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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_1.pdf

There's the indictment.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

CBJSprague24 posted:

CNN says four counts.

E- CNN believes Trump, Powell, Jeffrey Clark, and one other person charged.

Yeah if those co-conspirators get charged, Smith is going for all of the ringleaders. Unclear if they're getting charged though.

6pm statement from Smith

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



I'll note that the four charges there are not charges that would prevent him from running for president. He could win in a prison cell. Likely any sentence he receives will be stayed until the election, though.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

FrozenVent posted:

At least in GBS, maybe three or four hours after the second tower fell.

GBS, When the Towers Fell

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

facialimpediment posted:

Yeah if those co-conspirators get charged, Smith is going for all of the ringleaders. Unclear if they're getting charged though.

6pm statement from Smith

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1686491591593086976?t=AGrfKSqVHmIGPhCgnbSEOQ&s=19

They speculate Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, and Clark.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Mr. Nice! posted:

I'll note that the four charges there are not charges that would prevent him from running for president. He could win in a prison cell. Likely any sentence he receives will be stayed until the election, though.

Donnie's always been obsessed about everything becoming an up-or-down vote about how awesome he is. With his backing, 2024 is shaping up to be an up-or-down vote about him going to prison or not.

Edit: haha Donnie got an Obama judge

https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1686492762714120193?t=S0uT3aKjM4dRP-NNPwqX-g&s=19

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

facialimpediment posted:

Donnie's always been obsessed about everything becoming an up-or-down vote about how awesome he is. With his backing, 2024 is shaping up to be an up-or-down vote about him going to prison or not.

Trump for Prison Bitch 2024 needs to be a shirt and hat.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

CBJSprague24 posted:

Trump for Prison Bitch 2024 needs to be a shirt and hat.

Lots of freaked-out people scared about the trump-biden 43-43 poll (that's far too early to mean anything at all), and democrats worried about turnout, but an up-or-down vote on that kind of thing will probably do it.

THREAD TITLE ALERT

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1686493395252830208?t=5JYuQdyxfuMZm88wlxsGnQ&s=19

"It's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy poo poo beamed down from the mothership"

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 1, 2023

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The best thing that could happen to either party is that their guy is unable to run, and they all know it.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Why else would the Dems be so obviously grooming RFK Jr for candidacy?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

I want to share my Buddy's Take on RFK, Jr.
"Of course he's controlled opposition- he's a Kennedy that's still alive."

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



I've identified a few co-conspirators.

#1 is Rudy
#2 is John Eastman
#3 is Sidney Powell
#4 is Jeffrey Clark

I'm not sure who #5 and #6 are just yet, but that could be trivially figured out.

Also here comes Jack Smith.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
i can't believe they'd indicate trump again

facialimpediment posted:

THREAD TITLE ALERT

:discourse:

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Mr. Nice! posted:


I'm not sure who #5 and #6 are just yet, but that could be trivially figured out.

#5 is the Cheeseman:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1686495289023025153?t=o7Hl_CaW6n6cookOwQumzw&s=19

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/25/trump-attorney-fake-electors-subpoena-00053765

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
Well, clearly I need to turn over to fox new to get the real hot take on Hunter Biden's huge fun having dong then.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Possible alternate thread title from Mike Fanone:

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1686501079985328128?t=yevBZTV14KUR_szcWGbdaQ&s=19

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
I'd save the FAFO for whenever he actually sees consequences beyond indictment, like conviction or prison time

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Mr. Nice! posted:

I've identified a few co-conspirators.

#1 is Rudy
#2 is John Eastman
#3 is Sidney Powell
#4 is Jeffrey Clark

I'm not sure who #5 and #6 are just yet, but that could be trivially figured out.

A good point from Andrew Weissman on MSNBC, since #6 isn't obvious on the indictment, there's a big fat omission.

Where's Mark Meadows? :v:

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Does co-conspirator lead to the possibility of "cooperate or go down with him"?

not caring here posted:

Well, clearly I need to turn over to fox new to get the real hot take on Hunter Biden's huge fun having dong then.

I briefly flipped to FOX during The Five because I apparently hate myself and Watters was crowing about "Well, if he's in trouble for LYING about the election then HILLARY..."

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


My guess is that these trials are all just gonna stop when he’s sworn in for his second term and none of them are finished yet (of the ones that aren’t already dismissed)

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

CBJSprague24 posted:

I briefly flipped to FOX during The Five because I apparently hate myself and Watters was crowing about "Well, if he's in trouble for LYING about the election then HILLARY..."

