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mystes
May 31, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

naming the drives a and c and wondering where b went
b is the second floppy drive?

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Internet Old One posted:

How could you think this? I know system administration is a dying thing these days but imagine it’s 1980, buying a unix system for a university with one years budget and then a few years later buying a drive just for /home because your students love to dump warez and b&w porn TIFFs.

You ever try to move C:\users\ or c:\program files\ to another drive? How about moving just your browser cache to an xpoint drive?

If you know a nice way to do it on a running system with zero broken poo poo I’d actually really really like you to share.


It’s a great way to grow without busting your budget and it comes with performance benefits as your users trash the home directory drive downloading entire newsgroups worth of prons and the rest of the system chugs along just fine.

so where it the part where you are mounting multiple local disks randomly in the directory tree? because i assume this is some networked setup (which, as a daily user of nfs-mounted home directories in 2023, is pretty drat dead too).

the transparency to users in the context of them having a machine of their own with multiple bits of storage they already have to be aware of is a detriment.

e: actually, is the point then that drive letters are bad because they make things harder in the 1% of cases where there is a full-time professional administrating the thing?

Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Sep 11, 2023

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

AnimeIsTrash posted:

naming the drives a and c and wondering where b went

b was the 5 1/4" drive

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

so where it the part where you are mounting multiple local disks randomly in the directory tree? because i assume this is some networked setup (which, as a daily user of nfs-mounted home directories in 2023, is pretty drat dead too).

the transparency to users in the context of them having a machine of their own with multiple bits of storage they already have to be aware of is a detriment.

e: actually, is the point then that drive letters are bad because they make things harder in the 1% of cases where there is a full-time professional administrating the thing?

does steam like it if you move the install folder from one disk to another in windows?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Progressive JPEG posted:

does steam like it if you move the install folder from one disk to another in windows?

yes, though it is sort of crude as you just dump it in and revalidate files. is it possible yet to install steam anywhere but in the home dir on linux? because that was a loving thing for a decade+

Zlodo
Nov 25, 2006

rotor posted:

if they could make the little clunk-clunk buzz buzz noise that would be super

winuae have an emulation of floppy drive noises and its so realistic that I immediately recognized the characteristic floppy drive loading noises of various games I tried

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

AnimeIsTrash posted:

naming the drives a and c and wondering where b went

you just doxxed yourself

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...

Progressive JPEG posted:

does steam like it if you move the install folder from one disk to another in windows?

somewhat related, i have my steam folder on a smb share and it seems to work fine

i haven't tried multiple machines accessing it with either the same or different steam accounts though

well-read undead
Dec 13, 2022

rotor posted:

b was the 5 1/4" drive

a was the 5 1/4" drive for your boot disk, b was the 5 1/4" drive for your program disk, c did not exist

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

so where it the part where you are mounting multiple local disks randomly in the directory tree? because i assume this is some networked setup (which, as a daily user of nfs-mounted home directories in 2023, is pretty drat dead too).

the transparency to users in the context of them having a machine of their own with multiple bits of storage they already have to be aware of is a detriment.

e: actually, is the point then that drive letters are bad because they make things harder in the 1% of cases where there is a full-time professional administrating the thing?

What? This is just some hypothetical setup demonstrating how arbitrary mount points through the filesystem are way useful. If it matters I was imagining some expensive unix system with scsi disks where students got a shell in like 1988.

No drive letters are fine for home PCs running DOS and like 40,000 files tops and very few expectations about how things are laid out. Arbitrary mount points are great once you get into highly structured filesystems that expect things to be in certain places. Doesn't matter if they're at work or at home it's real useful when you've discovered you're running out of space. Instead of going through a complicated process of moving everything over to a new bigger drive and then using your old drive as some sort of E: drive where you dump random crap you can just boot up in single user mode or something, move everything over, edit fstab, and then reboot like normal.

