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Starbucks posted:I am of the age where I was in the last year of secondary school when Man United won the league, and given Arsenal (like this year) blew the league I got a fair amount of ribbing and then boasting from Man United Fans about the treble and them being the best team in the world and the best way of summarising it is: acting like complete cunts. Happy to oblige
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this the thread to point out scott carson has more champions league medals than david de gea?
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Jun 13, 2023 09:04
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Can we make a complete list of all the players who have more CL medals than De Gea?
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Jun 13, 2023 09:17
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lol Grealish is a menace
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Imagining the global hangover shockwave that will affect everyone on earth when grealish sobers up
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the sex ghost posted:Imagining the global hangover shockwave that will affect everyone on earth when grealish sobers up the turkey has been fed the anti thanksgiving
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Jun 13, 2023 10:05
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A (much) less interesting Freddie Flintoff
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Eau de MacGowan posted:this the thread to point out scott carson has more champions league medals than david de gea? And that he got them a record-tying 18 years apart, apparently?
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Jun 13, 2023 10:34
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The United treble gave me PTSD and more. Luckily this is easy to shrug off. Having said that, I hope the cheating frauds are getting their punishment soon enough (they won't).
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Xabi posted:The United treble gave me PTSD and more. Luckily this is easy to shrug off. Relishing the thought of the look on their faces when they get the official notice of their small fine and request not to do it again
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Jun 13, 2023 10:36
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Most Man Utd fans I talk to aren't particularly bothered by City winning anything, since City aren't real. Liverpool or Arsenal winning the treble would be a loving disaster, though.
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Jun 13, 2023 11:19
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Sounds like cope op
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the sex ghost posted:Relishing the thought of the look on their faces when they get the official notice of their small fine and request not to do it again We only needed to do it once (115 times) anyway, with our academy now we're making shitloads of cash off player sales and the commercial side has grown enough to not be sus
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Jun 13, 2023 11:23
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Are united fans genuinely happier with their ownership situation though? Parasitic Americans leeching money out of the club and not making long-overdue infrastructure investments that leads to them falling badly behind?
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Jun 13, 2023 11:30
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Butterfly Valley posted:Are united fans genuinely happier with their ownership situation though? Parasitic Americans leeching money out of the club and not making long-overdue infrastructure investments that leads to them falling badly behind? No, but what does that have to do with financial doping?
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Jun 13, 2023 11:32
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harperdc posted:And that he got them a record-tying 18 years apart, apparently? And he got them both for being an unused sub on the bench. Living the dream.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Are united fans genuinely happier with their ownership situation though? Parasitic Americans leeching money out of the club and not making long-overdue infrastructure investments that leads to them falling badly behind? Neither situations are particularly delightful, but a capitalist leech seems easier to tolerate from a sporting standpoint than a sportswashing mega-cheat?
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Jun 13, 2023 11:36
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tbf i've seen plenty of utd fans gagging for the qatari moneyhose
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Jun 13, 2023 11:39
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Twitter is full of them yea. Polls on places like r/reddevils, The Athletic or the fanzine United We Stand are overwhelmingly the other way.
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Jun 13, 2023 11:41
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Isn't part of that because they want to buy the club outright, get rid of the debt and remove the glazers entirely while if ratcliffe buys them they still hang around in some capacity? Granted it's probably mostly the infinite money
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Ratcliffe has offered to buy all the glazer shares (69%) or full control of the club (50.1%). Either solution would remove any and all influence from glazers, but the latter would let the actual man utd fan among them (Joel, Avram) sit around in director boxes and then earn an even fatter, forced buyout down the line. The people who are hooting and hollering about qatar wants to buy mbappe for a billion and think real life is a game of FM.
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Jun 13, 2023 11:48
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if the qarai guy does buy them i hope he runs the club as well as PSG
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Jose posted:if the qarai guy does buy them i hope he runs the club as well as PSG 8 league titles in the last 10 seasons, me too.
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TheRat posted:Neither situations are particularly delightful, but a capitalist leech seems easier to tolerate from a sporting standpoint than a sportswashing mega-cheat? If you live in the east side of Manchester the area has seen large investment so there are quantifiable benefits as a result of the investment rather than the net detrimental effects of glazer ownership. The cost of the sportswashing is harder to quantify obviously. Regarding the mega-cheating/financial doping/whatever you want to call it, obviously we only got to where we are thanks to huge investment but the creation and timing of FFP and the questions about whether we jumped through whatever newly created legal hoops seem arbitrary to most City fans - if FFP had existed before, no chance Chelsea would have been able to do what they did. The clubs who were lucky enough to be at the top when the Premier League was formed and the Champions' League rebranded were able to capitalise on being in the right place at the right time to solidify their positions through the hugely increased annual financial windfalls that created a vicious circle that made it practically impossible for other teams to break into without the kind of investment Abramovich or Abu Dhabi were able to provide. So yeah it sucks but money had been loving football for a long time before we got involved.
