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Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


CaptainSarcastic posted:

I agree that Sensate looks like scammy, and I have a hard time believing it would actually do anything other than maybe provide a placebo effect.

It doesn't help that "anxiety" is treated like a single thing, when it's actually an umbrella for a shitload of different types of anxiety. Certain drugs work well for certain kinds of anxiety, while doing fuckall for different kinds of anxiety. Mindfulness works great for a lot of types kind of anxiety, but not all. Depression is kind of similar, in that people often talk about it like it's a monolithic thing but it's actually a constellation of things that need different approaches to try to deal with.

:yeah:

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Nyan Bread
Mar 17, 2006

mysterious frankie posted:

This is the only premium level cyberpunk wearable that does anything for you.

https://www.dyson.com/headphones/zone

Noise cancellation stops the ambient aural horrors from entering.

The air filter keeps you safe from the eternally burning corpse of Canada.

Then you can play Wheel of Awareness through it on loop so that a gentle voiced doctor can keep calming you with reminders that you have intestines, thoughts, and neighbors.

If they added blinders it would be the ultimate headgear for horse-nerved men on the go.

as a horse-nerved individual myself, I absolutely dig their cyberpunk feedbag attachment

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

mysterious frankie posted:

Then you can play Wheel of Awareness through it on loop so that a gentle voiced doctor can keep calming you with reminders that you have intestines, thoughts, and neighbors.

wtf are you trying to kill me

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



EVERY TIME GOING posted:

as a horse-nerved individual myself, I absolutely dig their cyberpunk feedbag attachment


From what I read that is more a bioweapon for spreading respiratory illnesses than a feedbag. :shrug:

Also, I'd say I'm a horse-nerved individual but I can think of ants and survive, so I just don't know.

Troutful
May 31, 2011

I took too many edibles a few years ago and had the worst panic attack of my life. I was watching 30 Rock and started freaking out when I realized I couldn't keep track of the plot where Liz Lemon was trying to move a piano or something. Anyway, you can defuse a panic attack by letting it happen. Lie down (if you're feeling faint), remind yourself that anxiety can't kill you, and embrace feeling like total crap. I stopped having panic attacks once I started doing this.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Would it be worthwhile to consider this a general anxiety thread? God knows I know a lot about anxiety, and I think a lot of us are unfortunately well-acquainted with it. No pressure, and I totally understand if people would rather see that in E/N or elsewhere instead of here.

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?
I think it would be nice to have a thread like that. We recently had one talking about Wellbutrin and other meds and it's also kind of fresh, but hasn't been posted in recently. I don't really see any drawbacks to threads like these in GBS because whether it involves medication or not, everybody deals with anxiety at some point and it's good to talk about with other people.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

From what I read that is more a bioweapon for spreading respiratory illnesses than a feedbag. :shrug:

Does it... what, project your exhalations further outward than they'd normally go?

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

As far as a general anxiety thread: you've just got to be careful that it hits a good balance. I feel like all it would take is a couple bad posters (this hasn't happened yet it's just hypothetical) to turn a chill anxiety thread into a "lol nothing ever works for anxiety just give up and wallow" thread.

Like some other places on the internet (Reddit for example) can kind of lean in that direction and it can just make anxiety worse.

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

like a dozen or more people in this thread have all said mindfulness makes a meaningful difference

i feel like thats a pretty good threshold
in case that matters to anyone

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

GolfHole posted:

wtf are you trying to kill me

I'm not *trying* to kill you, but if you do die, I'll deal with the stress by experiencing the sensation of my own fingers.

SonOfGhostDad
Nov 16, 2022
OP, have you considered putting a crystal against your forehead? it's much cheaper and probably just as effective, but maybe the price point is part of the therapy

Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!

SonOfGhostDad posted:

OP, have you considered putting a crystal against your forehead? it's much cheaper and probably just as effective, but maybe the price point is part of the therapy
You sound like you have a real chip on your shoulder. Maybe get some therapy.

Eeyo posted:

I feel like all it would take is a couple bad posters

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Eeyo posted:

As far as a general anxiety thread: you've just got to be careful that it hits a good balance. I feel like all it would take is a couple bad posters (this hasn't happened yet it's just hypothetical) to turn a chill anxiety thread into a "lol nothing ever works for anxiety just give up and wallow" thread.

Like some other places on the internet (Reddit for example) can kind of lean in that direction and it can just make anxiety worse.

Yeah, that's why I was approaching it as a question, not a suggestion. I personally forget about E/N sometimes, although I rediscovered it recently, and I don't know how others feel about it. Anxiety is just such a bastard, and such a common one, I figured I'd see if there was interest in a thread for it. It's perfectly okay to feel it's not the time and/or place for it.

