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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I think Saleh is pretty safe unless Rodgers just SUCKS, like final year Peyton level cooked. The Jets have some great young players but they aren’t as insanely stacked as that Broncos team that dragged Peyton’s corpse to a Lombardi. Then Woody gets mad enough to fire Joe Douglas and Saleh gets swept out by a new GM. None of that strikes me as particularly likely, though it would bring great mirth to TFF.

Other comedy option, Rodgers stages a coup and gets Hackett or some other old buddy installed as HC. Team immediately gets worse.

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Gannon might be one and done, but the Cards immediately firing a guy that ate a tampering charge for is a bad look

I hear you but bad looks are the Cards’ thing. Like if someone says “wow that’s a bad look” there’s a 50% chance they’re talking about Arizona. With another 49% it’s the Browns now that Snyder isn’t around to dominate the contest.

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

The most persistent rumor I’ve heard is Jerod Mayo which seems like a hell of a career leap for him but it was a talking point over the offseason. It’s mostly dot connecting since it’s not like any info ever comes out of Foxboro

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

SKULL.GIF posted:

Wouldn't that be a point in favor of keeping Saleh? You can't really blame him for a QB being taken out behind the shed by Father Time.

That’s why I said it would come via firing Douglas for trading a shitload of resources for a dead QB. A new GM is going to want His Guy coaching. Also if the Rodgers trade ends up being a Russ level debacle Jets fans are going to want to see heads roll I imagine. Everyone in the building will have the stink on them (although somehow Denver’s GM has survived this :iiam: It seems very hard to lose your GM job unless you manage to do something as dumb as trade away AJ Brown)

Again I don’t think this is super likely, they will probably be good

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Sep 5, 2023

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Nosre posted:

Is there a middle path where Kraft yanks his GM control, and does Bill allow that for his last few years? Because I don't see his coaching having fallen off at all still. They got 7 wins with a dead Cam and this being his receivers:

WRs
10 Damiere Byrd
15 N'Keal Harry
16 Jakobi Meyers
14 Donte Moncrief KR
80 Gunner Olszewski PR

Tight ends
86 Devin Asiasi
44 Dalton Keene

And then 8 wins last year with the Patricia disaster and again one of the worst offenses in the league. Yes obviously Bill's GMing and drafting is what got the roster to that state, but he's still been too good to have the bottom fall out.

I think this would be ideal but Bill is way too much of a proud, stubborn rear end in a top hat to allow it. Like if a GM is forced on him he would bench players acquired by the new guy out of spite even though it sabotages his chance at Shula’s record.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Saleh gets fired, joins Derek Carr in New Orleans, Saints are immediately good.

Alternatively, Bill has to retire for health reasons, Saleh resigns as HC of NYJ and heads north

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Bismack Billabongo posted:

Think back to Urbz and have a solid LOL

Thinking bout that time he got caught groping someone like 1/3 his age in his own restaurant where there’s a giant photo of him and his wife on the wall and was so owned he didn’t even travel back to Florida with the team :lol:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Nervous posted:

Every time I'm feeling down I think about the Urbz NFL saga and I feel a little better. Remember when he didn't know who Aaron Donald was?

Or when he wanted to draft two top 5 picks in Lawrence and Kyle Pitts (which looking at what Houston did this year I guess maybe they could have? and it would have both saved them from taking Travon Walker first overall and Pitts from going to a team that gives him 2 uncatchable targets a game :thunk:)

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Will the Broncos fire coaches mid season back to back :laffo:

(no, but man they really don’t look any better than they did under Hackett so far)

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009


In a Madden video game world sure. But as hilarious as Payton getting Revenge of the Nerds’d by McDaniel was (and it was real loving funny). You cannot hand pick your guy, make a huge rear end deal about it, pay him gently caress You money plus picks to come out of cushy retirement, let him beat his chest all offseason about how much better he is than the last guy, then fire him mid season. Coach salaries aren’t public which is weird, but Payton is rumored to be one of the highest paid coaches in all of pro sports. There will be fall guys upon fall guys, including Russ

The Walmart failsons could afford to ditch him. And hell, I would respect it. But they won’t. Check back here in the 2025 thread

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

really queer Christmas posted:

I have to believe Denver is just completely bereft of talent and defensive coaching to drop this game with payton at the helm.

I mean other than trading Chubb (to the Dolphins!) I don't think they had a major exodus of talent on the defensive side of the ball. The defense went from one of the best in the league to atrocious, and the most significant changes were coaching

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

YOLOsubmarine posted:

The defense started falling apart at the end of last season. They gave up 51 to the Baker lead, Cooper Kupp-less Rams. 24 points to the Trace McSorely Cardinals. They went from giving up like 17 points a game to about 30 over the last 5 games.

I attributed this to the team completely quitting on Hackett but who knows. Immediately after he was fired they played the Chiefs close and beat the Chargers, forcing multiple turnovers in each

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

^ lol

Codependent Poster posted:

Do the Bears have any retired player that's working in broadcasting they can hire to be the Tank Commander in the glorious tradition of Jeff Saturday?

