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Extra Large Marge posted:When I was younger I thought there was some kind of secret meaning or symbolism in "The Shining". But when I watch it now all I see is that the house is haunted and Jack is a piece of poo poo, weak willed, alcoholic. If you take out the paranormal bits it's just a story about man taking his family to a conveniently remote location so he can try to murder suicide them. Ralph Hurley posted:I always thought the “Be Our Guest” part was troubling because you have sentient objects like the Lumiere and Cogsworth who get to have arms and legs and faces and personalities but then there are hundreds of semi sentient plates and spoons and knives that can dance and hop around but have no features. Were they like the lowly peasant class who also got swept up in the curse and had all their humanity erased? Makes you wonder if those objects were once people but were so far gone by the time the spell was broken that they did not return to being human, I haven't watched it in a long time but I'm pretty sure I remember there being more living objects than restored people at the end.
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limp_cheese posted:Same. I still love that movie but I absolutely believe now that the humans were the aggressor and purposely let that meteor through. A) Admit that the big expensive military is not actually very good at protecting against stuff from space B) Blame the bugs and have a popularity boosting patriotic war
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as a kid, watching Beauty and the Beast, I really hated what the prince looked like. I remember writing some poem in high school (This was way before I knew furries existed.) where Belle was utterly repulsed when he became human, because if she wanted a sexy dude, she could have married Gaston. You want an ugly Beast, like instead of a bear dog thing, make him look like an extra from District 9. Then Shrek came along and I was cool with it, because Shrek loved Fiona no matter what she looked like. And in the sequel she clearly prefers him as an ogre because that's what he is, and making him be human would be cruel.
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bucketybuck posted:Watching "Escape from New York" again last night, and it used to be cool as hell that bad rear end Snake Plissken pulled a switch on the president at the end and ruined the big conference speech that they were so desperate to broadcast. The one thing that gets to me now that I'm older is a simple question. Why would we convert the most expensive real estate in the United States into a prison? There would have to be some land somewhere, an island off the coast, maybe, that would be a better location. Like maybe Block Island or Shelter Island. Both are nearby, and at least the size of Manhattan, and would be much cheaper to buy and convert.
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Genesplicer posted:The one thing that gets to me now that I'm older is a simple question. Why would we convert the most expensive real estate in the United States into a prison? There would have to be some land somewhere, an island off the coast, maybe, that would be a better location. Like maybe Block Island or Shelter Island. Both are nearby, and at least the size of Manhattan, and would be much cheaper to buy and convert. Internal film logic: the city is so far gone with crime that it's easier to wall it off than it is to clean up. External box office logic: "Escape From Block Island".
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Jun 23, 2023 06:45
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Genesplicer posted:The one thing that gets to me now that I'm older is a simple question. Why would we convert the most expensive real estate in the United States into a prison? There would have to be some land somewhere, an island off the coast, maybe, that would be a better location. Like maybe Block Island or Shelter Island. Both are nearby, and at least the size of Manhattan, and would be much cheaper to buy and convert. The movie is a documentary of what will happen when the commercial real estate market implodes. The huge majority of what raises the costs there has nothing to do with its physical location or natural resources, so gotta do something to make money on the land once work from home sets in as standard
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Jun 23, 2023 11:40
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Genesplicer posted:The one thing that gets to me now that I'm older is a simple question. Why would we convert the most expensive real estate in the United States into a prison? There would have to be some land somewhere, an island off the coast, maybe, that would be a better location. Like maybe Block Island or Shelter Island. Both are nearby, and at least the size of Manhattan, and would be much cheaper to buy and convert. The same reason most zombie infestations take place in england: islands are easier to shut off and answer all "why is this so localized" complaints
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Zugzwang posted:When I saw that movie in theaters as a dumb teenager, I thought "But the bugs attacked us! We need to defend ourselves!!" I think Heinlein played it straight (I.e. earth was only acting in defense/justified), but Verhoeven made it more ambiguous to subvert the patriotic theme
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Genesplicer posted:The one thing that gets to me now that I'm older is a simple question. Why would we convert the most expensive real estate in the United States into a prison? the time when escape from ny was made was basically the peak of a major crime wave in nyc, even though technically there was a lot of expensive real estate in manhattan the city was generally perceived as a "dangerous hellhole" by much of the public at the time. the period when times sq was famously full of strip joints and porn theatres instead of the high tech billboards and disney and lego stores that are there today Earwicker fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Brother Tadger posted:I think Heinlein played it straight (I.e. earth was only acting in defense/justified), but Verhoeven made it more ambiguous to subvert the patriotic theme I'm not sure. Heinlein wrote it in the first person. The whole story is a flashback, when Jonny is fighting the skinnies. The problems were still there, and smarter people than me have analysed it. 