SonOfGhostDad
Nov 16, 2022

Jelly posted:

You sound like you have a real chip on your shoulder. Maybe get some therapy.

i have a lot of anxiety w/r/t properly charged crystals could Sensate help with that?

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


anxiety megathread would be sound imo, have been dealing with it for years myself. but like someone else said would just have to be careful about it turning into a "wallow in our own pity while getting hostile at suggestions for help" type thread.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Panic! At The Tesco posted:

anxiety megathread would be sound imo, have been dealing with it for years myself. but like someone else said would just have to be careful about it turning into a "wallow in our own pity while getting hostile at suggestions for help" type thread.

That seems like a really valid concern. Maybe if we started off with a dedicated thread IK? I mean, I'd almost certainly be present a lot but I am not around 24/7.

SonOfGhostDad
Nov 16, 2022
i agree. i occasionally have moderate to severe anxiety and i've found that microdose gummies help with it. honestly, despite my previous shitposting, if this Sensate thing helps with someone's anxiety, i say go for it

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

I have far too much anxiety to participate in the planning of an anxiety thread

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

I actually don't though lmao Clonidine is sort of a wonder drug, but I guess learning that most of my anxiety and adhd was coming as symptoms of ptsd helps

Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!

SonOfGhostDad posted:

i agree. i occasionally have moderate to severe anxiety and i've found that microdose gummies help with it. honestly, despite my previous shitposting, if this Sensate thing helps with someone's anxiety, i say go for it
I honestly doubt we'll find anyone willing to try that particular one. Another shifty thing about Sensate is it requires a subscription service to use the app. That other one I mentioned you can get for around half the price refurbished and it includes access to the app without additional costs.

Like if you all seriously want to make this an anxiety thread we can hijack the OP/title to promote the go-to things that people know work before reaching out into more 'unique' options. Things like-

1. See a therapist first is my recommendation as I feel it's a more comfortable environment and less clinical than diving right into a psychiatrist (unless your anxiety/depression is so bad that you're failing to function at day-to-day tasks)
I feel like they take a more caring approach and will both try to discover what is causing your anxiety/depression and introduce you to exercises that will help you control it.
Lots of people liked to drag mine for her recommendation but she has introduced me to mindfulness, generational trauma and familial systems among other things. She is a wonderful listener and trauma hound, and despite our polarity on belief systems (I am an atheist and she is a Christian) she has never even brought up religion even though I imagine she uses it as a tool with other patients.

Therapy is an incredible thing that the closest thing I have to liken to is learning guitar. Learning guitar is something I tried a number of years ago and it was hard, and it hurt, and I felt directionless. It felt impossible, and I gave up. Therapy is hard. You learn things but struggle to apply them. You set goals and struggle to make them. It's scary to go, but it feels good that you have. You question whether it's doing anything at all. And then you may not actively notice anything but you'll start thinking back about the last week/month and the differences in your emotional responses and you'll notice significant changes. You'll start seeing changes in how you're reacting to things, and you'll start recognizing that those changes are occurring because of the things you've been learning that you've been so sure that you weren't able to apply. So this year I went back to trying guitar, and slowly but surely, I think I'm getting it. (thanks justinguitar.com)

I found my therapist on psychologytoday.com . It may be a challenge, it's harder than it should be. Don't be afraid to shop around if you get one you don't vibe with. There are not enough therapists

2. If the therapy isn't enough, talk to a psychiatrist. I got a referral from my family doctor. Having knowledge learned from therapy will better arm you to inform your psychiatrist as well as make better decisions. You may have to experiment a bit. I tried Lexapro first and after the first few days it turned into what basically felt like an acid trip that lasted about three days after I stopped. That almost turned me off permanently (I already had prejudices against SSRI's), but as my general anxiety worsened I resorted to making another attempt and was prescribed Buspar, which has been very helpful.

3. Learn to meditate. Shits hard, and one of the main motivators I was curious about something as gimmicky as Sensate.

4. Other things - most of these are mentioned by at least one person in this thread and all of these are great ideas to try

Exercise. This is a big one for me. When I was struggling pretty much 24/7, walking was one of the few things that helped me. Keeping moving. Getting the heartbeat flowing. My therapist always raves about running but I'm not a runner.

Gravity/weighted blanket. Using one of these for the first time was just right. I wasn't really aware of how much it helped me but I really enjoyed it and I've never stopped using one. When I had my Lexapro episode this became a weird necessity and one of the few things that made me feel calm.

Massage. Check out the story of Temple Grandin. This one is kind of expensive so it's harder to put into practice, but I think everyone should give it a shot. I definitely store a ton of stress in my shoulders/back.

