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i've never read the unabomber manifesto before, and after ted kaczysnki's death this week, i felt that perhaps i should check it out i'm about a third of the way through https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm i love that wapo has maintained the page with the same styling as it had in its original 1995 publication, complete with CSS right in the html tags rather than a separate css file ted gets a little problematic by 21st century standards at times quote:45. Any of the foregoing symptoms can occur in any society, but in modern industrial society they are present on a massive scale. We aren’t the first to mention that the world today seems to be going crazy. This sort of thing is not normal for human societies. There is good reason to believe that primitive man suffered from less stress and frustration and was better satisfied with his way of life than modern man is. It is true that not all was sweetness and light in primitive societies. Abuse of women was common among the Australian aborigines, transexuality was fairly common among some of the American Indian tribes. But it does appear that GENERALLY SPEAKING the kinds of problems that we have listed in the preceding paragraph were far less common among primitive peoples than they are in modern society. quote:78. First, there doubtless are differences in the strength of the drive for power. Individuals with a weak drive for power may have relatively little need to go through the power process, or at least relatively little need for autonomy in the power process. These are docile types who would have been happy as plantation darkies in the Old South. (We don’t mean to sneer at the “plantation darkies” of the Old South. To their credit, most of the slaves were NOT content with their servitude. We do sneer at people who ARE content with servitude.) in a particularly dated reference, he discusses the US invasion of panama quote:83. Some people partly satisfy their need for power by identifying themselves with a powerful organization or mass movement. An individual lacking goals or power joins a movement or an organization, adopts its goals as his own, then works toward those goals. When some of the goals are attained, the individual, even though his personal efforts have played only an insignificant part in the attainment of the goals, feels (through his identification with the movement or organization) as if he had gone through the power process. This phenomenon was exploited by the fascists, nazis and communists. Our society uses it too, though less crudely. Example: Manuel Noriega was an irritant to the U.S. (goal: punish Noriega). The U.S. invaded Panama (effort) and punished Noriega (attainment of goal). Thus the U.S. went through the power process and many Americans, because of their identification with the U.S., experienced the power process vicariously. Hence the widespread public approval of the Panama invasion; it gave people a sense of power. [15] We see the same phenomenon in armies, corporations, political parties, humanitarian organizations, religious or ideological movements. In particular, leftist movements tend to attract people who are seeking to satisfy their need for power. But for most people identification with a large organization or a mass movement does not fully satisfy the need for power. what is your take on the unabomber? what was his deal? did the nyt and wapo do the right thing by publishing the manifesto at the threat of future bombings?
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I like that kaczynski's death dovetails timely into most of reddit going dark to protest changes to the api or monetization or something
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Jun 12, 2023 08:34
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The unabomber has been cancelled until they smarten up and release a womanifesto.
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Jun 12, 2023 10:24
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Sorry for my previous ableist post, I did not mean to imply that unintelligent people are mysoginst.
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Jun 12, 2023 10:25
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i opened the link OP but the first and 2nd sentence were already wrong so i closed it. i pray he got smarter before he died
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Jun 12, 2023 10:27
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Aglet56 posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm don't fix things that work, CSS wasn't released until 1996.
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Jun 12, 2023 10:27
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I also live a solo lifestyle in a cabin like Ted but inside it’s full of technology and high end gaming personal computer and a PlayStation 5 and I got big TV, 75 Inch OLED 8k. I send money , lots of money, to everyone and I try to spread to joys of capitalism like a hermit irl Santa clause to absolutely everyone
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Jun 12, 2023 11:08
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Weka posted:The unabomber has been cancelled until they smarten up and release a womanifesto. quote:“Broad” and “chick” were merely the feminine equivalents of “guy,” “dude” or “fellow”
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Jun 12, 2023 11:44
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Jun 12, 2023 11:44
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industrial society and its future has a very good analysis of goons in it. strong rec from me
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Jun 12, 2023 13:14
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i remember watching a documentary about him once and the thing that stood out to me was that the thing about gathering pubes from rest stops to put in his bombs as red herrings was very funny
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Jun 12, 2023 13:16
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he's really lucky he got the nickname the unabomber and not The Pube Collector
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Jun 12, 2023 13:17
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This guy killed 3 people in 20 years? Really not that impressive. Feels like I'm looking up baseball player stats from the early 1900s.
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Jun 12, 2023 13:20
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"Ted why are you gathering pubes from public bathrooms? For bombs that's pretty crazy bro" "uh yeah...for bombs. that's it"
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Jun 12, 2023 13:21
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Woke Mind Virus posted:This guy killed 3 people in 20 years? Really not that impressive. Feels like I'm looking up baseball player stats from the early 1900s. Those are rookie numbers compared to today's mass shooters
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Jun 12, 2023 13:29
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Nothus posted:Those are rookie numbers compared to today's mass shooters lol some 4chan kid not even old enough to buy porn and smokes puts up higher numbers and a more widely read manifesto every other month
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Jun 12, 2023 13:31
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spacemang_spliff posted:lol some 4chan kid not even old enough to buy porn and smokes puts up higher numbers and a more widely read manifesto every other month
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Jun 12, 2023 13:37
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The worst person in the Unabomber story is his piece of poo poo brother who snitched on him. Lower than dirt fuckin worm.
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Jun 12, 2023 13:50
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pretty sure the worst person in the story is hte unabomber op
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Jun 12, 2023 13:52
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surrounded by debris and body parts "can you believe someone fuckin snitched??"
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Jun 12, 2023 13:55
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spacemang_spliff posted:lol some 4chan kid not even old enough to buy porn and smokes puts up higher numbers and a more widely read manifesto every other month If baseball has to asterisk the steroid era, we're going to need to asterisk the AR15 and social media era.
