sure does hit different. I really wondered how I missed the constant fascist elements, right down to the military dress uniforms that were just SS uniforms with a couple of minor tweaks. Verhoeven really hits the viewer over the head, but evidently it was too subtle for the viewing audience. Changed my opinion from 'lousy popcorn flick' to 'excellent social commentary.'
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Starship Troopers the book is basically Heinlein getting a hard on for ‘national service’ and how awesome it is to be a cog in a great machine. The movie takes that literally and shows ‘buddy-look how nightmarish this worldview really is.’ But funnily enough that went over a lot of peoples heads at the time. Also who could forget the co-ed shower scene.
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To contribute: If anyone wants some interesting Star Wars history. The Death Star trench run is heavily influenced by the British WWII movie The Dam Busters (1955). But many people never heard or seen the movie. My guess is that it’s because in the film there is a dog owned by one of the commanding officers named the N word with hard R. And many many many characters yell out the pupper’s name to give him pets. It’s both hilarious and unnerving the first time you experience it.
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Ritz On Toppa Ritz posted:To contribute: TIL that's why the Daryl the Nazi likes that movie in Peep Show. 
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Ritz On Toppa Ritz posted:Starship Troopers the book is basically Heinlein getting a hard on for ‘national service’ and how awesome it is to be a cog in a great machine. the movie was released four years before 2001 and people were quoting it when they wanted to sign up for the war in Afghanistan and it got played a lot on basic cable channels along with other films that were gearing up for that kind of war environment with a justification of 'they could maybe possibly be planning on attacking us' (True Lies, Top Gun, etc) you'll also notice that Starship Troopers didn't have any actual military assets or uniforms, everything is fake future stuff, which went against the norm in Hollywood. films are allowed to use real military tanks, vehicles, weapons, even uniforms For Free, which is a great way to make the most out of a budget, but with the added caveat that the Pentagon gets final say in a films script and can make whatever edits or revisions they want its a great example of satire that is well made and an audience that does not even attempt to look at it critically because it looked like everything else that was being released  (the terrorists wanted to steal the bearer bonds but no one asked why a corporation even had them in the first place and yet the FBI did nothing but help the terrorist's plot so that the money would become part of the global black market)
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i'm willing to believe that die hard was much more accidental satire just because the movie's primary hook is "the hero is not wearing shoes". in order to make someone like that look like the Big drat Hero it's basically a requirement that everyone around him be the most useless or malicious piece of poo poo imaginable.
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I've posted about this before, but if the Starship Troopers movie trips you out in the post 9/11 world, I cannot recommend the novel of Wag the Dog enough. Forget the movie (1997), the book (1993, get a newer copy tho) is 90% different. It's not about a fake president starting a fake war, it's about GHWB faking Desert Storm to win a second term. As it says in the forword, after 9/11 it's like the GWB admin bought a copy of the book and used it like a manual for Afghanistan and Iraq. It's half funny noir thriller pagetuner, half absolutely horrifying reckoning of greedy, manipulative, American tribalism.
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GWB building the torment nexus
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Ritz On Toppa Ritz posted:To contribute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M This one has a bit of creative editing, but still... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMfBKrdErY Genesplicer fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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In Starship Troopers, early on you get this scene of dead mormon missionaries having built an illegal colony and you're told the bugs killed them. Then later on you see how bugs actually kill people by ripping them apart and gets pretty clear the illegal colony was killed off by the government.
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Ritz On Toppa Ritz posted:To contribute: All true, except the part about many people never seeing or heard of it. Surely it's one of the most famous British movies ever, and scenes from it are included in Pink Floyd The Wall, another very well known and remembered movie. The doggo's name is pretty bad yeah, but that's what them was like back then. 68-year-old spoiler: the dog dies
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Das Boo posted:I used to think the ending of Grease was good because ONJ looks hot as hell, but now I think the message to change your identity for your scummy boyfriend is bad maybe? 3 A.M. Radio posted:I remember on high school I had an English teacher who HATED Grease, for that exact reason. He thought it had a terrible message, and I don't think he's wrong. From pages ago, BUT I'm not trying to defend Grease of all things or anything, cause the movie does a terrible job of showing it. But at the end when they're at the fair and Sandra is wearing all the sexy clothes, Danny is also there in a letterman's jacket because he "lettered in track" after he started running track and field at some point earlier in the film. So the movie is trying to say something like 'they met in the middle and changed for each other - Danny lettered in track and learned to apply himself, and Sandra ... well started dressing sexy for Danny' I guess? It's not great, but not quite as bad as people think?
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Didn’t she also pick up smoking?
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Which is cool as hell!
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doing things for other people is called being selfless and it's good
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note to self: smoking is selfless and cool as hell
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Montague Tigg posted:note to self: smoking is selfless and cool as hell This but unironically.
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Montague Tigg posted:note to self: smoking is selfless and cool as hell Smoking cigarettes is awesome it shows you understand the power of consumer capitalism and chose to thrive under it rather than pointlessly resisting.
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Yeah, you all say that but now she's dead!
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