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ThinkTank posted:Hey he became friends with McDavid and got really overpaid and then the Oilers had to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get rid of him. That's something too. They traded a first in that they traded the 29th pick for the 32nd but man that contract fuckin sucked from the jump.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:They traded a first in that they traded the 29th pick for the 32nd but man that contract fuckin sucked from the jump. Being friends with Connor is the most lucrative position in sports.
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a neat cape posted:I am a Ducks fan and very sad that we did not get Bedard. Emetic Hustler posted:Fantilli would be #1 if no Bedard in the draft. From what they say he is also a franchise center and really really good. Has a size too. IIRC, Fantilli would be the number one pick from the last few drafts, too. One of the reasons why it paid to be bad this season, was because even if you missed out on Bedard, Fantilli is right there. And then you have Michkov/Carlsson/Smith as great consolation prizes. Before last season, I thought Anaheim was set-up pretty well for the future with Zegras and Drysdale, to go along with some other nice pieces (Terry, McTavish, along with some other good prospects). Now they are adding Fantilli? Wow.
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AntiDepressor posted:Looks like a down year for rad names. I know Quentin Musty is expected to go in the first round, and it looks like there’s a dude named Matthew Mania in the 2nd/3rd. But it doesn’t seem like the usual bumper crop of names among the Aidens and the Kaydens. I thought so too, we were really spoiled with an all-timer like Jagger Firkus last year. Looking closer there's some decent ones though: Boston Buckberger Hoyt Stanley Hugo Hell Salvatore Guzzo Roman Kukumberg Matthew Mania Zaccharya Wisdom Will Vote Lucas Stockselius
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Szechwan posted:Roman Kukumberg Goddamn that's a blast from the past. I hope the Leafs draft this very creatively-named son of the all-time Toronto great. (for those unaware, Roman Kukumberg Sr. was like Toronto's Jiri Dopita, except he only scored 8 points in 54 career games in the AHL)
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Twin Cinema posted:IIRC, Fantilli would be the number one pick from the last few drafts, too. One of the reasons why it paid to be bad this season, was because even if you missed out on Bedard, Fantilli is right there. And then you have Michkov/Carlsson/Smith as great consolation prizes. If Michov wasn't Russian he'd be right up there with Fantilli with Winger vs. Center being the crux of the debate. From what all the scouts say, Michov is the only one even close to Bedard. eXXon posted:Goddamn that's a blast from the past. I hope the Leafs draft this very creatively-named son of the all-time Toronto great. How the gently caress does Roman Kukemberg have a son old enough to be draft eligible? Edit: oh, he was super overaged. He was drafted the same year as Ovie/Malkin but he's 43. pseudodragon fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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pseudodragon posted:If Michov wasn't Russian he'd be right up there with Fantilli with Winger vs. Center being the crux of the debate. From what all the scouts say, Michov is the only one even close to Bedard. You’re right. My problem with Michkov is that I mentally put him below Fantilli because no one thinks he’s going to be drafted that high because of Russia.
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Twin Cinema posted:You’re right. My problem with Michkov is that I mentally put him below Fantilli because no one thinks he’s going to be drafted that high because of Russia. Yeah, I don't think Anaheim (or anyone in their position would have the balls toactually take him but at the same time, if they did, I don't think it would be a mistake talent wise. Like from a Ducks fan perspective I'd be like "Holy poo poo, that's a hell of a gamble, but let's go!" Rather than "WTF, fire everyone!". pseudodragon fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Jun 21, 2023 |
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I will be surprised when the Sharks skip Michkov. Feels like they are the type of team that can afford to wait on his talent. I mean, it's not a huge drop from Michkov to either Carlsson or Smith, but Michkov is just that much better as a prospect.
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If you believe his early stats, he's basically Russian Bedard.pre:Age League GP G A PTS 2018-19 14 U16 7 7 3 10 2019-20 15 U16 26 70 39 109 2020-21 16 MHL 56 38 18 56 2021-23 17 MHL 28 30 21 51 2022-23 18 KHL 30 9 11 20
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All of the NHL equivalency models I’ve looked at put Michkov in the same tier as Bedard. Is this fair? Is there any reason to believe the models are wrong on Michkov? Because if he’s as good as the models say I think Washington needs to do everything they can to trade up for him. Or better yet just have teams 3-7 be morons and pass on him.