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Brother Tadger posted:I think Heinlein played it straight (I.e. earth was only acting in defense/justified), but Verhoeven made it more ambiguous to subvert the patriotic theme Just from the movie though, it's not clear at all why the bugs would give a gently caress about us if we weren't bothering them. They weren't spacefaring (aside from being able to shoot stuff into space and mayyyybe manipulate meteors), so there was no obvious reason why they'd have anything to gain by attacking us. Unless they were just being assholes.
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Zugzwang posted:I'll have to read the book; I've heard it's pretty different from the movie. It ain't like the movie. Dizzy is another man in power armor, who died against the skinnies
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in the movie it is pretty unambiguous that the bugs WOULDN'T care about humanity if they were left alone. but in the book it's much less obvious/not explicitly stated/completely downplayed (the exact words depend on how you read it) that humanity is led by a fascist inner circle that has no regard for life of any stripe. a bug is never, at any point, depicted as harming a human that is not actively attempting to kill it or invade its territory. in the movie, the bugs are simply on land that the fascist government wants. end of story.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Been watching scenes from The Last Unicorn on YouTube. I didn't recall the melancholy vibe it has, I might need to watch the whole thing Cowslips Warren posted:I like how, even when you first start watching the last unicorn, there's that melancholy sense over the entire movie. You know that no matter how it ends, it's not going to be a Disney happily ever after, the prince probably isn't going to get the princess, and just in the beginning you're not sure if the unicorn is really the last or is your refines anymore. The entire sense of the movie is almost doom and gloom with a tiny bit of hope, and even with the technical good ending, it's not a happy ending by any means. I think schmendrick says it best, that there are no happy endings because nothing ever ends. That melancholy vibe is straight from the novel which deals a lot with aging (and the regrets that come with it) being a thing you should embrace and not avoid. For instance, the movie doesn't come out and tell you that Schmendrick's teacher cursed him with immortality until he learns to control his magic, and he truly considers it a curse. Dunning Krugerrand fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Coolguye posted:in the movie it is pretty unambiguous that the bugs WOULDN'T care about humanity if they were left alone. but in the book it's much less obvious/not explicitly stated/completely downplayed (the exact words depend on how you read it) that humanity is led by a fascist inner circle that has no regard for life of any stripe. a bug is never, at any point, depicted as harming a human that is not actively attempting to kill it or invade its territory. Even in the movie, the colonist moved into a known bug planet. So, yeah, you were right
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i havent read that book or seen that movie but im pretty sure that irl, in the long run, this planet we are on right now is also a bug planet
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I for one welcome our new insect overlords
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Earwicker posted:i havent read that book or seen that movie but im pretty sure that irl, in the long run, this planet we are on right now is also a bug planet an ugly planet
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Yeah, it's been so long since I've seen it, but in retrospect it's very obvious that humans are invading their territory. Our Heroes even went to a loving human military base that we'd built on one of their worlds.