Jay Cutler’s gotta be free. Pass the ball, or don’t, I don’t fucken care. Anyone got a smoke?

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

a neat cape posted:

I hate this mf staley

All my homies hate Staley

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

D-LINK posted:

I hate the Steelers offensive coordinator more than I hated Todd Haley. This mfer called another 4th and 1 pass, but this time his QB got hurt

Would be really hosed up if he got promoted and assigned to work even more closely on special projects with the QB

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

D-LINK posted:

That was fake news, as it turns out. He still should be fired

I’m legit glad to hear that because it had me questioning everything I thought I knew about the nfl

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Yeah I had the same reaction. I love listening to that man speak. “He interviews poorly” seems like it’s out the window for excuses.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Ornery and Hornery posted:

Wasn’t there a mini media controversy about Bienemy being a hard-rear end earlier this year? I like the HC said Bienemy was a hardass and the media ran with it. And basically the players came out and said “yeah he’s tough but he gets the best out of us and wants the best for us”

There was definitely a piece about Andy Reid running the hardest training camp in the NFL. I don’t recall anything about Bienemy but could have just missed it

https://theathletic.com/4769737/2023/08/18/andy-reid-chiefs-training-camp/?amp=1

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Matt Zerella posted:

Everyone was pissed about the Golliday contract and Schoen signed Danny Dimes to an even worse one.

Meanwhile the NY Media: HES DOING THE BEST HE CANNNNN

Is it really a media talking point that Schoen has done a good job? Cause lol, lmao

He signed like 8 slot receivers this year and called it a day

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Apparently Fisher was going to coach in the USFL but opted to resign. Some team has to capitalize on this opportunity

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Nervous posted:

This is poorly worded/constructed. Josh McDaniels only got the one chance to lose to Jeff Saturday but he absolutely made the most of it. I get what you're trying to say about McDaniels dipping out on the Colts before though

It's always a good time to remember that McDaniels lost to Jeff Saturday in his first ever game coaching, and also lost to the Rams led by Baker Mayfield who had been on the team for like 3 days, and also gave Arizona one of their 4 wins. In the same season. lol.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

fartknocker posted:

Other highlights of the 2020 draft included a very drunk Roger Goodell from his basement, Kliff Kingsbury from his house/porn set, Dave Gettleman just being Dave Gettleman, and an assortment of other pets popping up.

Also besides the guy in the weird Titans body suit, the internet was convinced the dude in the background was taking a dump. Although Vrabel insists it's just a stool and not a bathroom at all :tinfoil:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

I just said in the Aftermath thread that JDR is clearly the problem (putting a rookie CB on an island vs great WRs two weeks in a row) but he is also a grumpy old white dude who has been in the league for a million years so I imagine he will get promoted

Fixed for how NFL teams actually work

But yeah agree Bieniemy should turn that poo poo down even if it's offered to him. Just like Evero did in Denver. Keep the stink of being the captain of a sinking ship off you as much as possible

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

You also surely have to have incredible self confidence and ego to reach the point of being a head coach. They don’t strike me as a super introspective breed. Mike McDaniel might be an exception, I have a lot of respect for his story of overcoming alcoholism and basically restarting his career after washing out.

Also weirdly, Dan Campbell? Despite the off the charts high T meathead persona

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

C-Euro posted:

Dan Campbell is a meathead, but some local reporting suggests that he exaggerates it for effect.

Yeah I remember a press conference last year where he was pretending he didn’t know they even had a trick play in their arsenal (a pass to Sewell maybe). It was obviously a joke but the internet blew up with hot takes about what a doofus he was lol

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

I dunno but he is in trouble. I dont think Kraft fires him mid-season but if this keeps up they may "mutually agree to part ways" at the end of the year

I have a hard time seeing Bill being capable of this even if it’s pretty clearly time. He’s gonna need to be physically removed from the building

lol us Pats fans thought this year was going to be better

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Chris James 2 posted:

They have a top 3 pick in the draft as of this moment, and they know this QB and this GM aren't the answers going forward instead of needing another year or two to figure that out. In a way, that is better

This is fair. I had mentally written off the next few years as farting around with 7ish wins until Bill finally retires. If Kraft has the balls and lucidity to rip off the bandaid… well, it will be interesting at least. And my god the current pats are the furthest thing from interesting football

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

mcmagic posted:

What are the chances that the Pats fire Belichick and end up in the better situation coaching wise? 0.00000001%?

Most coaches are bad but they’ve been on a downward trajectory since the Cam year. They’ve gotta try something. The Cards were supposed to be 0-17 and they have the same record as New England and look way more competitive in their games.

That dumb Mac Jones quote applies to Bill too. When he builds a roster with like 5 above average players (and most of them are on special teams) it doesn’t matter how good his scheme is.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

If he’s too proud to accept a GM here I dunno how excited he’s going to be to go work for Tom Telesco or whatever.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Man I had forgotten the Broncos had to give up a 1st and a 2nd to land Payton. Jesus. That makes any talk of firing him this year or even over the next few years even more improbable.