Granted that takes some level of skill usually only a system administrator would have but if we lived in the good universe where everyone ran unix and computer repair shops were still a thing it would just be part of buying a new disk when you were running out of space.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Internet Old One posted:

the good universe where everyone ran unix

lmao

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...
i'm sure the world has been waiting for full piping and greppin'

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
ioo you seem to have ideas about how people use multiple drives that aren't actually true in practice

why would anyone janitor their drives beyond picking the new one as the new location for steam to install stuff to?

mystes
May 31, 2006

Jabor posted:

ioo you seem to have ideas about how people use multiple drives that aren't actually true in practice

why would anyone janitor their drives beyond picking the new one as the new location for steam to install stuff to?
yeah considering how big drives are and the size of different stuff, it's not like there's a need to carefully select what goes where. As long as you ensure steam games and movies go somewhere you have plenty of space, pretty much everything else is completely negligible

I can't imagine that people are going to bother trying to install other individual programs to specific drives or change the location of my documents or something in 2023

Zlodo
Nov 25, 2006

well-read undead posted:

a was the 5 1/4" drive for your boot disk, b was the 5 1/4" drive for your program disk, c did not exist

a was the good drive, b was the kinda meh drive

mystes
May 31, 2006

the good drive was whatever guest.exe mapped your parallel port zip drive to

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

yes, though it is sort of crude as you just dump it in and revalidate files. is it possible yet to install steam anywhere but in the home dir on linux? because that was a loving thing for a decade+

paths don't matter

code:
/dev/sda1 on /home/pjpeg/.local/share/Steam type xfs (rw,noatime,attr2,inode64,logbufs=8,logbsize=32k,noquota)

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Internet Old One posted:

What? This is just some hypothetical setup demonstrating how arbitrary mount points through the filesystem are way useful. If it matters I was imagining some expensive unix system with scsi disks where students got a shell in like 1988.

No drive letters are fine for home PCs running DOS and like 40,000 files tops and very few expectations about how things are laid out. Arbitrary mount points are great once you get into highly structured filesystems that expect things to be in certain places. Doesn't matter if they're at work or at home it's real useful when you've discovered you're running out of space. Instead of going through a complicated process of moving everything over to a new bigger drive and then using your old drive as some sort of E: drive where you dump random crap you can just boot up in single user mode or something, move everything over, edit fstab, and then reboot like normal.

Granted that takes some level of skill usually only a system administrator would have but if we lived in the good universe where everyone ran unix and computer repair shops were still a thing it would just be part of buying a new disk when you were running out of space.

this is deranged. abstracting away what storage exists in a way where it becomes incomprehensible to a normal user, then glorify the idea of taking your computer to a repair shop to get fstab edited for you.

and that is beside the original point where *obviously* removable storage being a clearly marked separate top-level thing was *correct* as you can't take your loving computer to the repair shop every time you want to remove a diskette

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts
look it's simple. device number 1 is for the datasette, device number 8 and upwards is for disk drives. don't ask about devices two through seven.

git apologist
Jun 4, 2003

being aware that your computer has drives at all is for suckers

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
being aware at all is for suckers

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I am trapped in this wack rear end suck prison

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

do whatever you want just be sure to clunk your fids

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
the c drive is the computers cock

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

Jabor posted:

ioo you seem to have ideas about how people use multiple drives that aren't actually true in practice

why would anyone janitor their drives beyond picking the new one as the new location for steam to install stuff to?

I know this is a super dork case but one thing that frustrates me is my inability to easily put my major caches and temp folder on an optane drive.


Also keeping the whole user folder stored somewhere other than where your programs are and where your movies and steam library are means that you can have a lot going on without getting blocked on disk performance.

But yeah using a big slow drive for torrents and steam games is pretty good file management for windows. It could be a whole lot better though.

E: also yeah I’ll agree mounting usb drives is lame in Linux. I don’t even know what it does anymore maybe mount to something in /mount? I usually end up turning that crap off and just mounting temporary storage manually.

Internet Old One fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Sep 13, 2023

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe
do they still sell optane drives?

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

all the abstraction garbage in unix is so that 500 people can all pretend they are the only one using the computer

it's 2023, you have your own computer on the desk, stop managing it like you have to share it with 500 people

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Captain Foo posted:

do whatever you want just be sure to clunk your fids

fid clunkin crew soundin off

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Hed posted:

do they still sell optane drives?

I think they don't make new ones

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akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

optayne is still funny tho

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