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Maddux, in his semi-famous "hitters can't tell the difference between pitch speeds" spiel he says "except for that motherfucker Tony Gwynn" https://twitter.com/SherwoodStrauss/status/478591861569748992 Maddux never struck out Gwynn in 107 PAs
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Intruder posted:Gwynn struck out 434 times in 20 years, he's definitely an unfair benchmark Gwynn was obviously the best, but point was more there's no one really coming up that's got the same approach. Teams have accepted its fine to strike out a lot. From a strategic perspective I get it - make pitchers throw more pitches, and a strikeout is better than a GIDP on the first pitch. But from a watchable perspective it's probably worse.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Looking at Gwynn’s bref page is wild. The man only had one season with more strikeouts than walks, his first year in the majors. 14 walks, 16 strikeouts. 53 players struck out more times last year than Joe Sewell did in his 13 year major league career.
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Eric the Mauve posted:If you're going to shrink the zone then you have to deaden the ball, otherwise you'll get dudes hitting 90 home runs a year. And I would confidently predict that if you deaden the ball enough to get the home runs back in line then BABIP will crater, because for various reasons fielders are way better than they were even 20-30 years ago, which fact is currently obscured by high exit velos which would drop sharply with a deader ball.
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Intruder posted:There's that Edward Gaedel story who was a 3'7 dwarf who made one appearance as a pinch hitter, walked because he had no strike zone, then got lifted for a pinch runner quote:American League president Will Harridge, saying Veeck was making a mockery of the game, voided Gaedel's contract the next day. In response, Veeck threatened to request an official ruling on whether Yankees shortstop and reigning American League MVP Phil Rizzuto, who stood 5 feet 6 inches (1.68 m), was a short ballplayer or a tall dwarf.
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seiferguy posted:Rickey Henderson famously had a crouched stance, it's legal but umps and pitchers hate it. Also, batters generally can't get as much power from the windup but Rickey managed to make it work. Stance has pretty much zero effect on a hitters power, it's mostly personal preference. The gather backwards puts most hitters in the same position which then transitions into the forward stride. Where you start (stance) doesn't matter that much unless you have a flaw in your swing causing you to not get into proper gather because your stance makes it take too long or something. That's why you see so many variations like Bagwell, Youkilis, Bellinger, Soto etc...
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bawfuls posted:I do not think these assertions are backed up by history. MLB has shrunk the zone in the past and it did not result in a ballooning home run rate. 55 years ago every single player in baseball wasn't trying to hit a home run every single time up. Tangential: A remarkable fact is that despite how strikeouts have skyrocketed in the 35 years since his retirement, Reggie Jackson still holds the career strikeout record. Only Jim Thome has even gotten close (he fell 49 short.) Giancarlo Stanton might finally overtake him, but he's got 800 to go and just got hurt again while you were reading this post. If he doesn't get there then Reggie will probably continue to hold that record for a long time. It's not so much that the league leading strikeout total has shot up. It was about 160-180 from Reggie's time through the 90s, jumped to around 200 in the early 2000s and is still around 200 today. The big change has been that everyone strikes out 100+ times a year now. In bawfuls' favorite reference season of 1969, Willie Stargell was 10th in MLB with 120 strikeouts. In 2022, 120 strikeouts landed Riley Greene, Marcus Semien, Taylor Walls, and Taylor Ward in a 4-way tie for 79th place. e: I'm probably being unclear on why I wrote that, bawfuls is probably writing right now "yes that's exactly my point, we need to shrink the strike zone!" Everyone striking out 100 times a year isn't because hitters totally suck now, it's because every hitter is trying to hit a home run every time up and not giving a poo poo that it means they'll strike out a lot. 55 years ago almost all hitters were ashamed to strike out. That has completely evaporated. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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seiferguy posted:Gwynn was obviously the best, but point was more there's no one really coming up that's got the same approach. Teams have accepted its fine to strike out a lot. From a strategic perspective I get it - make pitchers throw more pitches, and a strikeout is better than a GIDP on the first pitch. But from a watchable perspective it's probably worse. Now (nearly) every team as this system automated in the cloud and tagged so that any hitter can pull up any pitcher on an iPad instantly and watch perfect HD footage of their release etc, not to mention the army of analysts dissecting pitch sequences as well.
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Bobby Bonds held the season K record at 189 from 1970 to 2004. That 189 is now tied for 36th. Really is pretty nuts Reggie still holds the lifetime record.
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https://www.twitter.com/VinnieDuber/status/1697339945021485290 I hate this man, and the fact that he owns two teams I want to do well.
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Kirios posted:The New York Yankees lmao at a hail mary Utley rule challenge at the end by Boone, too.
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Dexo posted:https://www.twitter.com/VinnieDuber/status/1697339945021485290 Who have they developed? Feels like most of their young prospects came from other organizations.
