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ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

"NASA data experts have translated the stream to an image format, and .. oh god, what is that man doing to his anus?"

A NASA scientist pours over the data, assembling the image carefully. They check, and double-check. They frown. "No ring," they sigh. They delete the image.

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Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

ScienceAlert posted:

In this case, the glitch is coming from a disruption in communication between one of three computers onboard, called the probe's flight data system (FDS), and one of the probe's subsystems: the telemetry modulation unit (TMU).

The Soviets just used hamster wheels

Although I suppose hamster feed for 50 years would weigh more than an atomic pile, or at least go bad sooner. And what if the hamsters eat their young en-route? Tsk.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

quote:

Beyond the Oort Cloud, on the distant edges of the Kuiper Belt, both probes will inevitably fall silent as the power of their generators run out of juice.

Isn’t the Kuiper Belt like light years closer to the sun than the Oort Cloud?

There’s no way we’re still getting Voyager data in a thousand years or whenever that thing hits the Oort Cloud.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

I AM GRANDO posted:

Isn’t the Kuiper Belt like light years closer to the sun than the Oort Cloud?

There’s no way we’re still getting Voyager data in a thousand years or whenever that thing hits the Oort Cloud.

Nah, not like light years, more like within 1 lightyear.

(checking)

Ok, well maybe like 3 light years at most. It's kinda unclear.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

The NASA website says it'll take Voyager 1 about 300 years to reach our side of the Oort cloud, and I'm not about to check their math.

NASA posted:

The inner edge of the Oort Cloud, however, is thought to be located between 2,000 and 5,000 AU from the Sun, with the outer edge being located somewhere between 10,000 and 100,000 AU from the Sun.

If those distances are difficult to visualize, you can instead use time as your ruler. At its current speed of about a million miles a day, NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft won't enter the Oort Cloud for about 300 years. And it won’t exit the outer edge for maybe 30,000 years.

I don't think Voyager will have juice left then, hamsters or no. But on the positive side, there won't be radio telescopes on a burning Earth either to receive any space messages :haw:

vortmax
Sep 24, 2008

In meteorology, vorticity often refers to a measurement of the spin of horizontally flowing air about a vertical axis.
I guess New Shepherd 24 is launching today at 8:30AM CST
https://www.blueorigin.com/

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

DrSunshine posted:

Nah, not like light years, more like within 1 lightyear.

(checking)

Ok, well maybe like 3 light years at most. It's kinda unclear.

Oort Clouds are kind of weird with their dimensions. Are solar systems just mixing at the edges? (At 3 light years, you'd be deep inside the Oort Cloud of Alpha Centauri, though it's fun to imagine Alpha Centaurians invading because they mapped their own Oort Cloud so extensively they're now claiming Earth belongs to them since occasionally comets from their OC smashed into our planet.)

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

So Futurama :nixon: was right, we do need a Dyson fence :hmmyes:

And presumably Alpha Centauri is going to pay for it.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
God imagine the tedious interstellar politics of the future - it’s all property line disputes over where whose Oort Cloud ends where like neighbors disagreeing over the placement of a fence or tree.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Look Ort owns that cloud fair and square and not Alpha Centauri nor Earth can take it away from them. :colbert:

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006
A rogue planet passes through the oort cloud right on the divider line between Sol and AC. The ensuing property claims dispute kicks off a 20 millennia long total war blood feud, laying waste to both systems. All orbital bodies have been reduced to a size no larger than an asteroid.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Dameius posted:

A rogue planet passes through the oort cloud right on the divider line between Sol and AC. The ensuing property claims dispute kicks off a 20 millennia long total war blood feud, laying waste to both systems. All orbital bodies have been reduced to a size no larger than an asteroid.

This except it's 40K years of legal claims and countersuits in Galactic Civil Court, with the same end effect.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


NASA just tested sending high bandwidth data streams from deep space via laser

They used a cat video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWa7WWA8YsE

his name is Taters and I love him :kimchi:

Taters did not go into space for the test

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I like when space test don't kill adorable pets!

Also that sounds like it could be really useful. I remember looking up the bandwidth we have available communicating with Mars and telescopes space ways and stuff, and yeah it's really not all that much, which for some stuff can be really limiting. Like for the James Webb Telescope, it seems like the speed it can send information is actually a bit of a limiting factor in how much it can be utilized.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
Good to know that future Mars astronauts will be able to access PornHub to accompany them on their long 6-month trip! :v:

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

DrSunshine posted:

Good to know that future Mars astronauts will be able to access PornHub to accompany them on their long 6-month trip! :v:

They'll definitely have some stored locally on a NAS disk, that's an essential need that has to be covered there :sickos:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_sexology

quote:

Dubé and colleagues (2021) proposed that technological systems and guidelines enabling intimacy and sexuality in the limiting artificial ecosystems of space will need to be created.[1] They describe that these systems and guidelines will likely need to be designed to be both safe and hygienic, similar to the already established systems in place for other basic needs such as eating and grooming.[1] They also suggest that this challenge can be addressed by space organizations by considering the use of sexual technology adapted for space to meet the intimate needs of their astronauts, such as erotic stimuli, sex toys, and artificial erotic agents (e.g., virtual partners, erotic chatbots, and sex robots).[1]

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

dr_rat posted:

I like when space test don't kill adorable pets!