Less junk food, sugars. This is one I struggle with but it's also obvious imo (like when you eat a really healthy wholesome meal you will feel healthy and wholesome). My therapist has recommended a nutritionist but that's more advice I have yet to take.

Socialize. Even if you're an introvert. This is the hardest for me.

Hobbies. Anxiety and depression kill interest in hobbies, but if you can rekindle your interest, they act as a ward. Embrace your passions. Devote time to them. Any time you spend on passion is time not spent with your mind circling the drain. Work at finding what you love. Start reading again.

Get out of the house. At least once a day. I'm a heavy supporter of working from home but you have to supplement it because it's isolating, which is dangerous. Even if your outing is to a solitary nature escape, which mine often are.

Love yourself, forgive yourself. You have to love yourself to let yourself heal and learn.

Use your struggle to be kinder to others and recognize compassion is coupled with therapeutic progress.

Birds and plants, man.

Recommended literature:
The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk, M.D.
Retrain Your Brain: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in 7 Weeks by Seth J. Gillihan, PhD
Also check out the Headspace series on Netflix. It offers you meditative/relaxing/sleeping exercises. They're great.

Going to visit a friend for a bit but feel free to suggest what I've missed and I can sub this into the OP (I think)

kazr
Jan 28, 2005

GolfHole posted:

like a dozen or more people in this thread have all said mindfulness makes a meaningful difference

i feel like thats a pretty good threshold
in case that matters to anyone

The Miracle of Mindfulness by Thich Nhat Hanh is a great book I'd recommend to anyone

A low dose of Lexapro just about removed anxiety from my life. Pretty big game changer, feels good man.

PhonyMcRingRing
Jun 6, 2002

Hairy Right Hook posted:

That poo poo causes lifelong dependency. It's incredible for acute issues but I've seen people with regular doses get upped and upped and upped until they can't up them no more. Then they can't pivot because even weening off literally causes seizures.

this one woman i work with is on so much of that poo poo. she talks so drat slow that i swear it doubles the length of every meeting she's in.

PhonyMcRingRing
Jun 6, 2002

les enfants Terrific! posted:

you can stimulate your vagus nerve through your butthole which means that bone shaking prostate orgasms should count as therapy imho hth

this is why i dildo my rear end after work, to destress.

Hell Yeah
Dec 25, 2012

i agree hobbies should be something you can turn to when you have anxiety but with every single hobby i try i end up feeling 1 of 2 ways. either i feel like i'm wasting my time and could be doing something more useful and this is all pointless, or the hobby is too hard and i'm not working hard enough at it to ever be any good at it. i still do the fucken hobbies anyways god dammit *builds a cuckoo clock with little men that run around in a circle on the hour*

Hell Yeah
Dec 25, 2012

what is the POINT of paying my gym membership every month. I'll just get a year membership. but then what if i stop going, then it's a waste, it's not a valuable use of my money. i have not gone to the gym in 2 years

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


the outside world is my gym

in that i don't exercise in either

Halisnacks
Jul 18, 2009
This might sound incredibly basic, but when my mental health took a big hit, I started monitoring/writing down my mood and anxiety levels by day, and tracking foundational things like:

Did I sleep well last night?
Did I eat well today?
Did I exercise today?
Did I spend time outside?
Did I socialise?
Did I read for pleasure?
Did I limit my caffeine intake?
Did I limit my alcohol intake?

When I could mostly answer yes to all of those things most of the time, my mental health was generally doing well. So now it’s like a simple checklist, and if I see I’m coming on a few days without, say, reading or doing vigorous exercise, I’ll force myself to do those.

Sleep is often the one that is the least in “immediate” control, it’s also the most foundational. When your sleep is hosed it’s hard to get onto a good track mentally, physically and emotionally.

Hell Yeah
Dec 25, 2012

Halisnacks posted:

This might sound incredibly basic, but when my mental health took a big hit, I started monitoring/writing down my mood and anxiety levels by day, and tracking foundational things like:

Did I sleep well last night?
Did I eat well today?
Did I exercise today?
Did I spend time outside?
Did I socialise?
Did I read for pleasure?
Did I limit my caffeine intake?
Did I limit my alcohol intake?

When I could mostly answer yes to all of those things most of the time, my mental health was generally doing well. So now it’s like a simple checklist, and if I see I’m coming on a few days without, say, reading or doing vigorous exercise, I’ll force myself to do those.

