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https://youtu.be/adICmN2RJ1U This is a decent YouTube vid about him
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There's one I won't link where a pastor admits that he raped a 16 year old church member in his office (2, actually, but only one was there verifying the accusation). After the victim speaks, the congregation starts shouting out "We love you Pastor", and his victim is completely ignored. The Bible fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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I was looking at the Jesus Camp summary and Ted Haggart comes up as the main pastor and I'm thinking: "Wait haven't I heard that name before?"
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N. Senada posted:Grew up being told Catholics are evil and worship the pope who claims he is god. This is the only thing I learned in VBS that turned out to be true.
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They been playing too much Heavensward
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Any person growing up Christian and going to youth group knows this song I absolutely have never heard this song before, and I was positively marinated in bible camps/groups growing up. Prof. Crocodile posted:This is the only thing I learned in VBS that turned out to be true. Martin Luther: 100% right about the Catholics, don't talk about his views on the Jews.
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I was an insanely religious kid all the way through early college soooo I’ve seen it all. My brother and I used to go to VBS - which was just a day camp, youth retreats/camps were different - at this tiny church in Door County WI, one of the demographically oldest, whitest, and most baptist areas in the country. The thing was, this VBS was actually really decent? All religious insanity but not really political at all - especially for that church - and it was really high-budget and run well. There were like dozens of craft and snack tents every day, the adult volunteers were all Into It and having a genuine blast wearing costumes all day every day, and the daily skits often involved pyrotechnics that required the fire dept to be on site. Meanwhile my home church 300 miles away also did VBS and I ended up helping run it in high school, but that was more the “pay some Family Christian Bookstores associated company thousands of dollars for some pamphlets and vague ideas” scam type…we usually ended up just playing soccer outside until dark.
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Okay let's all make friendship bracelets, campers. Oh no, not for each other. For the only friend you need
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:One interesting trend in Christian music theme is a lot of rock bands that were sold in Christian music stores have now released explicit albums I once had a middle school teacher (a normal middle school, albeit one that taught abstinence-only) who told me I was wrong when I said there was an Evanescence song about suicide. His argument wasn't "yes but the song condemns it as a sin", it was flat out denial that his good Christian band would even mention the topic. Did I mention this guy was our science teacher I never actually paid attention to Evanescence outside of buying Fallen (it was required listening for moody teens writing sad fanfics), but apparently Amy Lee didn't even want to be labeled a Christian rock singer and it was mostly the record label and other distributors who keep pushing the association.
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Rockman Reserve posted:I was an insanely religious kid all the way through early college soooo I’ve seen it all. I was in the same boat until Highschool, thankfully I only had to really deal with somewhat sane Midwest style churches. Ironically a lot of the life/morality lessons stuck around with me, I just hate what a lot of the actual christian movement has turned into. The Left Behind books basically gave me a giant wakeup call to realize how goddamn hateful the religious right was. Rockman Reserve posted:Meanwhile my home church 300 miles away also did VBS and I ended up helping run it in high school, but that was more the “pay some Family Christian Bookstores associated company thousands of dollars for some pamphlets and vague ideas” scam type…we usually ended up just playing soccer outside until dark. I was so goddamn mad the one year I got roped into setting up VBS and found out the package that cost a couple hundred dollars was literally just 2 nice looking banners, a few cassettes that had about an hour of content between them, and some notebooks that had ideas for things to do but not an actual plan or anything to implement those ideas Deki fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jul 17, 2023 |
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MiracleFlare posted:I once had a middle school teacher (a normal middle school, albeit one that taught abstinence-only) who told me I was wrong when I said there was an Evanescence song about suicide. His argument wasn't "yes but the song condemns it as a sin", it was flat out denial that his good Christian band would even mention the topic. Did I mention this guy was our science teacher How many bands have done the, "We're not a Christian band, we're a band whose members happen to be Christian!" dance? My favorite example of this is Paramore, which split when some members left after feeling that others were too socially liberal and were writing sacrilegious lyrics.
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In my experience, VBS programs tend to be pretty inoffensive overall just because they're meant to be kind of an ambassadorship program to trick normies into sending their kids to your church for a few weeks. Lots of 'fun' stuff about Jesus and community and Bible stories about miracles and stuff. The real traumatic weird poo poo was youth group events. Again, I was *insanely* religious, I went on multiple international missions trips to build churches and work with unhoused people, I was deeply involved with my high school youth group and ended up teaching middle school youth group for a while. Even then, we'd try to have like "fun" nights on Sundays where we'd listen to Five Iron Frenzy and play Halo on the church projector and Age of Empires on the office LAN, where you were pretty explicitly encouraged to bring your friends to convert. The real poo poo went down on Wednesday nights, Bible study nights, where it was like two hours of adults shaming teenagers for being horny and really really harping on that "if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off" passage from Matthew (which introduced all kinds of really loving fun intrusive thoughts for a horny teenager pianist with a bandsaw at home). Meanwhile one of the youth pastors married a girl literally one grade ahead of me and the other stepped down because his wife caught him looking at porn (lol). Then there were the trips. Some churches call them bible camps, some call them retreats, the point is, you get a bunch of extremely repressed teenagers in a bunch of vans and drive them up to a campground and do the exact same talking-about-Jesus-and-shame thing but less comfortable and with more bug bites. Inevitably someone would 'hook up' (which I imagine was uuuusually just making out) and there'd be a frantic bit of hushed drama as the adults tried to deal with it. Someone else would get brutally injured somehow (highlights I recall were a kid getting his tooth knocked the gently caress out playing broomball on an ice rink and then on a later year - the same poor kid - almost losing an eye to a rough shot in sting pong). At least one parental chaperone would just loving lose it halfway through the weekend/week and start openly swearing and smoking in front of the kids. The point is, those trips were loving poison. The whole point was that everyone is all awful and irredeemable - but hey, we're all awful and irredeemable together, so you should spend all your time with your Church Family to be a better bride of Christ. What I'm saying, I guess, is there are levels to this poo poo and it gets insidious fast even at seemingly 'normal' churches.