Also that sounds like it could be really useful. I remember looking up the bandwidth we have available communicating with Mars and telescopes space ways and stuff, and yeah it's really not all that much, which for some stuff can be really limiting. Like for the James Webb Telescope, it seems like the speed it can send information is actually a bit of a limiting factor in how much it can be utilized.

As I'm making this post, JWST is communicating with DSS 56 in Madrid at a rate of 28.00Mb/s 11.271 second per packet latency though :v:.

When I first found out about that site I remember I was keeping it open to the side all day and caught one of the dishes talking to something orbiting or passing Phobos at 2Mb/s which I thought was pretty impressive.

Dameius fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Dec 20, 2023

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Dameius posted:

As I'm making this post, JWST is communicating with DSS 56 in Madrid at a rate of 28.00Mb/s 11.271 second per packet latency though :v:.

Oh cool site! Apparently Voyager 2 is talking to a Canberra at 40 b/per second, which for something 20.3 billion k's away is pretty impressive.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


come on, i know canberra is remote but it's not *that* far away :dumbrim:

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Another Moon mission launched today:

The Guardian posted:

The Peregrine 1 lander carrying Nasa scientific equipment is on its way to the moon after a successful launch of the Vulcan Centaur rocket at Cape Canaveral. It marks the first launch of the powerful new rocket built by the Boeing-Lockheed venture United Launch Alliance, and an attempt to make the first US lunar soft landing in 50 years. Built by the space robotics firm Astrobotic, the Peregrine lunar lander launched at 7.18 GMT, aiming to become the first lunar landing by a private firm – a feat that has proved elusive in recent years.

Peregrine is set to land on 23 February and will seek to gather data about the lunar surface ahead of planned future human missions. It is the first mission to fly under Nasa’s commercial lunar payload services (CLPS) initiative, a scheme in which the space agency pays private companies to deliver scientific equipment to the moon.

Peregrine carries five Nasa payloads and 15 others. Its instruments will measure radiation levels, surface and subsurface water ice, the magnetic field, and the extremely tenuous layer of gas called the exosphere. [...] Also onboard are the first Latin American scientific instruments attempting to reach the surface of the moon. Five small moon rovers, each weighing less than 60g and measuring 12cm across will be deployed. Carnegie Mellon University has a rover onboard as well.

[...]More controversially, the lander contains non-scientific payloads, including a physical coin “loaded with one bitcoin” and a Japanese “lunar dream capsule” that contains 185,872 messages from children from around the world. [...] As well as the lunar lander, the mission is also delivering a memorial payload into space containing the remains and DNA of several people associated with the Star Trek television franchise, including the actors James Doohan, DeForest Kelley and Nichelle Nichols.

The tiny rovers sound adorable, but do we really need bitcoin in space? :hmmno:

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Rappaport posted:

Another Moon mission launched today:

The tiny rovers sound adorable, but do we really need bitcoin in space? :hmmno:

Using the blockchain to tether the moon so they can use their diamond hands to reach it easier.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

I hate that they've obviously done this for the "to the moon" memes. Hope some astronaut finds that crap and stomps it.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Rappaport posted:

Another Moon mission launched today:

The tiny rovers sound adorable, but do we really need bitcoin in space? :hmmno:

Couldn't they have launched about a dozen more kg of actual useful stuff for the ~$45k worth in BTC that stunt cost? :geno:

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


DrSunshine posted:

Couldn't they have launched about a dozen more kg of actual useful stuff for the ~$45k worth in BTC that stunt cost? :geno:

There'd be heat and power requirements for more equipment, having what amounts to a dollar coin taped to the lander probably isn't a massive deal.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Even if the buttcoin "coin" is just a dime-sized aluminum disc, I object to it on the grounds of it being trash. Rubbish. Literal garbage just strewn on the Moon for funsies by some of the most worthless morons humanity has produced. Sending a golden disc with nude people on is at least a symbol of reaching out.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Rappaport posted:

Even if the buttcoin "coin" is just a dime-sized aluminum disc, I object to it on the grounds of it being trash. Rubbish. Literal garbage just strewn on the Moon for funsies by some of the most worthless morons humanity has produced.