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Here are the stats of recent Russian players in thier pre-draft season in the KHL/RSLpre:GP G A PTS PTS/GM Michkov 27 9 11 20 0.7407407407 Cherepanov 47 18 11 29 0.6170212766 Tarasenko 42 13 11 24 0.5714285714 Ovechkin 53 13 10 23 0.4339622642 Panarin 20 1 7 8 0.4 Malkin 34 3 9 12 0.3529411765 Nichushkin 18 4 2 6 0.3333333333 Kaprizov 31 4 4 8 0.2580645161 Kuznetsov 35 2 7 9 0.2571428571 Kucherov 8 0 2 2 0.25 Buchnevich 12 1 1 2 0.1666666667 Gurianov 8 0 1 1 0.125 Dadonov 24 1 1 2 0.0833333333
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There's a big difference in KHL teams. Michkov's success with Sochi is a good sign, but he was loaned from SKA because he couldn't get playing time. His numbers are nothing like Ovie's with Dynamo Moscow at the same age. Sochi were the worst team in the league this year, and that includes Kulun Red Star. He got force fed top line ice time and powerplay opportunity as SKA use Sochi as a defacto farm team. I wouldn't read too much into his numbers there, and the reports from early in the season with SKA were he looked out of place.
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I really don't understand the Russian development model where the best rookies either demolish the MHL or get 4 minutes per game for the KHL's better teams but I guess it works just not for defensemen at all. (yeah I guess some play in the VHL a lot but scouts are never impressed by good results there)
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Bob is revealing the top 32 people on his list on TV now with an additional 64 coming out later today I believe. EDIT: list here https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/1671910978705846273?t=jP4991aFRzurmibJHJA2nA&s=19 whatis fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/thesickpodcasts/status/1671270448410050561 Don't gently caress up the draft you assholes
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I love all these moron teams that are gonna pass up Michkov because they're too impatient to wait for him to come over.
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Ginette Reno posted:I love all these moron teams that are gonna pass up Michkov because they're too impatient to wait for him to come over. It would be real dumb for SJ, Montreal, and Philly to pass him over for that. They aren’t gonna be competitive anytime soon, and Smith/Leonard/Reinbacher/Benson are going to take a couple years to break into the NHL anyway.
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grack posted:I just want the Canucks to draft someone who isn't terrible. Are there any twins they can shuffle some picks around to draft this year? Seems to be one of the few things they can do. 
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grack posted:I just want the Canucks to draft someone who isn't terrible. Prepare yourself to be solidly whelmed by safe picks Tom Wallinder or Nate Danielson. Neither will rise about the bottom pairing or bottom six but boy will they appear in some NHL games.
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Stiev Awt posted:I think I still want Smith anyway, but the habs are one of the few teams that can afford to sit on Michkov's development for a couple years. In fact, whoever they take is gonna need the same amount of time. I'd also prefer one of the centres, but at this point it doesn't feel particularly likely and it'd be insane for them to pass on someone with Michkov's potential
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It is beyond unlikely that Michkov falls to Detroit but if he does and they don't pick him I will absolutely lose my poo poo Will also be underwhelmed if they pick a defenseman at 9, but there's a good 10+ players I'd be perfectly happy with them taking
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When asked to name his dream linemates Bedard came up with Crosby and Eberle. He could've picked anyone from history. He truly is the next McDavid. Also because there's nothing to talk about Patrick Allvin did a press conference the other day where he specifically mentioned they were exploring moving up in the draft. It's not gonna happen, but it would be the most Canucks thing ever for the team to totally blow their draft position by overplaying the poo poo out of their stars in meaningless games only to give up significant assets to move back there.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:It is beyond unlikely that Michkov falls to Detroit but if he does and they don't pick him I will absolutely lose my poo poo I would like Detroit to take Tom Willander specifically to pair him with William Wallinder
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tinstaach posted:I would like Detroit to take Tom Willander specifically to pair him with William Wallinder Poor Mickey.
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Duck Rodgers posted:Bédard grew up during a time when the world juniors was the most important hockey in Canada. Someone post the clip of Eberle scoring the big tying goal and Gord miller has a great call, and then Pierre Maguire jumps in and ruins it. He was three years old when that goal happened. Eberle is just a beloved Regina Pat and he plays for Regina.
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Mike_V posted:It sucks that this year is loaded with forwards at the top end and not really any defenders (who seem to be grading out as Fine) because the defense in the Blues system is empty that means it's a perfect year to take a flyer on someone in the 4th round, because one of them is guaranteed to be an hhof lock down the line. the question is just whether your team gets them or not.
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Mike_V posted:It sucks that this year is loaded with forwards at the top end and not really any defenders (who seem to be grading out as Fine) because the defense in the Blues system is empty Sandin-Pellika could still be there for the blues, and he could be real good. Probably a higher ceiling than Reinbacher and Willander.
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AntiDepressor posted:Sandin-Pellika could still be there for the blues, and he could be real good. Probably a higher ceiling than Reinbacher and Willander. I feel like the defenders this year are being heavily overrated because surely there has to be a quality defenceman in every draft class? None of Wallinder, ASP or Reinbacher have put up particularly eye-catching totals that would justify using a high pick, but it feels like a few teams are thinking that they have to. This is a year for forwards but some team is gonna end up with a Juolevi because you gotta take a defenceman in the top ten.
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