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oh, so the VN We Know the Devil was less of an exaggeration than I thought, huh
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It sucks that that was your experience, but I don’t think that was universal. I went to a “normal” (i.e. mainline Protestant) church, and our retreats were honestly super fun. I would expect most Lutherans, Methodists, UCC congregations to be way more to the chill end of the scale. Evangelicals, fundamentalists, new megachurches is where you’re likely to see a focus on mission trips, sexual purity, and uhh evangelizing. I literally never heard one word about jerking off, can’t even begin to imagine it being brought up. I will admit, though, that we were no strangers to gross injuries caused by Sardines or Swat
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Rockman Reserve posted:In my experience, VBS programs tend to be pretty inoffensive overall just because they're meant to be kind of an ambassadorship program to trick normies into sending their kids to your church for a few weeks. Lots of 'fun' stuff about Jesus and community and Bible stories about miracles and stuff. Mormon?
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Jesus is just all right with me. I used to go to church with my friends on Wednesday nights just to hang out. We sang some songs and played board games. I know it happens and it honestly sucks for anyone who's been though it, but if they were trying to indoctrinate me they failed really hard. I'll count myself lucky tho because that doesn't seem to be most people's experience
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I went to sad milquetoast Protestant day-VBS and I loving hated it and the big finale was when they wheeled in a goat (sheep?) And told us it was the lamb of god. And even as a 9 year old I was like, nuh-uh. Then, the animal performed a miracle and I fell to my knees and prayed and my heavenly soul was reborn.
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Anne Whateley posted:It sucks that that was your experience, but I don’t think that was universal. I went to a “normal” (i.e. mainline Protestant) church, and our retreats were honestly super fun. I would expect most Lutherans, Methodists, UCC congregations to be way more to the chill end of the scale. Evangelicals, fundamentalists, new megachurches is where you’re likely to see a focus on mission trips, sexual purity, and uhh evangelizing. I literally never heard one word about jerking off, can’t even begin to imagine it being brought up. Yeah. my family bounced around churches as we moved, and the Methodist/Wisconsin Synod Lutheran/ELCA Lutheran churches weren't loving weird about sex. They were pretty pro-abstinence as a whole, but not in a "yer going to hell" way.
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redshirt posted:Mormon? No way, Mormons don't do charity missions, only "teaching" missions. And they actually don't smoke or drink or swear.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Any person growing up Christian and going to youth group knows this song wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niCgFJB2SGU Assuming the 90's anyway. William Bear posted:How many bands have done the, "We're not a Christian band, we're a band whose members happen to be Christian!" dance? My favorite example of this is Paramore, which split when some members left after feeling that others were too socially liberal and were writing sacrilegious lyrics. Flyleaf. They tried so hard NOT to be that group but they were absolutely that group. Rockman Reserve posted:Then there were the trips. Some churches call them bible camps, some call them retreats, the point is, you get a bunch of extremely repressed teenagers in a bunch of vans and drive them up to a campground and do the exact same talking-about-Jesus-and-shame thing but less comfortable and with more bug bites. Inevitably someone would 'hook up' (which I imagine was uuuusually just making out) and there'd be a frantic bit of hushed drama as the adults tried to deal with it. Someone else would get brutally injured somehow (highlights I recall were a kid getting his tooth knocked the gently caress out playing broomball on an ice rink and then on a later year - the same poor kid - almost losing an eye to a rough shot in sting pong). At least one parental chaperone would just loving lose it halfway through the weekend/week and start openly swearing and smoking in front of the kids. The point is, those trips were loving poison. The whole point was that everyone is all awful and irredeemable - but hey, we're all awful and irredeemable together, so you should spend all your time with your Church Family to be a better bride of Christ. Oh man, the retreats. Last one I was on was on some godawful Florida beach, I don't remember which. During some dance party someone played "The Thong Song" which caused a minor scandal, then two groups of guys got in a rapidly escalating prank war that ended with a room being blasted with fire extinguisher foam and the fire department arriving. We also had to listen to one of the youth interns talk about masturbation for an hour. I guess our trips never got TOO wild, at least as far as I was aware. The bus trip from Texas to Florida was a special kind of Hell I will never repeat, though. peanut posted:No way, Mormons don't do charity missions, only "teaching" missions. I would guess Southern Baptist. The Bible fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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