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Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
If most goons are about 40 years old now, we will probably live to the year 2050. Some of us have children who might even make it to the year 2100.
Life Circa 2050 Will Be Bad. Really Bad.

This thread isn't a "how to become a self-sufficient prepper", this isn't also "how can I reduce emissions to help fight climate change". This thread is to think of ideas for cost effective ways to insulate your house from the heat or how to save rain water to use on a home garden.

Its impossible to tell exactly how climate change is going to affect a given area, but we know some generalities, its going to get hot. My household is almost exactly at the average for household income in my area, so I don't have unlimited resources to buy a 4000 square foot underground bunker on a 100 acre farm. To fight the inner doomer in my head I day dream, with the limited resources at my disposal, what reasonable/practical things can I do today to make life in 2050 more comfortable/livable.

What have I missed? What are better choices we can make. Looking to minimize discomfort. Cost effective things you can do today that will help in the year 2050.

Catagories to think about
    *location
    *food
    *water
    *shelter - storms, heat, shade
    *security
    *employment
    *power/electricity
    *education - self-reliant, repairability
    *entertainment
    *self heath/misc
    *multiple generations living together?


1. Location
Don't live too close to the ocean, but don't life too far inland. Ocean levels will rise and with the addition of storms, you don't want to live <100 ft (might even need to make it +200ft) above current sea level.
But here on the west coast, moving from a coastal city to just 30 minutes inland can make a +10-15°F difference. Just 20-30 miles inland can change the temperature from 70-75 to 85-90°.

If you aren't able to work from home, this category also effects employment possibilities. You will want to live close enough to commute to employment. For example, I live less than an hour from San Francisco, but moving four hours north along the coast would mean cooler weather and more rain, but the selection of jobs drops off a cliff.

Possibly move to a place with cheaper land to live off land combined with remote work? Portugal is popular, but just judging from the past few year's heat waves, what areas would be a better choice?


2. Food
Not sure how much you can plan for food security 30+ years into the future. I look at what previous generations did during WWII. Victory gardens, you can't reasonably grow 100% of your own food, but you can make sure you won't suffer from nutrient deficiencies.

If you own your home you can plant fruit trees, start gardening, learn how to compost. Growing enough leafy green vegetables to feed a small family only takes maybe 400 sqft. An established lemon tree gives you 100+ fruit a year. Trees can take a few years to establish and grow, the sooner you are able to plant it, the better.

Raise chickens for eggs? Rabbits for meat?


3. Water
Rainwater capture. This is something I feel like I shoud invest in now. Make sure to check your local laws, some areas its illegal to have your gutters funnel into a water tank.
5.5' diameter, 13 feet tall can fit 2000 gallons:
https://www.plastic-mart.com/product/3602/2000-gallon-water-tank-chemtainer-tc2000iw
Collecting rainwater for human consumption is beyond this thread, but having a few thousand gallons on hand for your garden during a drought is something I think would be a good use of money.
What type of pipe should I use to send the water from my gutters to the tank? PVC, SDR sewer pipe, corrugated solid pipe? Which kind would resist UV the best? Last the longest, best value?


4. Shelter
For most people shelter means a house. I have also considered buying some acres in a remote area and setting up a yurt.

https://www.yurts.com/galleries/30-yurts/
There are many options for semi-permanent housing, but I feel we should focus on how to reinforce a standard house that has already been built.
To better prepare for heat, I recently learned about "radiant barrier" that should be installed in your house's attic along with your standard insulation, but I don't know anyone who has done this.
https://atticfoil.com/ Just staple this thick foil and it reflects the sun's heat, significantly reducing the temperature in your house. Other brands are available in your local big box store.

Planting large shade trees to the south-west (?) of your house to help reduce the heat in the summer. Best is a tree that drops its leaves for wintertime (deciduous trees), just make sure their roots won't damage the house's foundation. These need to be planted well in advance, as the trees need time to grow to maturity.

Double or triple pane windows.