Sleep is often the one that is the least in “immediate” control, it’s also the most foundational. When your sleep is hosed it’s hard to get onto a good track mentally, physically and emotionally.

incredibly simple things like this are the foundation of a decent life. that's why i dont do them and instead focus on poo poo that i have no control over

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Halisnacks posted:

Sleep is often the one that is the least in “immediate” control, it’s also the most foundational. When your sleep is hosed it’s hard to get onto a good track mentally, physically and emotionally.

Sleep is also something that doesn't get enough attention, with the semi-ironic "I'll sleep when I'm dead," productivity-worshipping "sleep is wasted time," and doctors not asking about it or not asking the right questions. Sleep deprivation magnifies everything else going on, especially anxiety.

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

i love sleep i hate sleep

Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!

Hell Yeah posted:

incredibly simple things like this are the foundation of a decent life. that's why i dont do them and instead focus on poo poo that i have no control over

Hell Yeah

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

Halisnacks posted:

This might sound incredibly basic, but when my mental health took a big hit, I started monitoring/writing down my mood and anxiety levels by day, and tracking foundational things like:

Did I sleep well last night?
Did I eat well today?
Did I exercise today?
Did I spend time outside?
Did I socialise?
Did I read for pleasure?
Did I limit my caffeine intake?
Did I limit my alcohol intake?

When I could mostly answer yes to all of those things most of the time, my mental health was generally doing well. So now it’s like a simple checklist, and if I see I’m coming on a few days without, say, reading or doing vigorous exercise, I’ll force myself to do those.

Sleep is often the one that is the least in “immediate” control, it’s also the most foundational. When your sleep is hosed it’s hard to get onto a good track mentally, physically and emotionally.

This is a good approach and I'm going to steal it from you.

I've experienced anxiety and depression for as long as I remember, but I was in my mid-twenties before I had a frank conversation with my parents and my Dad said "hey, actually, no not everyone hates being alive and is just pretending." At that point I started counselling and medication for the first time and it's been bumpy, but generally in an uphill direction since.

I'm on serlatine right now which works for me. I recently doubled my dosage and I'm on a waiting list for counselling.

What I find really hard right now is that my past anxieties were more "mundane" (what if I'm too ugly to love? What if I'm loving up my job? Am I good at anything?). Currently, everything is swamped by concern over international affairs and I'm kind of obsessed. Also, I don't know if its the meds, but if I read news and catastrophise, I need to sleep. I lose entire days to waking up, reading the news, freaking out and then needing to sleep. I was making good progress with hobbies (particularly making music), exercise and quitting drinking, but all of those have relapsed and I'm having trouble reading. I know these things make me happy, but I'm constantly scanning for threats.

les enfants Terrific!
Dec 12, 2008
with regards to weighted blankets, those fuckers can get ridiculously hot. if you're a warm sleeper, I found the heavy knit ones are so much cooler to sleep in, and the weight distribution is way better. no more picking a 20lb blanket up and shaking it until the beads settle.

I have also found that the heavy knit ones do not hold up well against kittens, though, so be aware of that

mystes
May 31, 2006

les enfants Terrific! posted:

with regards to weighted blankets, those fuckers can get ridiculously hot. if you're a warm sleeper, I found the heavy knit ones are so much cooler to sleep in, and the weight distribution is way better. no more picking a 20lb blanket up and shaking it until the beads settle.
How were the ones where you had problems with weight distribution designed? Normally I feel like they're stitched with baffles so they have a lot of small compartments and the beads can't really shift too much

Although personally I just use a normal one with a cover and I don't have too much trouble with it being hot as long as the temperature of my bedroom is okay (maybe more of an issue if you don't have air conditioning)

Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!
I haven't noticed excess heat from mine. They do a solid job of being a blanket so I don't use any comforter or anything else besides a sheet. They don't allow as much heat out from the sides due to the weight, but they're also generally not designed to drape over the edge, so they're easier to kick up and let some air in. Also agree with the baffling comment above, I've only owned a couple but both are like that and didn't have any distribution issues.

Also wanted to interject I think my misophonia is intrinsically linked to my anxiety so anyone who wants to talk about that feel free as well.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Jelly posted:

Also agree with the baffling comment above
I think my comment was perfectly sensible actually :colbert:

Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!

mystes posted:

I think my comment was perfectly sensible actually :colbert:
:golfclap:

Hell Yeah
Dec 25, 2012

Disco Pope posted:

. Currently, everything is swamped by concern over international affairs and I'm kind of obsessed.

do not do this

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Hell Yeah
Dec 25, 2012

don't watch the news, don't follow politics. they're both designed (yes designed) to cause anxiety. it's the same thing as watching alex jones but for some reason it's viewed as acceptable. don't consume the white man's news it is meant to subjugate you and destroy your soul and make you into a little bitch. don't do it!!!

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