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Jun 12, 2023 14:02
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go for a stroll posted:The worst person in the Unabomber story is his piece of poo poo brother who snitched on him. Lower than dirt fuckin worm. I think the deranged incel murderer is probably the bad guy here. It's not like kaczysnki was targeting rich people who actually have culpability in destroying the earth. He was blowing up mathematicians and engineering professors because he got mad there were people building stuff near his cabin. Why not blow up the people clear cutting the forest? He was a hosed up drydick moron who wanted an excuse to blow people up and couldn't even come up with a coherent one. Plus half the time he just blew up a secretary or something
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Jun 12, 2023 14:17
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I'm anti Unabomber now
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Jun 12, 2023 14:21
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the unabombers moral crime was acting individually instead of building a democratic organization of like-minded interests. the very liberalism he railed against...
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Jun 12, 2023 14:22
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i don't think people actually endorse any specific thoughts or actions of the unabomber, he's just become the locus of a lot of anti-establishment angst because: 1. got MK Ultra'd as a child genius at harvard (closest thing to a real life supervillain backstory we have) 2. got turned in by his brother to The Feds instead of being caught due to a more direct slip-up (sympathetic) 3. basically stayed out of the spotlight after being arrested (in contrast to like Charles Manson, who would periodically get interviewed to say more crazy poo poo)
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Jun 12, 2023 14:38
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4. pube gatherer
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Jun 12, 2023 14:40
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I'm not saying the Unabomber was good I'm saying his brother was worse. I'm not even saying family trumps all civic obligation but if it's ongoing poo poo that must be stopped having the feds do your dirty work and condemning them to life in prison is a chicken poo poo move.
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Jun 12, 2023 14:41
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croup coughfield posted:the unabombers moral crime was acting individually instead of building a democratic organization of like-minded interests. the very liberalism he railed against... one of the many ways in which the unabomber is like anakin skywalker
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Jun 12, 2023 14:42
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if you discover a terrorist in your family you're obligated to take them down yourself in honorable single combat
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Jun 12, 2023 14:45
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croup coughfield posted:if you discover a terrorist in your family you're obligated to take them down yourself in honorable single combat correct at the very least he should have walked into the woods screaming BROTHER until he was given the opportunity for a showdown. if ted declines or kills him dishonorably, THEN you call the feds
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Jun 12, 2023 14:48
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I still think we should have made him President-For-Life as an alternative to prison, the awesome and horrible responsibility would have really hosed with him
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Jun 12, 2023 14:51
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All the access to the power process he could ever want with zero freedom whatsoever, would have been some real Truman Show poo poo
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Jun 12, 2023 14:52
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go for a stroll posted:I'm not saying the Unabomber was good I'm saying his brother was worse. I'm not even saying family trumps all civic obligation but if it's ongoing poo poo that must be stopped having the feds do your dirty work and condemning them to life in prison is a chicken poo poo move. Well that's pretty fuckin stupid, then, because the one guy blew up a bunch of grad students, secretaries, and janitors while the other guy stopped a guy from blowing people up. If kaczysnki had been blowing up oil executives without killing bystanders you might have a point but he was just a piece of poo poo who wanted to kill people with mail bombs because he was a coward. The manifesto is just a bullshit excuse for why he got to murder people. May as well believe george zimmerman wanted to protect his neighborhood
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Hatebag posted:Well that's pretty fuckin stupid, then, because the one guy blew up a bunch of grad students, secretaries, and janitors while the other guy stopped a guy from blowing people up. If kaczysnki had been blowing up oil executives without killing bystanders you might have a point but he was just a piece of poo poo who wanted to kill people with mail bombs because he was a coward. The manifesto is just a bullshit excuse for why he got to murder people. May as well believe george zimmerman wanted to protect his neighborhood thank you for this brave takedown of the unabomber
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:thank you for this brave takedown of the unabomber He didn't even stop industrial society!
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Jun 12, 2023 15:10
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not a hot take, but a take with suspicious ticking or vibrating
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Jun 12, 2023 15:11
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Very problematic everyone here is just assuming he did it. The feds never get anything right. Why would they be right this one time?
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Hatebag posted:I think the deranged incel murderer is probably the bad guy here. It's not like kaczysnki was targeting rich people who actually have culpability in destroying the earth. He was blowing up mathematicians and engineering professors because he got mad there were people building stuff near his cabin. Why not blow up the people clear cutting the forest? He was a hosed up drydick moron who wanted an excuse to blow people up and couldn't even come up with a coherent one. Plus half the time he just blew up a secretary or something Because he was trying to undermine the development and research of technology and industry on a broader level, direct action against lumbermills and development was pretty common in the period he was active and wasn't likely to move the needle The Unabomber went after people who aren't traditionally targeted by terrorist attacks because he wanted to cause fear among those people. In that sense, he was successful. He didn't accomplish anything more than scaring the poo poo out of people, though. Development of land and new technology continued, bomb threats or no. Kaczysnki would have done more to further neoluddite philosophies if he'd gone to fuckin therapy after that psych study he was in and then switched course to being an academic philosopher. He could have done a lot of good as a Zizek for his ideology instead of a dumbass terrorist
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:Kaczysnki would have done more to further neoluddite philosophies if he'd gone to fuckin therapy after that psych study he was in and then switched course to being an academic philosopher. He could have done a lot of good as a Zizek for his ideology instead of a dumbass terrorist unfortunately a lot of the MK Ultra stuff was being conducted under the guise of "Help for Young People With Mental Hygiene Issues" so he probably wasn't anxious to go to therapy after having his loving brain zapped
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