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Benny Harvey posted:Is night soil really that bad? It's also a thing in China. Is it that much worse than using horse manure? For crops grown for human consumption, yes it's much worse. The sort of bacteria and parasites found in human poo poo are de facto the kind that can thrive in humans, which makes it a big deal with even the slightest bit of contamination. Using horse manure to fertilize crops grown for horse feed has similar issues - ideally you'd use manure from a different animal for that.
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You can process it to make it safe - pasteurisation and partial compostation, effectively. At least one company in the USA does that. However, there's a 2nd problem: people take medication and piss and poo poo it out. If you mix the piss (where afaik most of the medication leaves the body) and poo poo, you'll get all kinds of fun chemicals in your fertilizer. It's fiiiine in the short term, but it's probably really bad for the population as a whole, if you do it year after year after year. The proper way to do it, is to extract the actual plant nutrients from the man manure, and turn those into artificial fertilizer the same way we do with mined minerals. In any case, for 3rd world countries that *really* need fertilizer, i think the first step towards healthier fertilizer, would be to heat the night soil they have to 70ish degrees which will already get rid of all living parasites and also most bacteria. You should be able to do that with the sun's power. Wood fire on rainy days i guess. LimaBiker fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jul 21, 2023 |
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Jean-Paul Shartre posted:Actually light is the benevolent gift emanating from the wisdom of Dear Leader.
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Maybe he wanted a Wikipedia article. Ever considered doing something with your life worth articling? Didn't think so
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LimaBiker posted:You can process it to make it safe - pasteurisation and partial compostation, effectively. At least one company in the USA does that. AFAIK it's not terribly different from other compost. Done properly, the compost itself will generate enough heat to kill the microbes in question- it works the same way with plant diseases if you compost diseased plants. The risks are much higher though and the law of large numbers dictates that there will be problems if you try to do it on a civilizational scale, especially in a place with poor infrastructure where you may be doing the composting around the village, the crops themselves, or water sources where runoff can cause contamination from poo poo that's still being processed. I'm not sure how big the medication thing is going to be in rural north korea 
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Imagine being this guy's family. After all his car kicking shenanigans, the phone rings. You pick it up and think "god, what now? hope he's not running face first into north korea exclaiming 'ha haha ha' or the like"
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Jul 21, 2023 13:38
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Poop eaters itt
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enough dancing around, let's cut to the chase and call it what it is - night soil is poopie
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LimaBiker posted:You can process it to make it safe - pasteurisation and partial compostation, effectively. At least one company in the USA does that. 70ish Celsius?
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LimaBiker posted:In any case, for 3rd world countries that *really* need fertilizer, i think the first step towards healthier fertilizer, would be to heat the night soil they have to 70ish degrees which will already get rid of all living parasites and also most bacteria. You should be able to do that with the sun's power. Wood fire on rainy days i guess. That one furry that was microwaving diapers to reuse them was right then?
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Mozi posted:enough dancing around, let's cut to the chase and call it what it is - night soil is poopie Poop is people.
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teemolover42069 posted:weed is legal in north korea...thats all i need to know baby lets go Must suck to get the munchies and have nothing to eat but shitted grass.
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North Korea has good meth too.
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Beartaco posted:No need to go digging around cspam Words to post by
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poverty goat posted:AFAIK it's not terribly different from other compost. Done properly, the compost itself will generate enough heat to kill the microbes in question- it works the same way with plant diseases if you compost diseased plants. The risks are much higher though and the law of large numbers dictates that there will be problems if you try to do it on a civilizational scale, especially in a place with poor infrastructure where you may be doing the composting around the village, the crops themselves, or water sources where runoff can cause contamination from poo poo that's still being processed. http://humanurehandbook.com
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bossy lady posted:That one furry that was microwaving diapers to reuse them was right then? Lmao
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I microwave all my underwear. Saves wear and tear from washing.
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I supposed irradiated, shitted undies would technically be sterile… What kind of radiation can pinworms survive against?
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Poohs Packin posted:Poop eaters itt Professional Poop eaters.
