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bawfuls posted:well he's beaten the Cubs thrice in October so I guess we're already there Future HOF candidate and reborn spirit of Greg Maddux (even though he's not dead) KYLE HENDRICKS had a thing or two to say about that in G6, thank you very much. Non-meanspirited realtalk though: I think after expansion MLB should just totally blow away the concept of divisions and go to an NBA style strict NL/AL split with 16 teams in each league, top 6 records from each make the postseason and are seeded into a similar format they are now, maybe try to figure something out so that the higher seeded teams aren't iced for like a week while the lower seed WC's get to stay in a rhythm fighting it out.
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illcendiary posted:Most fans don't want a smaller postseason either they could still recognize regular season greatness in addition to tournaments the way EU soccer has forever (and as baseball did for 50 years)
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Sydin posted:Future HOF candidate and reborn spirit of Greg Maddux (even though he's not dead) KYLE HENDRICKS had a thing or two to say about that in G6, thank you very much. My proposal is the same as it's been for years: award a pennant to the best record in each league as was intended, give them a trophy for it, stop calling the LCS winners the "pennant winners"
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bawfuls posted:tournaments are fun but I'm on record that I'd like the sport to celebrate greatness over a 6 month season (a thing it did for 50 years)
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bawfuls posted:baseball will expand the postseason until there is a world series played between sub-.500 teams, complain that the ratings were low, then expand the postseason some more to get more tv money Only nineteen years until the London Kings play the World Series in front of 300 fans!
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CapnAndy posted:I already forgot where I heard this, but someone recently said that if the knockout round playoffs bother you that much, just think of the entire season as the tournament, with the regular season as a really long group stage.
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InsensitiveSeaBass posted:Only nineteen years until the London Kings play the World Series in front of 300 fans!
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bawfuls posted:all that does is underscore the meaninglessness of the regular season, which is the opposite of what I'm aiming for The regular season is a lot more fun than the playoffs though. It's not meaningless, it's where everything happens. Playoff baseball is extremely stressful and not as enjoyable as a Sunday day game in June with low stakes.
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bawfuls posted:this would be an improvement but all the math says that baseball is just way too random and chaotic for this to really matter in the long run As a Capitals fan I am very proud of all those President’s Trophies! (I am not proud of any of them)
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I like the existence of the AL central. It's my favourite division in baseball
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Alas, Philly was just a dirtbag fling and not a dirtbag boyfriendMiz Kriss posted:
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Sab0921 posted:The regular season is a lot more fun than the playoffs though. It's not meaningless, it's where everything happens. I genuinely think the European model is better, where there are multiple trophies that recognize different kinds of team achievements and there's not really a single "best team" crowned each year, except for the rare season where a team sweeps the major ones. It's a healthier approach to sports imo.
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maffew buildings posted:i thought that the expanded playoffs were bullshit when they were announced but now that the dbacks are going to the world series and kicked the poo poo out of the dodgers along the way i have realized it actually loving rules Are both teams the 6 seed?
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CapnAndy posted:I would counter-argue that any team who doesn't like it is free to bounce the 84 win negative run differential team right back out of the playoffs, and if they can't, then that says a lot more about your team than it does about them Agreed It's not like the Diamondbacks lucked into the WS by winning one game. They had to play full series against a 3 opponents, 2 of them they swept. Those teams had home field advantage and the Diamondbacks still won, good for them.
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Sab0921 posted:Are both teams the 6 seed? Rangers were the 5 seed.
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With how volatile baseball is where you can have the worst team in the league sweep the best over a 3 game series I can see how losing the importance of the marathon season and making it even more of a crapshoot could be an issue
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Sab0921 posted:Are both teams the 6 seed? one of them is the beat the poo poo out of your loser team in their park despite their bullpen being a constant 'can they not blow it challenge' seed. edit: for the record i think the astros, their fans and houston are losers regardless of if they're winning or not. gently caress houston, gently caress texas, go sneks
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maffew buildings posted:one of them is the beat the poo poo out of your loser team in their park despite their bullpen being a constant 'can they not blow it challenge' seed Ok
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Also part of building a team is one that can continue to be good over the long haul. Maybe your 100+ win team was really good over the regular season but didn't have the depth to make a strong push in the playoffs, that's a flaw that can be exposed.
