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We play hard just means that the job sucks and the benefits are too lovely for therapy so employees are expected to manage their stress out of pocket with alcohol. "Playing hard" is a weaker brag than having a high reddit score or a bunch of WoW gold.
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I clock in when I walk into the building, I clock out when I leave. Everything I have to do between those times is work. Also, time spent walking to/from a meeting is meeting time. You schedule poo poo on a different floor at the other end of the building, your meeting is 10 minutes longer than you scheduled and I will adjust my timesheet accordingly.
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pencilhands posted:we work hard and we play hard.”  
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americas a poo poo hole country with also if startup/prep takes time, then the "real" work day should take place like N mins later. you dont do work before work.
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Nope you’re just a bad manager and are creating regulatory and operational risk to your employer and should be fired and possibly sued No no no see it's "The industry standard" you know the one that's mysteriously not written down on paper, contract, or employee handbook or anything like that because like duh everyone knows it's the standard. Seems like someone should write it down so Bloodfart McCoy won't have to keep telling everyone. Why don't you get your employer to put it in the employee manual and make your job a little easier? See how that goes. Edit: I should mention if you can't find this in writing authoritatively, in a policy or procedure, your employer fully intends to fire you in an effort to get away with paying a smaller settlement. Internet Old One fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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Jul 2, 2023 18:59
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Internet Old One posted:This is all military bullshit. Tell him if he wants to run things like the military then that's cool. Why do we have so many psychos posting in GBS?
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lol gettin murderously angry about managers because of a story pencilhands made up for gbs clout
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Internet Old One posted:No no no see it's "The industry standard" you know the one that's mysteriously not written down on paper, contract, or employee handbook or anything like that because like duh everyone knows it's the standard. Seems like someone should write it down so Bloodfart McCoy won't have to keep telling everyone. The employee handbook states that an employee’s work day begins at 8am, and they should be at their desk logged in at that time. If an agent is having a difficult time accomplishing this, I will suggest they try to arrive to work 15 minutes early to make sure they give themselves enough time to settle in before starting work. I really don’t care if it’s 5 minutes, a half hour, as long as they’re logging in on time. Are you the kind of employee that needs me to hold your hand through that difficult process? It’s fine. Without subpar schmucks for me to motivate and discipline I would be out of a job. And we can’t have that  Now get back to work
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Just tell your boss you're a day early for tomorrow's shift. Then ask for a day's advance on your pay.
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ask him to make you salaried in that case so that you'll always be early 
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:Are you the kind of employee that needs me to hold your hand through that difficult process? It’s fine. Without subpar schmucks for me to motivate and discipline I would be out of a job. And we can’t have that Actually I threatened to quit my six figure work from home job and my fortune 50 employer told me I could take a 2 month paid leave of absence rather than losing me. So I'm not really an employee at all. I can't even log in. I plan on going on vacation as soon as my leave period is over and then I'll probably still quit. But enjoy disciplining your call center.
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Internet Old One posted:Actually I threatened to quit my six figure work from home job and my fortune 50 employer told me I could take a 2 month paid leave of absence rather than losing me. So I'm not really an employee at all. I can't even log in. I plan on going on vacation as soon as my leave period is over and then I'll probably still quit. And the whole dick sucking factory stood up and clapped.
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:American manager here. Why shouldn't employees be paid for the time it takes them to prepare? This is probably controversial but I'm of the mind that people should be paid for their commute time as well, especially if they can't reasonably find an affordable place to live nearby with their salary.
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lotta people just utterly baffled at the idea of being treated like a human being when they clock in
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gently caress your handbook bitch
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leaptosleep posted:Why shouldn't employees be paid for the time it takes them to prepare? I never said I wasn’t paying them for clocking in early. If someone is generally productive and they want to clock in five or ten minutes early then I’m not busting their balls for that. verbal enema posted:gently caress your handbook bitch That’s the kind of attitude that’s holding you back from that promotion verbal enema. This will reflect on your annual review.
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:I never said I wasn’t paying them for clocking in early. If someone is generally productive and they want to clock in five or ten minutes early then I’m not busting their balls for that. I mean for the full time it takes to prepare, so if you're expecting them to come in 15 minutes early should they not be paid for those 15 minutes? Anyway If you have no problem with paying people for the time it takes to prepare and it's become an expectation that they come in at that time why not just make it officially part of their hours? It seems like it causes needless confusion.
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If the employee’s computer takes 15 minutes to boot up and launch the applications necessary for work, that sounds like a company problem that they should rectify with newer equipment.
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Show up 15 minutes early but just add 1.25 hours onto your weekly timesheet.
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Lol I always spend the first few weeks testing boundaries, see how late I can get away with coming in, etc. I rolled in like 45 mins after supposed starting time, and my bosses pulled me in to be like "hey you're late" and I said oh my bad, but I e of my bosses added "just do better" in this weird tone, like I had apologized for like deeply wronging somebody. Anyway I still roll in pretty much anywhere between 9-10 and don't get giff for it, but recently that same boss somehow lost 15 years of data, like, all of our files and poo poo because he tools the WD that wasn't appropriate for our network needs home and hosed up transferring to Dropbox or some poo poo. I have wanted so badly to tell him "just do better" but haven't even seen him since.