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Best Korea utilizes ingenious tactics to ensure the health and prosperity of its people. Irradiating the people's soil to ensure it's usefulness is a new genius farming tactic that the great leader invented post death
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I actually weirdly studied parasites and animal Bio. If you or your animals are consuming only plant matter and are generally parasite free, you don't have a drat thing to worry about. I had a Prof who would offer deer poo poo to people to try (he himself ate a chocolate covered caramel). If you have any parasites or generally a bubbly tummy, a scientific term, then you really need to be careful. Someone said pasteurization, but boiling the poo poo out of it works too. The problem is that many parasites have a cyst life stage which can outlive a lot of things and will make it's way into your muscle tissue, gut, or anywhere else that's somewhat ignored by the immune system.
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bossy lady posted:That one furry that was microwaving diapers to reuse them was right then? That was uncle Buck. Pulling an eleven-inch parasitic worm from a DPRK defector is something else.
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The famous NK soldier's defection, wounding and subsequent recovery was noted in the press as having complications due to multiple parasites. He didn't just have a tapeworm or whatever, but apparently parasites growing in and/or around his organs, maybe in the muscles like trichinosis? In any case it sounded pretty drat grim. It's apparently not just a matter of farming methods and food consumption, but the most basic medical care for the enlisted isn't there. I'd hate to think what the average scrub is walking around with.
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Herbicidal Maniac posted:I actually weirdly studied parasites and animal Bio. If you or your animals are consuming only plant matter and are generally parasite free, you don't have a drat thing to worry about. I had a Prof who would offer deer poo poo to people to try (he himself ate a chocolate covered caramel). If you have any parasites or generally a bubbly tummy, a scientific term, then you really need to be careful. Someone said pasteurization, but boiling the poo poo out of it works too. Did you eat some of the deer poo poo OP?
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I study things weirdly too 
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Herbicidal Maniac posted:Someone said pasteurization, but boiling the poo poo out of it works too. if you boil the poo poo out of poo poo then what's left??? doesn't make sense!
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Big rear end On Fire posted:The famous NK soldier's defection , wounding and subsequent recovery was noted in the press as having complications due to multiple parasites. He didn't just have a tapeworm or whatever, but apparently parasites growing in and/or around his organs, maybe in the muscles like trichinosis? In any case it sounded pretty drat grim. Thought this said defecation.
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Big rear end On Fire posted:The famous NK soldier's defection, wounding and subsequent recovery was noted in the press as having complications due to multiple parasites. He didn't just have a tapeworm or whatever, but apparently parasites growing in and/or around his organs, maybe in the muscles like trichinosis? In any case it sounded pretty drat grim. jokes aside and realtalk: if you actually read the articles, it's not that he had crazy parasites outside of his intestines, it's that getting hit with six or seven bullets put his usual intestinal parasites into the rest of his abdomen. that added an extra emergency complication to his already serious wounds. it's not that different from a regular abdomen wound. everyone stores poo poo in there, but if a bullet pierces the poop chute then a serious wound gets extra serious because the poop is not supposed to be inundating your liver. just add tapeworms to that. bad time. i'm glad the dude lived.
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kntfkr posted:North Korea has good meth too. That'll help with the hunger! God drat these people are loving on the ball
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Man meth and a lean population? Wow north Korea's the place to go it seems
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Guy has clearly lost his mind, I feel a bit sorry for him. When I went full bingo bongo bonkers I "only" woke up in England after 20 days with 90 stitches, a new girlfriend and a "joose4lyfe" neck tattoo. Amateur hour compared to this total legend.
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Benny Harvey posted:Is night soil really that bad? It's also a thing in China. Is it that much worse than using horse manure? Its perfectly fine IF you sterilize the poop before use. In America (and I'm sure other countries) the "solids" from municipal sewer systems are routinely used to fertilize crops with no issues. Its all heat sterilized before being sent to farms.
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Breaking out my (outdated, I'm sure) studies from AG science.... Feeding animals that have known parasites, prions or other diseases back to the same species will likely cause a wide spread outbreak. Mad Cow disease ect. Not all diseases are zoonotic, so they don't easily transfer. But when they do...
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Prions are largely caused by consuming the diseased brains of your own species. Don't grind up your dead cattle to save a dollar.
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And Def don't be eating things that you know are contaminated with decomposing dead humans
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i thought this was a free country
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ate loads of cheap 90s UK beef might have some sneaky cow disease hiding my brain
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Man meth and a lean population? Wow north Korea's the place to go it seems Best Korea not contributing to climate change excluding nuclear rockets and deforestation. They are like a shining star.
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Mozi posted:i thought this was a free country Treeko is just saying that to scare you off and hog all the good people brain grown cropsfor themselves 
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