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Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

MakaVillian posted:

True draft value is subjective but your draft team should still be working up likely preferences for the rest of the league and clearly neither Buffalo or Carolina were going to pick him. Sure an extra 4th or 5th isn't likely to make a big difference but you still need to maximize all aspects of your draft, getting locked in on 1 guy is how you do things like draft Penix #8 or Bo Nix #12.

I'm not mad or anything, he's a great fit for the system and it wasn't a massive overdraft, but mildly perplexed.

I think a lot of fans forget that trading down can only be done if you have a willing trade partner. In the majority of cases, such a team simply doesn't exist. No one is interested in trading to that spot.

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MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Carolina would've been interested in trading up I have to imagine

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

MakaVillian posted:

Carolina would've been interested in trading up I have to imagine

Counterpoint: David Tepper.

Anyway my only thought about Ricky Pearsall is that he can't possibly be as bad a pick as A.J. Jenkins was.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Apr 26, 2024

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:



Anyway my only thought about Ricky Pearsall is that he can't possibly be as bad a pick as A.J. Jenkins was.

:hmmyes:

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Nervous posted:

The Seahawks have failed to draft AR12 for the 2nd year in a row :(

If he had honor, GM John would seppuku :(

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

the los angeles rams have traded up and drafted Braden Fiske, DT Florida State, at pick #39

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 27, 2024

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

In the face of a massive run on DBs, the Cardinals take Max Melton, CB Rutgers at pick #43.

JPrime
Jul 4, 2007

tales of derring-do, bad and good luck tales!
College Slice

Leperflesh posted:

In the face of a massive run on DBs, the Cardinals take Max Melton, CB Rutgers at pick #43.

solid football name. :hai:

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Leperflesh posted:

the los angeles rams have traded up and drafted Braden Fiske, TD Florida State, at pick #39

ahh I fucken hate that I really wanted Michael Hall Jr

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

niners traded back 1 spot with the chiefs, and pick at #64

niners take Renardo Green, CB Florida State

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Apr 27, 2024

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Leperflesh posted:

niners traded back 1 spot with the chiefs, and pick at #64

niners take Renardo Green, CB Florida State

BOOOOOOooooooo

Coldforge
Oct 29, 2002

I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

Leperflesh posted:

niners traded back 1 spot with the chiefs, and pick at #64

niners take Renardo Green, CB Florida State

Is this a Florida Man draft class for the 49ers?

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I got poke

Cardinals drafted Trey Benson, RB Florida State at #66
and
Isaiah Adams, OT Illinois, at #71

they still have two more picks this round lol

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

With the 81st pick, the seattle seahawks pick Christian Haynes, offensive guard, UConn
With the 82nd pick, the arizona cardinals select Tip Reiman, TE Illinois

e. at #83, the LA Rams choose Blake Corum, RB Michigan

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray
Cardinals are absolutely killing it, I have to admit

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005
Niners finally got an OL. He seems very tall.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

The san francisco football forty-niners trade, From PHI through HOU, and select at #86 Dominick Puni OT Kansas, a non-floridian.

Trade: Eagles get 94, 132 for 86

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Apr 27, 2024

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Papercut posted:

Niners finally got an OL. He seems very tall.

He's 6'5" and 320lbs. Large men establish The Run.

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Leperflesh posted:

The san francisco football forty-niners trade, From PHI through HOU, and select at #86 Dominick Puni OT Kansas, a non-floridian.

Trade: Eagles get 94, 132 for 86

I've checked twitter and the conclusions is that he is a 'versatile, blue collar OL'

Lifespan
Mar 5, 2002
Surprised Haynes fell to 81, great pick.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

At #90, the Cardinals take Elijah Jones, CB Boston College

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

At 99, LA Rams take Kamren Kinchens, Safety, Miami

Cat Hassler
Feb 7, 2006

Slippery Tilde
Hey an O line pick! Maybe this will help

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Lifespan posted:

Surprised Haynes fell to 81, great pick.

Meh stats :geno:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/christian-haynes

Fun RAS :)
https://ras.football/ras-information/

Haynes at 81 does seem like good value, most boards rated him somewhere in the mid to late second.

I am happy that they added some talent to IOL :kiddo:

Nit Wit Dog Shit
Sep 28, 2000

Toilet Rascal

Leperflesh posted:

e. at #83, the LA Rams choose Blake Corum, RB Michigan

If he can adjust to the NFL (all arrows are pointing up), it should be interesting teaming up with Kyren Williams and Ronnie Rivers.

:schotty:

Nit Wit Dog Shit fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Apr 27, 2024

EmbryoSteve
Dec 18, 2004

Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

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Ornery and Hornery posted:

Meh stats :geno:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/christian-haynes

Fun RAS :)
https://ras.football/ras-information/

Haynes at 81 does seem like good value, most boards rated him somewhere in the mid to late second.

I am happy that they added some talent to IOL :kiddo:

The profiles I read say he's the best "pure guard" in the draft. I'm stoked to get best interior dline and best guard in the draft

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


Ornery and Hornery posted:

Meh stats :geno:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/christian-haynes

Fun RAS :)
https://ras.football/ras-information/

Haynes at 81 does seem like good value, most boards rated him somewhere in the mid to late second.

