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Mr Hootington posted:Thank you deadpan. There actually is some interesting buts in here. 
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It is a little hard to square negotiations by the end of the year with "we will try Russians for warcrimes" but NATO doesn't really have to make sense any more.
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Ardennes posted:It is a little hard to square negotiations by the end of the year with "we will try Russians for warcrimes" but NATO doesn't really have to make sense any more. same. not quite sure what to make of the seemingly contradictory intention. Possibly that warcrime trial being one of the goals that is only being floated to widen the gap between what NATO "wants" and what is achievable as a way to make it easier to get people on board for a negotiated settlement.
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Got to step away from the livestream at the moment but I will return later
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Jul 13, 2023 17:23
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i'm not a nato understander at all but like nato is saying: they want UA to join, they're not going to negotiate a peace deal with Russia (at least not until the end of the war?) and they're not going to let UA join until the war is over. but like isn't the whole point of the war that Putin doesn't want anymore nato countries at Russias borders? so like what possible reason is there for Russia to sit down at peace talks if they're not getting the 1 thing they wanted. seems like the best thing from their view is regime change in UA
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Weka posted:Invoking article 5 against the country of Africa for sending migrants. This thread can't even make jokes because the leaders just say it bedpan posted:Latvian PM is accusing Belarus of running a scheme to bring migrants to the Latvian border and helping them cross illegally as a way to destabilize the EU
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Jul 13, 2023 17:32
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4-star general, the supreme commander, is explaining that collective security has a difference force composition than low intensity, expeditionary operations
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Jul 13, 2023 18:02
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goal is 300K troops in peak readiness?
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Jul 13, 2023 18:03
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logistics system is not setup to handle "large scale, simultaneous maneuvers" since this was not used in Afghanistan
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Jul 13, 2023 18:04
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General describing the current war as being an incredible source of lessons
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"Cohesion" is said to be the most important thing. Talks about the united front Ukraine has put on
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300K troops hahaha. Yeah ok
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Russia has been deterred already
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That is a mobilization wave for the Russians.
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bedpan posted:Latvian PM is accusing Belarus of running a scheme to bring migrants to the Latvian border and helping them cross illegally as a way to destabilize the EU yikes
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Jul 13, 2023 18:10
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"the baltic sea is now a very different place"
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bedpan posted:Ukrainian MP question: Russia is engaging in nuclear blackmail. "Isn't it the time for the deployment of nuclear weaponry in Eastern Europe?" Oh for sure.
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Jul 13, 2023 18:13
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"We have two Named Adversaries in our strategic concept. Terror groups are also very important." Hmm, two named adversaries
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Jul 13, 2023 18:15
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Indo-Pacific callout!
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Next segment: "Leaving No One Behind: the human security imperative"
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Jul 13, 2023 18:18
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Ahh, it is Gary Kasparov
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Started off with Kremlinology and the mutiny
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more or less: russia needs to lose big and soon to topple Putin. no civil society in russia. Also, Russia needs to stop fighting ukraine and focus on the real enemy: CHINA
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bedpan posted:"We have two Named Adversaries in our strategic concept. Terror groups are also very important." 🤔
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bedpan posted:more or less: russia needs to lose big and soon to topple Putin. no civil society in russia. Also, Russia needs to stop fighting ukraine and focus on the real enemy: CHINA Lol there it is
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next panel is about russia doing nuclear plant blowing up terrorism need to take a break before I tackle this one
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spacemang_spliff posted:i'm not a nato understander at all but like nato is saying: they want UA to join, they're not going to negotiate a peace deal with Russia (at least not until the end of the war?) and they're not going to let UA join until the war is over. but like isn't the whole point of the war that Putin doesn't want anymore nato countries at Russias borders? so like what possible reason is there for Russia to sit down at peace talks if they're not getting the 1 thing they wanted. seems like the best thing from their view is regime change in UA almost like the whole point of the war is to sacrifice ukraine in some harebrained attempt to bloody the russians also like that the czech president was the one to go full nazi, some historical irony there
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lamo if they planted the stories for content at their summit
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Okay! Back to the conference! Next panel is a conversation with the Deputy PM/foreign minister of Italy
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We've opened with "Russian's targeting of Ukraine's nuclear infrastructure"
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Italian FM believes nuclear catastrophe is "imminent" and that Russia's "idea" to use nuclear weapons is a big mistake
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We are defending Ukraine because we want peace. Peace and justice. Peace with justice is the freedom of Ukraine
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EU and NATO working for peace. We want peace. Peace is to push out the Russians
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Italian FM is asked about spending more than 2% of GDP. He pushes back and says that there are lots of Italian soldiers posted on behalf of NATO and that the "Italian engagement" should be considered
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Sudden shift of gears: "Also in Africa. Pay attention"
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bedpan posted:Sudden shift of gears: "Also in Africa. Pay attention" Lol
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Wagner is working hard in Sub-Saharan region. Wagner is working with AQ in Africa and Boko Haram
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"Iran. Nuclear. We need to look at this"
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