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bawfuls posted:this would be an improvement but all the math says that baseball is just way too random and chaotic for this to really matter in the long run This kinda invalidates the postseason though? And it's not like having the best record in your league necessarily means you're actually the "true" best team, since schedules aren't 100% balanced and a good team playing in a softer division could eek out more wins than a great team in a stronger one. Obviously that's not the case when you're talking about something like the 2023 Dodgers vs the 2023 D-Backs, but it does matter for something like the 2023 Dodgers vs the 2023 Braves or Phillies. Unless you radically restructure how baseball seasons work, there's really no way to square the circle with baseball being a game that needs a shitload of games for an org's "true" ability to shake out but also that the postseason needs to wrap up in about a month and realistically you can't ask players health-wise to do much more than that before they need the offseason to start. Anyway not to quote one of your posting enemies in my argument but I kinda agree with this take tbh as well: Sab0921 posted:The regular season is a lot more fun than the playoffs though. It's not meaningless, it's where everything happens. Just because you didn't make or got bounced from the postseason doesn't mean what happened in the regular season had no purpose. You got to enjoy 100 Dodger regular season wins this year which kicks rear end. You're almost certainly going to get to enjoy another 100 next year and the year after that as well because your organization is loving stacked. If I could hit a button to make the Cubs just as sustainably successful in the regular season as the Dodgers BUT it comes with a significantly higher risk of bad luck/results in the postseason, I'd hit that button so goddamn fast and hard I'd have professional starcraft teams reaching out to recruit me over my apm.
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maffew buildings posted:one of them is the beat the poo poo out of your loser team in their park despite their bullpen being a constant 'can they not blow it challenge' seed. edit: for the record i think the astros, their fans and houston are losers regardless of if they're winning or not. gently caress houston, gently caress texas, go sneks Houston is a great city friend
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Popete posted:Also part of building a team is one that can continue to be good over the long haul. Maybe your 100+ win team was really good over the regular season but didn't have the depth to make a strong push in the playoffs, that's a flaw that can be exposed. I don't think there is such a thing as teams "built" for October vs "built" for the regular season. You build the best team you can and roll the dice. If anything the regular season rewards depth more than October does, since there are more off days and teams tend to push their best guys harder.
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Dodgers are an example where their pitching fell apart second half, sure that wasn't necessarily the fault of roster construction (you could argue they didn't replace depth after losing Bauer) but they were a really good team that until the end of the year when they just didn't have starting pitching. I mean Lance Lynn started their final game. The season is a grind and a lot of guys tend to slow down near the end, Diamondbacks are a young team and that might translate to being able to handle that grind and recuperate for the playoffs. I just don't think it's fair to say that because they weren't the best team during the regular season that invalidates that they played better than everyone else in the playoffs. Edit: I realized you weren't asking for a specific team it's just as you stated the obvious one. But you could build a team for depth with a strong bullpen and maybe not dominate ace starters but 5-6 guys who are solid thru the rotation. Picking utility and platoon guys who keep you competitive when inevitable injuries or off days come up. Popete fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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I think there are some examples of being built for the postseason versus being built for the regular season. Having two or three truly elite starters instead of five or six that are a step below. Having a complete shutdown setup man and closer instead of a deep bullpen. Having an extremely powerful lineup but only mediocre starting pitching
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Sydin posted:This kinda invalidates the postseason though? And it's not like having the best record in your league necessarily means you're actually the "true" best team, since schedules aren't 100% balanced and a good team playing in a softer division could eek out more wins than a great team in a stronger one. Obviously that's not the case when you're talking about something like the 2023 Dodgers vs the 2023 D-Backs, but it does matter for something like the 2023 Dodgers vs the 2023 Braves or Phillies. You had the best record in the regular season, you get a trophy. (EPL league champ) You win the tournament, you get a different trophy (Champions League champ) They even have multiple tournaments with additional trophies! (FA Cup) To really stand out, you win all three in a single year. But that's rare. Most years they get split, and that's ok. Because most years there isn't a single team that's just The Best Period. I realize this is anathema to American culture, but once I came to understand it, I couldn't help but believe it is a better, more textured way to enjoy and think of sports. Pennant Winner - noteworthy achiement, banner worthy World Series Winner - noteworthy achievement, banner worthy win both in the same year - historically great season, crow about it for years