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leaptosleep posted:I mean for the full time it takes to prepare, so if you're expecting them to come in 15 minutes early should they not be paid for those 15 minutes? Because the same people who have trouble logging in on time at 8am will be the same people having trouble logging in at 7:45am. And then I’d have to pay everybody those extra 15 minutes of work instead of just the 5-10% of employees who actually clock in a few minutes early. That extra 15 minutes per day would equal an automatic 1.25 hours of OT each week for each employee. The budget isn’t liking those numbers. Hey the sooner you stop asking questions the sooner you can enjoy the pizza in the break room. Better get it before it’s cold!
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BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:If the employee’s computer takes 15 minutes to boot up and launch the applications necessary for work, that sounds like a company problem that they should rectify with newer equipment. There was actually a lawsuit for this and the employees won. It was a company that would do 3rd party phone support for other outfits. Like, when you call up Comcast phone support, you'd be talking to these people. Anyway, the employee's computers were old and slow as poo poo, so it would take anywhere from 10-20 minutes for them to get logged in and ready to start taking phone calls. If your shift started at 8am for example, you'd have to get there early to get logged in and ready for 8. That was all unpaid time and the company wouldn't pay up. Employees sued and won. Bloodfart McCoy posted:American manager here. Your company is almost certainly committing wage theft.
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Stop showing up to work. When HR asks why, tell them "the manager wanted me to arrive 15 minutes early, but he didn't specify where."
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:Because the same people who have trouble logging in on time at 8am will be the same people having trouble logging in at 7:45am. They might not be logged in at 7:45 but the point is you want them logged in by 8, no? And if the company can't afford to pay everybody overtime then how are these expectations fair?
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Your job is already dodging paying you for the commute time, and I'm betting most people sleep extra just to be not tired for work, so at least a few hours of sleep each night should be paid for as well.
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This is why hourly pay jobs are terrible. Management will squeeze and micro every penny of work from you. If you only show up 5 minutes early and you take 10 minutes to take your coat off, log in etc. then that's "time theft.". You will also work full-time-part-time, they will work you just shy of weekly full time hours. So if 40 hours per is considered to be full time, and getting full time benefits, then you will be working 38 hours and not getting full time benefits.
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I’m kinda drunk and this post is hilarious. Good job, OP. Now getting to the matter at hand. I need clarification on this.Smugworth posted:There's no law against adding the following question to a job application: Also, showing up early is one of those dumb things a boss uses as a form of mental abuse to keep you edge at all times. It’s like when you decide you’ve finally had enough of this poo poo, show up to do your job and then, at the end of the day, tell them you won’t be coming back to this loving bullshit hellhole. They get mad and say “that’s not enough notice,” “they need at least two weeks to train your replacement,” etc. Now I’m a felon in a work-for-hire state so at the moment I’m working in restaurants and poo poo like that. I’m in a state where you can come in and your boss can just decide to fire you right now without cause. I’ve never been told two weeks in advance that I’m about to get fire, so why should I give you two weeks notice that I’m not showing up to put away the truck at 6 am. Y’all better figure that poo poo out on your own time because I gotta start my day drinking shift early and I ain’t coming back to this bitch. E: edited the last sentence for clarity because now I’m mad thinking about work and really want my point to be clear. AllNewJonasSalk fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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Jose Oquendo posted:Your company is almost certainly committing wage theft. Based on his other posts, yep.
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Sorry for the double post, but another thing I hate is when you show up on time, get all your poo poo done, and leave when the schedule prescribes thinking “Wow, I actually had a pretty good time today and gently caress with all my coworkers. This poo poo ain’t so bad.” And then you show up the next day and your boss is bitching saying poo poo like “The schedule is an approximation, it isn’t law. Never leave without clearing it with a manager on duty.” If the schedule is an approximation and not law then I should be able to show up ten minutes before my shift ends, stock up the product, sweep the floors, and leave.
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This is why, OP:
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My boss tried to pull some condescending bullshit once and I told him to eat poo poo in front of the entire company and then he fired me lol. edit: not on the spot tho because he's a coward. waited for me to leave and then told my manager to do it. lmao
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I would fire OP but not because he's not early, it's because he's really loving lame.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Your company is almost certainly committing wage theft. That’s for the exces to worry about. Not little ol me 
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pencilhands posted:The other day he took me aside and said “look pencilhands, in my mind, if I’m not 15 minutes early, im late. I want to see you start showing up early. Do we need to give you a shift that starts later so you can be early?” 
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Challenge your boss to a work-off
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:That’s for the exces to worry about. Not little ol me Based on your posts, you appear to be complicit in it. You could actually do your part and make sure your employees are paid for the time they're doing work poo poo.
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Post to the internal company slack channel that your boss has a micropenis and you've seen it.
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