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Yeah, I wouldn't suggest reading the Starship Troopers book unless you thought the classroom debate scene in the movie should have been half the run time and that they should constantly flashback to it throughout the movie. The book also had some weird sexual politics. poo poo like woman can only serve in the fleet, the male troopers never interact with them, and the women's quarters are behind several armed security checkpoints. I think all women needed to shave their heads too? Its one of the few cases where the movie is unquestionably better than the book. Edit: I almost forget that the Mobile Infantry is seen as special forces and they all wear power armor. Casualties are also rare and Dizzy dying in the first chapter during a raid is seen as a Big Deal. limp_cheese fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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limp_cheese posted:Yeah, I wouldn't suggest reading the Starship Troopers book unless you thought the classroom debate scene in the movie should have been half the run time and that they should constantly flashback to it throughout the movie. absolutely. It has been a while since i read the book, but Jonny did chase her into service, but the only interaction they had afterwards was when he met her years later when she was a commander, and was surprised that she shaved her head. I'm probably wrong. been a long time since I read the book that inspired Warhammer 40k
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In the movie I think I get the impression that the government wants war, not land. The land is irrelevant. Continual societal control by means of "service guarantees citizenship" is the true and only goal.
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GolfHole posted:In the movie I think I get the impression that the government wants war, not land. The land is irrelevant. Continual societal control by means of "service guarantees citizenship" is the true and only goal. Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today
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In the book I got the impression everybody just wants to jump around in fancy suits and they're disappointed when other species can jump higher without them.
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Did you guys know that Michael Ironside gave up being Sam Fisher because he is a pacifist? That's Rasczak if you didn't know. Might tell you something about the intent of the movie
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:Did you guys know that Michael Ironside gave up being Sam Fisher because he is a pacifist? That's Rasczak if you didn't know. Might tell you something about the intent of the movie I thought he gave it up because he had aggressive cancer
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Convex posted:I thought he gave it up because he had aggressive cancer that probably didn't help, but I heard he gave it up because there was no way to finish a mission without killing someone
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olives black posted:would you dare to say that it's an artless brand of fascist propaganda not sure ide call it propaganda but its definatly edgelord teenage poo poo that is not in line with my current polticial beliefs now that im not an edgelord teenage contrarian. i also dont see the facism in it but i havent watched it in about 15 yrs or longer. and the last time i had rewatched it i was like wtf oh right i was very stupid for very long. if anything is propaganda in the movie to me its trying to make catholicism cool. snergle fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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I've told this anecdote in other threads but Back when I was an impressionable youth and saw Starship Troopers and wanted to join the mobile infantry too (because kids who watch that movie almost all get the message wrong), the army recruiter I talked to told me that it was the most commonly-cited movie amongst potential recruits. Star Trek coming up second. I did not end up joining the military, but it was in no part thanks to Starship Troopers.
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I’m pretty sure Starship Troopers (the book) was primarily used as a recruiting tool. It was on the required reading list at West Point, I think.
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snergle posted:not sure ide call it propaganda but its definatly edgelord teenage poo poo that is not in line with my current polticial beliefs now that im not an edgelord teenage contrarian. i also dont see the facism in it but i havent watched it in about 15 yrs or longer. and the last time i had rewatched it i was like wtf oh right i was very stupid for very long. for a while we all just watched for the shower scene
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:for a while we all just watched for the shower scene i watched it for the execution scene with the cool catholic tattoos and guns. =( like i said very dumb.
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snergle posted:i watched it for the execution scene with the cool catholic tattoos and guns. =( like i said very dumb. do you mean the whipping scene? Are we talking about the same movie?
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snergle posted:i watched it for the execution scene with the cool catholic tattoos and guns. =( like i said very dumb.
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Zugzwang posted:Are you talking about Boondock Saints? It was really cool when he dropped that toilet on the Russian
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Zugzwang posted:Are you talking about Boondock Saints? i am.
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Oh ya we're totally having 2 different conversations here, lol. Frasier IRL
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snergle posted:i am. Alright Rambo
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Did the starship troopers book also have Joe smith on the loving moon? I still lol thinking about that random mention in the movie.
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I'm 90% certain as an adult that no President in my lifetime could successfully retake Air Force One from terrorists.
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