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Butterfly Valley posted:
So you're saying being so poo poo you were in the old 3rd division was just being unlucky?
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man united fans who want to be bought by the qataris have something wrong in the head
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Basically, everyone except fans of Bayern and a couple of other teams that are fan owned and not run in an incredibly corrupt way should quietly feel ashamed of the people who own and/or run their club.
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TheRat posted:Most Man Utd fans I talk to aren't particularly bothered by City winning anything, since City aren't real. This is true. It's easy to just kind of shrug and ignore whatever they do because of the enormous asterisk that will never stop following them around.
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I personally do not recognise any league title won after 1992 and the perfidious invention of the premier league and consider Leeds United to still be champions of England
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the sex ghost posted:I personally do not recognise any league title won after 1992 and the perfidious invention of the premier league and consider Leeds United to still be champions of England Is that why they keep demanding to play in the Championship?
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Shrapnig posted:So you're saying being so poo poo you were in the old 3rd division was just being unlucky? No that was being poo poo. Being at the top at the same time as the money started exponentially increasing was lucky. If Premier League and Champions League money started in the 70s or the 80s the footballing landscape would have looked extremely different and the ‘big 4’ or whatever could have easily had Ipswich or Villa or Forest or Everton in.
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Butterfly Valley posted:No that was being poo poo. Being at the top at the same time as the money started exponentially increasing was lucky. If Premier League and Champions League money started in the 70s or the 80s the footballing landscape would have looked extremely different and the ‘big 4’ or whatever could have easily had Ipswich or Villa or Forest or Everton in. So still never City, understood.
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ozmunkeh posted:This is true. It's easy to just kind of shrug and ignore whatever they do because of the enormous asterisk that will never stop following them around. Real got artificially bankrolled by Franco and the Spanish state. Various big Italian clubs have been absolutely rife with corruption and dodgy dealings. Barca pay refs off and along with Real have a stranglehold on TV money from their league that funnels most of the money their direction. Very few clubs are ‘clean’. If FFP regulations had been there from the start and applied consistently and universally and we’d run afoul of them then fair enough, asterisk away.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Real got artificially bankrolled by Franco and the Spanish state. Various big Italian clubs have been absolutely rife with corruption and dodgy dealings. Barca pay refs off and along with Real have a stranglehold on TV money from their league that funnels most of the money their direction. Very few clubs are ‘clean’. If FFP regulations had been there from the start and applied consistently and universally and we’d run afoul of them then fair enough, asterisk away. Did you make this tifo? 
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blue footed boobie posted:Basically, everyone except fans of Bayern and a couple of other teams that are fan owned and not run in an incredibly corrupt way should quietly feel ashamed of the people who own and/or run their club. Bayern are cool as long as you don't look at the history of their club crest from 1938 to 1945
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vyelkin posted:Bayern are cool as long as you don't look at the history of their club crest from 1938 to 1945 Or any of the teams from that period tbh.
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Shrapnig posted:8 league titles in the last 10 seasons, me too. The fact that PSG has not won 10/10 is kind of a failure imo As well as crashing out in Europe every year
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Shrapnig posted:8 league titles in the last 10 seasons, me too. PSG is run pretty poorly I thought, just the sheer amount of money is enough to roll over ligue 1 most of the time
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Butterfly Valley posted:Sounds like cope op It is! As a Liverpool fan, I don't like that City has won a treble, but I have to accept that they were good enough to do it. City's financial cheating is still cheating but expecting the Premier League or any other sporting authority to punish City or any other sufficiently resourced club is a pipe dream and I'm not going to sink too much emotional energy into that hope. It's like hoping the likes of Madrid and Barca get their karmic comeuppance, but I don't see that happening anytime soon either.
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Butterfly Valley posted:No that was being poo poo. Being at the top at the same time as the money started exponentially increasing was lucky. If Premier League and Champions League money started in the 70s or the 80s the footballing landscape would have looked extremely different and the ‘big 4’ or whatever could have easily had Ipswich or Villa or Forest or Everton in. if that was true then Blackburn Rovers would still be playing in the Champions League and not a series of chicken-related gifs there are definitely 'big' clubs that have fallen by the wayside, but United, Liverpool and Arsenal didn't just accidentally fall through a hedge in 1992 and come out the other side with millions of pounds, they've been the biggest clubs in English football for decades but yes, city aren't real, and anyone who wants united to be owned by saudi or qatar or jean-baptiste emanuel zorg should be put in a work camp
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