You're right, but we also put an American flag up there, planting worthless garbage was the first thing humanity did.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

As a non-American, I can give that one a pass since it came with a signed plaque saying it was really from all of us. I wouldn't want anyone (-thing?) believing anyone sensible endorsed a buttcoin coin :argh:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Richard Nixon’s signature being potentially the last surviving evidence of humanity is a big lol to me.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

Rappaport posted:

Even if the buttcoin "coin" is just a dime-sized aluminum disc, I object to it on the grounds of it being trash. Rubbish. Literal garbage just strewn on the Moon for funsies by some of the most worthless morons humanity has produced. Sending a golden disc with nude people on is at least a symbol of reaching out.

It's gonna be trash anyway, now:



But I get why they did it. If you can get some extra funding for your space science fair project by selling what would otherwise be empty space to some morons so they can put their little token on the moon, why not?

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

I understand that we live in the Bad Timeline since Marty and Doc didn't assassinate Ronald when he was a GE propaganda man, but it's the principle of the thing. As much as I'd rather sub-Lunar space not be turned into an eternal robotic battle-ground à la Lem's dystopias, I'd also prefer some random billionaire doesn't fund a space program with the caveat they carve Hitler's face on the Moon as a sideproject or what have you.

Of course the cynical response to the realist view is to say you shipped the buttcoin coin up there, but really didn't. What are the coiners going to do, go up there to check? :pseudo:

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Rappaport posted:

I understand that we live in the Bad Timeline since Marty and Doc didn't assassinate Ronald when he was a GE propaganda man, but it's the principle of the thing. As much as I'd rather sub-Lunar space not be turned into an eternal robotic battle-ground à la Lem's dystopias, I'd also prefer some random billionaire doesn't fund a space program with the caveat they carve Hitler's face on the Moon as a sideproject or what have you.

Of course the cynical response to the realist view is to say you shipped the buttcoin coin up there, but really didn't. What are the coiners going to do, go up there to check? :pseudo:

Being the next in line to scam cryptobros just makes you part of a trend, really.

Presto
Nov 22, 2002

Keep calm and Harry on.

I AM GRANDO posted:

Richard Nixon’s signature being potentially the last surviving evidence of humanity is a big lol to me.

The Voyager records will last longer.

011524_3
Jan 16, 2024
Everybody Loves Space

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
Mars is cold and thicc around the middle

https://www.space.com/mars-water-ice-equator-frozen-ocean


quote:

A European Space Agency (ESA) probe has found enough water to cover Mars in an ocean between 4.9 and 8.9 feet (1.5 and 2.7 meters) deep, buried in the form of dusty ice beneath the planet's equator.

The deposits are thick, extended 3.7km (2.3) miles underground, and topped by a crust of hardened ash and dry dust hundreds of meters thick. The ice is not a pure block but is heavily contaminated by dust. While its presence near the equator is a location more easily accessible to future crewed missions, being buried so deep means that accessing the water-ice would be difficult.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

I don't know why they called it SLIM, but little robots on the Moon, hooray!

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.
The article briefly mentions it, but Mars has glaciers remaining from the periods of high obliquity*, mostly on mountains at low/mid latitude. They really look like frozen-to-the-bed polar glaciers on Earth. Previously, they were thought to be pretty much all rock glaciers with just interstitial ice. However, some are probably mostly pure ice with a debris and/or salt cover (some people call those rock glaciers too, but they're pretty different than the interstitial ice kind).

*Mars' axial tilt variation is massive and mathematically chaotic. IIRC, obliquity before about 15 Mya is basically impossible to know.


Here's a Mars glacier (perspective generated from HiRISE) where you can see a lobe spreading out, complete with a terminal moraine:



c.f. a glacier in a similar situation in the McMurdo Dry Valleys:



https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glacial-geology/glaciers-on-other-planets/types-of-glaciers-on-mars/

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

cat botherer posted:

The article briefly mentions it, but Mars has glaciers remaining from the periods of high obliquity*, mostly on mountains at low/mid latitude. They really look like frozen-to-the-bed polar glaciers on Earth. Previously, they were thought to be pretty much all rock glaciers with just interstitial ice. However, some are probably mostly pure ice with a debris and/or salt cover (some people call those rock glaciers too, but they're pretty different than the interstitial ice kind).

*Mars' axial tilt variation is massive and mathematically chaotic. IIRC, obliquity before about 15 Mya is basically impossible to know.


Here's a Mars glacier (perspective generated from HiRISE) where you can see a lobe spreading out, complete with a terminal moraine:



c.f. a glacier in a similar situation in the McMurdo Dry Valleys:



https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glacial-geology/glaciers-on-other-planets/types-of-glaciers-on-mars/

extremely dope thanks

Glah
Jun 21, 2005

Huh, Mars Express is still trucking on after 20 years. And looking into it 2001 Mars Odyssey is also still doing science in orbit around Mars and is two years older. Pretty cool seeing two old timer probes going strong.

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Ionicpsycho
Dec 25, 2006
The Shortbus Avenger.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/01/darpa-partially-funded-quantum-space-drive-orbital-test.html

In other news, someone at DARPA said "sure, he's some pocket change, go nuts" over that drat EMDrive

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