From the 1970's book: Usborne Book of the Future



5. Security
Camera flood lights, get friendly with your neighbors, large breed dog, fencing, bars over your windows, parking a car in garage/behind fence
Strong doors, propertly installed screws


6. Education
learn how to repair what you already own, learn how to DIY - carpentry - electronics - plumbing


7. Power/Electricity
Solar panels, wind turbines?
Lower power heat pump tech
Solar water heating, running black hose in circles on your roof heats the water inside, to then use for showers.
Backup battery

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Sep 10, 2023

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Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
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TL;DR
Climate, gardening, fruit trees, water storage tank, house insulation, solar panels, heat pump, metal/tile roof, plant a large tree to the south of your house for shade in 20+ years, security bars in windows, large dog, become friendly with your neighbors, learn how to repair what you already own, learn how to DIY - carpentry - electronics - plumbing, books - DVDs & music saved to a computer, try to stay healthy & excersise, Corsi-Rosenthal Boxes for air filter smoke
growing sunflowers for biodiesel
electric bike?

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 3, 2023

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

Great video, I wish I could find something that in-depth for the whole world.

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

Dante posted:

I can't even tell if this is satire or real, but uuh - LARPing as a homesteader/doomsday prepper can be a nice hobby for sure. Just buy a cabin and learn to hunt, then you can plan the world ending for whatever X reason and also enjoy a nice vacation.

I'm serious posting, I thought I typed out that this isn't prepping. If you think using new insulation technology, or saving rainwater is doomsday prepping.... idk man... go back to the tv show threads.

Fozzy The Bear posted:

This thread isn't a "how to become a self-sufficient prepper", this isn't also "how can I reduce emissions to help fight climate change". This thread is to think of ideas for cost effective ways to insulate your house from the heat or how to save rain water to use on a home garden.

If you own a house, how can you better prepare it for climate change? I think that is a reasonable ask/tell.
As one of the examples I listed "radiant barrier". I had no idea about this product a year ago. For $200 worth of material, it makes a HUGE difference keeping a house cool.

There are so many products like that, cost effective things, that a typical home owner just doesn't know about, or doesn't realize how inexpensive a product might be.

I need to add in the OP about indoor hydroponics/aquaponics for those who live in a condo/apartment. I don't know much about that, but I bet you can grow a decent amount of vegetables in an unused room/balcony.

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jul 11, 2023

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
I wanted to plant a shade tree in my backyard, but gently caress being a doomsday prepper, I'll just go play more video games.

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

Blue Labrador posted:

I live in an apartment and the most I got is that I can grow some peppers and tomatoes or something and I'm gonna be resentful about homeowners moving to my little mountain city and making me rent for the rest of my life lol.

E: My area is in the middle of an intense heatwave right now and I'm just super bitter atm. The opening post has interesting ideas

Its tough renting an apartment. Do you have a window that gets sunlight?

I thought this was a cool idea. Run a window AC unit directly from solar panels, not even plugged into the grid. When the sun shines it turns on, when the sun goes down it stops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whi-KyvTiN4

e: Its an interesting concept I hadn't thought of before. Adding solar run appliances to your house, without paying the $20,000+ to add solar to your whole house. Allows you to keep the costs lower, as you do the installation yourself. You don't necessarily need full house solar. Just run AC, or maybe use the solar panels to run your work computer during the day, and run on laptop batteries in the evenings before you go to bed.

Possibly even hook up beefier solar panels to a EcoFlow type battery/inverter unit. That could probably let you use a microwave, nighttime lights, mini refrigerator?

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jul 29, 2023

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
Great posts! I appreciate the added perspectives.

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Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

socketwrencher posted:

Apps like NextDoor here are great for making connections and sharing resources and knowledge
mostly using free stuff off Craigslist and Buy Nothing groups.

I'm a big fan of bartering as well. Taking money out of the equation creates a whole other vibe.

Great post!

Is Nextdoor a worth while app? I always heard bad things about it.
How did you find the Buy Nothing groups? How did you make the contacts that are willing to barter?

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