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Eric Cantonese posted:It is! Aren't Barca just going to run out of money
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Thanks Ants posted:Aren't Barca just going to run out of money They just won La Liga! The world seems prepared to bail them out in one way or another. Too many fans love them so we’ll never see a well-deserved implosion for them.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:if that was true then Blackburn Rovers would still be playing in the Champions League and not a series of chicken-related gifs I mean Blackburn prove the point, even back then they had to be pumped full of millions by Jack Walker to finance the spending spree that got them the title. Of course there were other factors at play - United getting an all time great manager coinciding with a freakish glut of young academy talent coming good at the same time really allowed them to consolidate their place at the top for the best part of two decades. But remove the Premier League and CL money and the league would have looked a lot more competitive in the 90s and 2000s than it did. The only teams able to compete with United for the title once they got the gravy train running were Blackburn, City and Chelsea, all through large outside investment, and Arsenal who were already there or thereabouts at the top table, and had an all-time great manager of their own. When you compare that to Liverpool's run of 10 titles in the 70s and 80s, there were 6 different teams still able to compete and also win titles during that era - Leeds, Everton, Forest, Arsenal, Derby and Villa.
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I'm the guy thinking that a club that had enough financial and negotiating swagger in the 30s to get spurs relegated because it was for the good of football randomly became a powerhouse in the 90s due to sky sports favoritism.
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Basically I understand if people don't like City for what we represent, the sportswashing by countries with awful human rights records, but I don't understand people who act like their piles of millions from Indonesian noodle sponsorships or shirt sales in countries that only started watching their club because they were doing well at the time the league was aggressively enriching itself through juicy foreign TV contracts are morally superior or more in the spirit of the game. It would be great if we could go back to a truly level playing field but it hasn't been that way for decades.
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Jun 13, 2023 18:05
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I just hate every football club especially the one I support, it's easier that way
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vyelkin posted:I just hate every football club especially the one I support, it's easier that way Preach
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the point is that if being good in 1994 gave you premier league money for life and city are just skipping some steps, then blackburn would still be good and not bad when the money hose went away then the big bald men stopped catching the balls the money hose will go away for city too also the bald men
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FullLeatherJacket posted:the point is that if being good in 1994 gave you premier league money for life and city are just skipping some steps, then blackburn would still be good and not bad And leeds. And newcastle. And nottingham forest. E: Hell, QPR and Wimbledon finished top10 in 94/95
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City have such a storied history that Robinho thought he was signing for United until someone handed him a blue shirt.
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Jun 13, 2023 18:36
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FullLeatherJacket posted:the point is that if being good in 1994 gave you premier league money for life and city are just skipping some steps, then blackburn would still be good and not bad You still have to spend the money well and have good management, case in point United for the last 10 years
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Butterfly Valley posted:You still have to spend the money well and have good management, case in point United for the last 10 years When you're making up the numbers the money is easy to manage m9
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Butterfly Valley posted:You still have to spend the money well and have good management, case in point United for the last 10 years You don't have to if there is effectively no end to the money, you just keep spending it until you manage to get the right 21 people. You just hire a bald fraud who made Bayern worse and set money on fire.
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How many of the 115 strikes are for paying the management team under the table?
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TheRat posted:How many of the 115 strikes are for paying the management team under the table? We know they managed to avoid a strike by failing to pay didn't dogshit his bung so who can really say if it's good or bad
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cagliostr0 posted:You don't have to if there is effectively no end to the money, you just keep spending it until you manage to get the right 21 people. You just hire a bald fraud who made Bayern worse and set money on fire. that's unfair there was also a lot of cheating and crimes involved
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cagliostr0 posted:You don't have to if there is effectively no end to the money, you just keep spending it until you manage to get the right 21 people. You just hire a bald fraud who made Bayern worse and set money on fire. The charges are predominantly about extra payments to managers, padding players wages etc that were beyond what we were earning revenue wise, they're not 'City were printing money to buy and sell absolutely everyone until they hit on a winning formula'. That we've spent the (legal or otherwise) money well should be self evident, especially in light of the various other clown car billionaire teams currently around us.
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multiple things can be true: - there was already a gaping financial disparity between the top 4 and the rest of the PL around the time of the city takeover - they were and still are bastards - man city are a very well run club which made good use of their insane cash injections from their benefactors - who are especially bastards - all of the above clubs' (and now newcastle) financial assets should be frozen until spurs finally win the league with a 53 year old harry kane who has been chained to a railing and somehow still creates the most goals+assists for us
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Nuclear Spoon posted:multiple things can be true: It would be a lot easier for everyone if Spurs just went out of business instead.
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Shrapnig posted:It would be a lot easier for everyone if Spurs just went out of business instead. can't hear you over the sound of our extremely profitable go-kart track
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Anyway, Man United have been illegally tapping up players at least since the 50s when my granddad worked as a driver/chauffeur and once had a job that involved driving Matt Busby to a prospective signing's family house to bung his mum a brand new dishwasher and fridge to seal the deal. Where was FFP then??? (I think it was Tommy Taylor iirc)
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Butterfly Valley posted:Anyway, Man United have been illegally tapping up players at least since the 50s when my granddad worked as a driver/chauffeur and once had a job that involved driving Matt Busby to a prospective signing's family house to bung his mum a brand new dishwasher and fridge to seal the deal. Where was FFP then??? Keep digging that hole bb
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Shrapnig posted:Keep digging that hole bb That was a light hearted anecdote meant to bring a close to the debate by making us all lol at the more quaint and innocent times of past, bb
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Butterfly Valley posted:That was a light hearted anecdote meant to bring a close to the debate by making us all lol at the more quaint and innocent times of past, bb Shame it was you that posted it
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Brian Clough (fraud, permaban if he posts here) would have hated ffp
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Shrapnig posted:Shame it was you that posted it This seems unnecessarily mean
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Butterfly Valley posted:This seems unnecessarily mean You don't get to decide when the "debate" ends, hope that helps. The only reason your trumped up yo-yo club is in this position is because some sheik saw "Manchester" and thought, "hey, next best thing, right?"
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Shrapnig posted:You don't get to decide when the "debate" ends, hope that helps. Butterfly Valley posted:Sounds like cope op
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Sir, this is the Premier League thread.
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Butterfly Valley posted:The charges are predominantly about extra payments to managers, padding players wages etc that were beyond what we were earning revenue wise, they're not 'City were printing money to buy and sell absolutely everyone until they hit on a winning formula'. That we've spent the (legal or otherwise) money well should be self evident, especially in light of the various other clown car billionaire teams currently around us. I do feel that the secret wage payments probably helped them sign and retain good players though. Does it count as just being good at spending money well when you're secretly spending way more money on wages than is allowed, presumably because following the rules would mean not being able to sign all the players you want?
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We all love Newcastle United itt
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Butterfly Valley posted:Sounds like cope op
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Arsenal kick rear end and will sign rice and caicedo and idk mbappe I guess, then win the premier league with 114 points next year
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Shrapnig posted:You don't get to decide when the "debate" ends, hope that helps. Lol and now it's even better than the other one.
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sourdough posted:Arsenal kick rear end and will sign rice and caicedo and idk mbappe I guess, then win the premier league with 114 points next year 
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richarlison is going to score 25 goals next season
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Nuclear Spoon posted:richarlison is going to score 25 goals next season Good idea for next year's forum challenge
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Shrapnig posted:You don't get to decide when the "debate" ends, hope that helps. Lmao I was ending the conversation so I could make myself dinner you dork but please continue with your weak owns that show you definitely aren't mad
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