Their initial reaction when they received the printed-out indictment was for Waters to say “PROVE that he knew the allegations of fraud were false.” :smug:

Not realizing they are likely going to do exactly this by having people who have flipped testify to that fact.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
From MSNBC: https://www.msnbc.com/trump-investigation/live-blog/trump-indictment-jack-smith-2020-election-jan-6-live-updates-rcna97476

quote:

Smith’s indictment refers to six “co-conspirators” who allegedly helped Trump. They’re not named in the document itself, but based on the descriptions and previous reporting, here’s my best guesses as to who they might be:

a. Co-Conspirator 1, [Rudy Giuliani,] an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant’s 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not.

b. Co-Conspirator 2, [John Eastman,] an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing the certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.

c. Co-Conspirator 3, [Sidney Powell,] an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded “crazy.” Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3’s disinformation.

d. Co-Conspirator 4, [Jeffrey Clark,] a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.

E. Co-Conspirator 5, [Kenneth Chesboro,] an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

f. Co-Conspirator 6, [Ginni Thomas,] a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

Note, we do not have confirmation on any of these names besides John Eastman. We also do not know whether any of the co-conspirators will face similar charges to those filed against Trump.

That #6 is spicy.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
I’ll believe #6 when I see it, there’s a fuckload of political consultants in DC.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


FrozenVent posted:

I’ll believe #6 when I see it, there’s a fuckload of political consultants in DC.

I am only going total pessimist vibe on any of this coming to a conclusion. I think I just kinda have to to be able to not have my head wrapped around this poo poo 24/7 like a lot of us were 2-3 years ago. I don't want to waste headspace like that again it just eats at you.

I would love to have good news all the same.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.


That's at least a four pepper right there, :wow:


facialimpediment posted:

Lots of freaked-out people scared about the trump-biden 43-43 poll (that's far too early to mean anything at all), and democrats worried about turnout, but an up-or-down vote on that kind of thing will probably do it.

THREAD TITLE ALERT

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1686493395252830208?t=5JYuQdyxfuMZm88wlxsGnQ&s=19

"It's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy poo poo beamed down from the mothership"

Overshadowed by the mothership, but Elite Strike Force Legal Team is a pretty good user/band name right there.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u

Spicy is a loving understatement.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Ginni fits, but it's so goddamn vague that MSNBC is still on an island with that one.

Edit: an alternate explanation that would also fit - Boris

https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1686524260540424192?t=opHy9fTjBrPLDovukH73ag&s=19

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 2, 2023

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1686495183322382336

^This^ was where I turned on The Five and immediately before (as in literally the sentence before) Watters' bit about HILLARY.

https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1686503225749385217

Uh, is there any other confirmation of this?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

CBJSprague24 posted:

Uh, is there any other confirmation of this?

It's wrong. The person was Marc Short, the VP's chief of staff that alerted secret service about his concerns on the 5th.

That Xer mistook the president's chief of staff (Meadows) for the VP's (Short).

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Japan still hasn't come around to owning up what they did during World War 2 and it remains really bizarre.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
https://twitter.com/De_La_Bosque/status/1686514778607583232?s=20

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

CommieGIR posted:

Japan still hasn't come around to owning up what they did during World War 2 and it remains really bizarre.

Yeah, was interesting to learn recently how brutal they were during late war occupations in Vietnam when they had zero chance of victory, or razing Manila out of spite. And they still barely surrendered when they did.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.
Someone should tweet to the offended parties "It's not about you." in a way they'd understand.

SquirrelyPSU
May 27, 2003


Zamujasa posted:

I'd save the FAFO for whenever he actually sees consequences beyond indictment, like conviction or prison time

As for right now the dude can still run for office and walk the streets. I'll break the bottle open after the fact.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
https://twitter.com/sherrod_im/status/1686538302906589185?s=20

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.
She's paid her debt for a victimless crime she didn't even commit. She started Theranos with the best of intentions and it's a shame that things didnt work out the way she intended them. Besides, keeping her incarcerated is just preventing her from auditioning as the lead Vocalist of Type O Negative.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

facialimpediment posted:

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1686493395252830208?t=5JYuQdyxfuMZm88wlxsGnQ&s=19

"It's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy poo poo beamed down from the mothership"

It's remarkable the number of people who realize everything he says and does is bullshit, but they keep riding the train nonetheless out of fear of an obese 78-year-old with a diet and lifestyle that could cause him to keel over at any moment.

"Look, there's no way any of this will amount to anything other than a thread title on a message board, but we don't want to be on Durr Fuhrer's bad side so..."

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


CommieGIR posted:

Japan still hasn't come around to owning up what they did during World War 2 and it remains really bizarre.

How so? I'm not familiar with the subject outside of shitposts like

https://twitter.com/wildtiktokss/status/1668969512480174080?s=20

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Kith posted:

How so? I'm not familiar with the subject outside of shitposts like

https://twitter.com/wildtiktokss/status/1668969512480174080?s=20

They basically teach WW2 as "We were trying to be an Asian superpower. Everyone else disagreed. After the war..."

They teach a beyond than bland accounting if WW2

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Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

They still dont acknowledge that unit 731 existed or that the rape of nanking happened last I knew.

Edit: nanking was so bad the nazi observers got involved to safeguard people

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