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Popete posted:Dodgers are an example where their pitching fell apart second half, sure that wasn't necessarily the fault of roster construction (you could argue they didn't replace depth after losing Bauer) but they were a really good team that until the end of the year when they just didn't have starting pitching. I mean Lance Lynn started their final game. I don't think something about their roster construction made them better in the regular season than in October. I don't think their regular season record "invalidates" their play this month. They won the games, they deserve to be where they are. But I also don't think they're special. I don't think there's some secret sauce they turned on when the calendar flipped. I think any of the 12 teams in the tournament were capable of doing what they did. Because that is how baseball works, over any small handful of games anything can happen. We know this from well over a century of baseball. It's still exciting when upsets happen, it makes for great narratives. I just don't like that we all simultaneously know October is barely more than a series of chaotic coin flips, and still all pretend like surviving that sequence is some proof of Greatness or the only thing worth celebrating. It should be celebrated. But we should also celebrate some other truly remarkable and difficult accomplishments. Like the 2001 Mariners season should be a much bigger deal in the historical consciousness of Baseball than it is. What they did is so much harder than what most World Series champions have done, but it's little more than a trivia question or a sick joke because all anyon remembers is they got bounced by the Yankees. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Oct 25, 2023 |
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bawfuls posted:I'd argue the Dodgers were a flawed team from the get-go and were very lucky to win 100 games this year. That's what I mean though, they feel like a team that played above what you would have expected in the regular season and that lack of depth really bit them in the play offs. But why is that more valid than the Diamondbacks being a mediocre team in the regular season but had the depth to outplay their opponents in the playoffs?
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illcendiary posted:Houston is a great city friend Agreed. Houston, Atlanta, Philly. That's it for this country.
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my formula for winning october baseball is having two legit aces neither of whom are clayton kershaw a very good third starter an absolute holy poo poo you don't want to face this guy MVP caliber hitter three other really good hitters at least two mediocre hitters who are absolute loving dirtbags and make you throw a million pitches only one guy who absolutely loving sucks a guy who usually sucks but for some reason is on fire in the playoffs three bullpen guys who don't make fans nervous as hell
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R.D. Mangles posted:my formula for winning october baseball is having The Nats won a world series with two aces and two bullpen guys and that's it. Their line up was Soto, Rendon and some guys. Tbh - it was insane.
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they also had trea turner and eaton filledt he dirtbag fouling off role perfectly gomes and kendrick filled the other good hitters roles sounds pretty much like the blueprint tbh
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Popete posted:That's what I mean though, they feel like a team that played above what you would have expected in the regular season and that lack of depth really bit them in the play offs. But why is that more valid than the Diamondbacks being a mediocre team in the regular season but had the depth to outplay their opponents in the playoffs? It is harder to win 100 games over 6 months than it is to win 13 in October. That's just baseball. In a sense, the Dodgers got luckier to win 100 games this season with a 90-win true talent roster than the Dbacks did to win 3 rounds with an 84-win team.
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R.D. Mangles posted:my formula for winning october baseball is having
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bawfuls posted:The Dbacks have like 3 of these maybe that is true, they're a team made up entirely of annoying little dirtbag guys
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bawfuls posted:I don't think the Dbacks are notably deep, they're a pretty good team the way basically all postseason teams are pretty good. They've played well this month and that counts for a lot with the way we treat these things. Diamondbacks are 10-3 in the playoffs so really think of them as a 94-81 team 
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