I am happy that they added some talent to IOL :kiddo:

I feel like this was a good pick value wise and am happy they did not trade up.

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

EmbryoSteve posted:

The profiles I read say he's the best "pure guard" in the draft. I'm stoked to get best interior dline and best guard in the draft

lol I love the prospect but it’s Fox News level spin to try and say he’s the best guard in the draft.

With that said he’s on the hawks so yes he will be the best guard from this class (maybe best guard in the league)!! Screw you Niners!

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


https://twitter.com/CorbinSmithNFL/status/1784256594647392373

The response about being surprised the Broncos answer the phone after the Russ trade made me laugh

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice
I don't understand the game theory behind single-draft position trades. It seems like either the teams want the same player (so why trade down?) or they don't (so why trade up?) Do they only happen in a narrow band of strategic ambiguity? Or is it the kind of thing where the team trading down says "ok you can have the guy in exchange for a late-round pick?"

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
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Toilet Rascal

raminasi posted:

I don't understand the game theory behind single-draft position trades. It seems like either the teams want the same player (so why trade down?) or they don't (so why trade up?) Do they only happen in a narrow band of strategic ambiguity? Or is it the kind of thing where the team trading down says "ok you can have the guy in exchange for a late-round pick?"

Usually they have a guy they really want, and hear other teams in front of them want to pick them so it's more or less grab the guy you really want vs 2 guys you kinda like.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

Leperflesh posted:

With the 81st pick, the seattle seahawks pick Christian Haynes, offensive guard, UConn
With the 82nd pick, the arizona cardinals select Tip Reiman, TE Illinois

e. at #83, the LA Rams choose Blake Corum, RB Michigan

Just the Tip

Gully Foyle
Feb 29, 2008

raminasi posted:

I don't understand the game theory behind single-draft position trades. It seems like either the teams want the same player (so why trade down?) or they don't (so why trade up?) Do they only happen in a narrow band of strategic ambiguity? Or is it the kind of thing where the team trading down says "ok you can have the guy in exchange for a late-round pick?"

It's way more often team one spot ahead doesn't want the guy, but there may be multiple teams behind that want them - so the team shops out the pick to the team that gives them the best trade deal. The team trading up really wants that guy and doesn't want another team to move into that spot.

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Seahawks pick a LB in the fourth.

Tyrice Knight is has bad size, average strength, good speed.

Odd combo for a LB.

Guess it’s TE-coverage and anti-screen LB duties?

Potential good special teamer.

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray
In the division, I would rate the Cardinals' draft highest, followed by the Seahawks', then the Rams, then the 49ers.

Kind of a not super impressive draft compared to some others imo, especially for the Rams and Niners although I'm hoping I'm wrong. The Bears, Broncos, Jets, Steelers and Dolphins were teams that I think did very very well.

Lifespan
Mar 5, 2002

Ornery and Hornery posted:

Seahawks pick a LB in the fourth.

Tyrice Knight is has bad size, average strength, good speed.

Odd combo for a LB.

Guess it’s TE-coverage and anti-screen LB duties?

Potential good special teamer.

From what I was reading he has good tackle skills and speed so is considered a run defense specialist.

Play posted:

In the division, I would rate the Cardinals' draft highest, followed by the Seahawks', then the Rams, then the 49ers.

Lines up with the value of their draft capital so that would make sense. It's a rare year when none of the NFCW did some wacky trade or picked an unknown right off the bat.

Lifespan
Mar 5, 2002
Seahawks total:
Round 1, Pick 16: Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas
Round 3, Pick 81: Christian Haynes, G, UConn
Round 4, Pick 118: Tyrice Knight, LB, UTEP
Round 4, Pick 121: AJ Barner, TE, Michigan
Round 5, Pick 136: Nehemiah Pritchett, CB, Auburn
Round 6, Pick 179: Sataoa Laumea, OT, Utah
Round 6, Pick 192: D.J. James, CB, Auburn
Round 6, Pick 207: Michael Jerrell, OT, Findlay

Definitely a new era with an oddly safe and thoughtful draft. No RBs and actually drafting for the biggest needs. 3 OL, 2 CB, 1 LB, 1 DT, and 1 TE. Would have been cool to see a QB in there but wow were they overvalued in this draft.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
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Toilet Rascal
I was a little surprised to see Seattle didn't grab a WR/RB at least as a return specialist. Overall though I don't hate what they did, they weren't trying to be cute and the trade down was at a good spot.

EmbryoSteve
Dec 18, 2004

Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

I'm underwhelmed by day 3 picks for the hawks specifically the corners of the bad Auburn team. Didnt feel like a BPA 3rd day. Guess I thought safety was a bigger need than the corner that gave up 4th and 30 to Bama

Would have liked a shot at a qb but I guess they can still sign Pratt as an UDFA.

Loved the first two picks tho

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shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!
It sounds like the quality of this draft fell way off after round 3 and basically everyone was throwing darts after that. If that's the case I'd rather the Hawks take a chance on some high athleticism upside guys even if they're 90% to wash out.

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