Geroge Paton is really putting together a hell of a resume. His hits are like, uh... Patrick Surtain?

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Play posted:

this picture is the living embodiment of 'large adult son(s)'

this has almost nothing to do with that but i screengrabbed this because arthur smith is a weird lookin dude

if you squint hes kinda like a bizarro world a-a-ron



This man is the son of the billionaire founder of FedEx :lol:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

YOLOsubmarine posted:

80% of that was basically just signing a tackle, guard and DL to replace the tackle, guard and DL they lost in FA.

I think Payton taking that job was idiotic and arrogant but the roster is objectively bad and it’s bad in a way that a single offseason of spending couldn’t possible fix.

I think it’s funny he has brought in like 10 of his old Saints buddies to play. And also the guys he actively sought out like Perine and Mims are being pushed to the back burner

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Mega64 posted:

The funny thing is, Payton was not wrong, Hackett was loving rear end and a garbage HC. But Nathaniel loving Hackett has garnered more respect from the Jets players than Payton has from the Broncos players. The Jets were all "Let's win this for Hackett" while nobody gives a gently caress on the Broncos. It's loving amazing to experience.

Yeah for sure "Hackett was an all time bad head coach" is a correct and inarguable take. But you absolutely CANNOT say that and then lose to him and his notoriously awful backup QB without looking like a complete clown

It's like top college programs losing their entire season to a tuneup game vs an FCS cupcake, peak football comedy

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Oct 13, 2023

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Yeah I have had it with Bill the god-king of Foxboro but I don’t think he has lost his cleverness as you said on the defensive side. A couple weeks ago I distinctly remember Romo covering the Pats saying “I have done nothing but play and watch football for 40 years and I have never seen that coverage scheme, that was insanely good”. If you were playing a video game without feelings and ego and prestige you would make him defensive coordinator of a contender and I have no doubt they’d have an elite D. Basically the Vic Fangio move. But I can’t see that happening in real life.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Ches Neckbeard posted:

jfc they're paying him 20apy. Launch Patton into the sun with Russ

Yeah if Paton is there next year he must have photos of Elway and the Walmart boys on Epstein Island or something. Dude got multiple cracks at potential hall of fame QBs and a potential HoF coach. And the outcome was… this

Also just for maximum chaos his name is pronounced the same as Payton and Peyton. Not the WW2 general.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Oct 14, 2023

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009


Please spoiler future season content

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean they are gonna play Rodgers when he comes back so at that point Wilson will be so off and on I can’t see him being a long term anything

I think the concern is not him taking over for Rodgers but that they'd decide Wilson is fine as the backup going forward. Doing nothing to upgrade your backup situation after trading for a rickety-rear end old QB in his twilight years was what Jets posters were worked up about

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

wandler20 posted:

I don't even get how this is still a discussion. If you lose your starting QB, you're hosed, end of story.

The Jets have 3 wins WITH Wilson, and were within a score of beating both the Pats and Chiefs. The roster is pretty loaded outside of Wilson.

If you're defining hosed as "not winning the super bowl" then agreed I guess. But an Andy Dalton level backup could still probably deliver one of the best Jets seasons in decades leading this group. They haven't even appeared in a playoff game in 13 years, the bar is not set at super bowl or bust

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Relentlessboredomm posted:

He’s a white dude with HC experience coaching the best defense in the league, just like Dan Quinn he’s gonna get some interest from conservative teams.

But Ben Johnson and Bienemy are the two I’d want if the Bucs were looking for a new coach. Sadly Canales has been so good that we’re probably stuck with Bowles for another season. (Please just give Canales the HC job)

Ben Johnson to New England, with some GM who has never even heard of the Patriot Way. I am ready to stop drafting receivers who run routes like a run stuffing linebacker from 2004

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Shinji2015 posted:

How much of that was having a vet as starter in Mariotta? I feel things dropped off once he was gone, but '22 might as well be a decade away to me rn and I'm misremembering

Mariota sucked rear end too. If you look at his 2022 stats most of them are in the same neighborhood as like Davis Mills and Russ. And it was even more egregious on deep balls where he was literally below 32nd. Which means his already bad overall stats were being juiced by a ton of meaningless short stuff

I’m sure his veteran presence had some benefits but “completing passes” wasn’t among them

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

mcmagic posted:

I don't agree with those rankings at all. Staley, Eberflus and Rivera are all one million precent gone at the end of the year if not before.

Yeah I think I agree with all of these. Especially Rivera. Maybe in an on the field sense he’s not OH MY GOD bad but it would be absolutely shocking if he is there next year. New owners can’t have the most boring coach in the league

When is Staley’s contract up? I do put stock in Ross’ assessment that Spanos won’t buy out a fired coach cause he is a cheap gently caress

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