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Intruder posted:strikeouts are cool imo Yeah but because watching a dude fire off a 95-mph two-seamer that breaks six inches and hits the corner is cool, not because Mike McChungus and his .247 BA is swinging like a Gashouse Gorilla
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Niwrad posted:Who have they developed? Feels like most of their young prospects came from other organizations. Andrew Vaughn is the only “decent” one I can think of. Everyone else came here in trades. Robert might count but he was already a stud international player
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Eric the Mauve posted:55 years ago every single player in baseball wasn't trying to hit a home run every single time up. I don’t know how you can look at the steady, fast rise in strikeout rates from 1950-1968 and think that all hitters in the late 60’s were ashamed to strike out in a way modern ones aren’t. League wide K rate went from 9.3% in 1949 to 15.9% in 1967. That’s a 70% increase in less than 18 years. 18 years ago the rate was 16.4% and today it’s 22.7%, an increase of only 38%. Strikeouts were absolutely exploding in frequency in the 50’s and 60’s, at a faster pace than they have this century. One could argue the changes to hitter and pitcher approaches in that earlier period were more dramatic than what we’re seeing today. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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zoux posted:Maddux, in his semi-famous "hitters can't tell the difference between pitch speeds" spiel he says "except for that motherfucker Tony Gwynn" It's funny how when he went into the Hall of Fame there was a lot of "Is Tony Gwynn overrated?" discourse and now there's at least one tweet a day about how he special he was.
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zoux posted:Maddux, in his semi-famous "hitters can't tell the difference between pitch speeds" spiel he says "except for that motherfucker Tony Gwynn" In his career Gwynn slashed .429/.485/.538 vs Maddux, 39-for-91 with 16 BB's, 0 K's. 
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Sydin posted:In his career Gwynn slashed .429/.485/.538 vs Maddux, 39-for-91 with 16 BB's, 0 K's.  that's incredible.
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Now, to be fair, Veeck was, in fact, mocking the game. Gaedel's signing was purely a stunt, and the argument after voiding the contract was Veeck's usual "Ain't no rule says a dog can't play basketball" approach to things, and I'm pretty sure he said as much in Veeck as in Wreck. It'd be like letting TC Bear or the Phanatic play in costume. I recognize the argument I'm using here makes a clumsy metaphor, but the point is not that Veeck actually wanted him to play as a strategic piece--that Eddie drew walks was incidental to his being in the game. I'd have been a lot more impressed if he'd actually fought to keep Gaedel on the team. Though he did hire him a couple more times for other stunts...
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Gwynn also slashed .462/.485/.738 against Smoltz and .312/.347/.419 against Glavine I guess he was just a Brave killer
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Sydin posted:In his career Gwynn slashed .429/.485/.538 vs Maddux, 39-for-91 with 16 BB's, 0 K's. My favorite hitter-vs.-pitcher stat line: Barry Bonds vs. Rick Ankiel: 0-3, 3 strikeouts Man Rick would've been good. The story his career gave us is maybe even better but I've still rarely seen a better curveball.
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Criminal Minded posted:Yeah but because watching a dude fire off a 95-mph two-seamer that breaks six inches and hits the corner is cool, not because Mike McChungus and his .247 BA is swinging like a Gashouse Gorilla It's spelled "Moustakas"
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Hahahaha what an rear end in a top hat https://twitter.com/670TheScore/status/1697348666980216906?s=20
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R.D. Mangles posted:Hahahaha what an rear end in a top hat I listened to that entire thing they just played it on the Score. Like it was a bad time for a joke, but like I think it's kinda obvious that the White Sox aren't going to pay for a player that per year is going to require like 2x their payroll. Also Ohtani is not going to go to the haus of talented injured prone players
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https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/status/1697281795639718106 I guess there's now a third accuser and a second formal complaint Looking like he's a real piece of poo poo tbh
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Intruder posted:Gwynn also slashed .462/.485/.738 against Smoltz and .312/.347/.419 against Glavine and the Braves were in the NL West through 1996 on an unbalanced schedule, he was a continual menace
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Criminal Minded posted:Yeah but because watching a dude fire off a 95-mph two-seamer that breaks six inches and hits the corner is cool, not because Mike McChungus and his .247 BA is swinging like a Gashouse Gorilla mdemone posted:It's spelled "Moustakas" It's actually spelled "Khris Davis"
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Intruder posted:Gwynn also slashed .462/.485/.738 against Smoltz and .312/.347/.419 against Glavine Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done
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maffew buildings posted:Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done holy poo poo
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maffew buildings posted:Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done sneaking one in just before the September deadline. Impressive.
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maffew buildings posted:Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done 
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maffew buildings posted:Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done 
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maffew buildings posted:Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done jesus. https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/1697369523450425590
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maffew buildings posted:Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done
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maffew buildings posted:Well yeah that's what Padres historically have done 
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