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Oct 1, 2023 09:10
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they all dress like clowns
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Oct 1, 2023 09:14
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Oct 1, 2023 09:34
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every picture is a clown
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Oct 1, 2023 09:36
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this should be an america free posting zone
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Oct 1, 2023 09:42
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also we should leave every american alliance we are part of
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Oct 1, 2023 09:44
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I'm quite distressed at the thought of a more right wing govt, especially one that will include cookers who think covid vaccines are a Nurembergable offence, et al. We'd be a loving laughing stock if it wasn't for the rest of the English speaking worlds govts also being full of cooked cunts.
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Oct 1, 2023 10:02
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/499176/property-industry-tops-political-donationsquote:Since 2021, people aligned with the property industry have donated more than $2.5 million to political parties. we have such great campaign finance laws 
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Oct 1, 2023 19:43
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that's monopoly (clown) money
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Oct 1, 2023 19:48
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Yeah situation's dire, looking forward to everything getting worse at a slightly faster rate.
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Oct 2, 2023 09:12
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/poli...ew-zealand.html What even is the loving point of voting if I don't get a pen and/or a sticker??
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Oct 2, 2023 22:34
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This is unacceptable and I shan't be participating this year
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Oct 2, 2023 22:53
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what a farce
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Oct 3, 2023 01:21
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499329/general-election-2023-nanaia-mahuta-facing-serious-challenge-in-hauraki-waikato-poll-shows Polling for electorates is pseudoscience, but I'd love to see TPM pick up even more seats. Nanaia Mahuta would be a big loss for Labour though.
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Oct 3, 2023 08:54
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Oct 3, 2023 10:46
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Polls still on track for a Nat/ACT/NZF government.quote:National: 36 percent, steady (46 seats) 17 seats for the greens means Francisco Hernandez gets in, but only if Tamatha Paul doesn't. That's a fuckin Sophie's choice if ever there was one.
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sorry team, i forgot about this but should've posted it earlier in the election https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0o4Og8zE2c
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exmarx please add this important bit of information to the OP:
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Oct 6, 2023 05:47
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 i don't think ayesha verrall got into politics for this
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Oct 6, 2023 06:29
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Sorry exmarx the greens are neoliberal Hitler impersonators like the rest of those knobs. Afaict they all are fine with the NZDF leading the blockade of northern Yemen. They probably think it's good and at best are too stupid to recognize NZ's role in starving hundreds of thousands of cunts to death.
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Oct 6, 2023 06:58
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Weka posted:Sorry exmarx the greens are neoliberal Hitler impersonators like the rest of those knobs. Afaict they all are fine with the NZDF leading the blockade of northern Yemen. They probably think it's good and at best are too stupid to recognize NZ's role in starving hundreds of thousands of cunts to death. The Greens have called this out a bunch of times actually. Look for Golriz Ghahraman's statements on it, she's the current spokesperson on defence and foreign affairs poo poo.
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bike tory posted:The Greens have called this out a bunch of times actually. Look for Golriz Ghahraman's statements on it, she's the current spokesperson on defence and foreign affairs poo poo. I don't think Ghahraman has ever done this. I have looked. She has condemned private companies for supporting the Saudis but that is very different to condemning the government her party is in a cooperation agreement with sending it's military to blockade Ansurallah. If you could provide a link to her doing so I would appreciate it. The best I can find is a condemnation of MFAT for allowing some exports. In case you are unaware of what I am talking about, in 2021 NZDF troops led CTF150, part of the Combined Maritime Forces under the yanks, which was responsible for maintaining the blockade of the Houthis, including of exports, because they could be used to finance "terrorism". No exports, no money, no food.
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sure doesn't seem consistent with their defence policy, so i'm assuming they don't support it. i'm not sure what you want them to do, it's not like they have any say in deployments. this is pretty funny though... golriz's geurillas 
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Weka posted:I don't think Ghahraman has ever done this. I have looked. She has condemned private companies for supporting the Saudis but that is very different to condemning the government her party is in a cooperation agreement with sending it's military to blockade Ansurallah. Oh yeah as far as I know you're right and she hasn't called out that specifically, she's just been vocally against the blockade in Yemen and the hosed up way NZ designated terrorist organisations and poo poo.
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Weka posted:Sorry exmarx the greens are neoliberal Hitler impersonators like the rest of those knobs. Afaict they all are fine with the NZDF leading the blockade of northern Yemen. They probably think it's good and at best are too stupid to recognize NZ's role in starving hundreds of thousands of cunts to death. the greens are our bernie
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winston is bernie (old as hell, wants to return to the 70s, anti immigration, nationalist, beloved by maladjusted freaks on line)
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exmarx posted:sure doesn't seem consistent with their defence policy, so i'm assuming they don't support it. i'm not sure what you want them to do, it's not like they have any say in deployments. I would like them to say publicly that it's bad. The green party had a confidence and supply agreement with the Arden government for it's first term, so they had a say then. Let's look at a couple of quotes from their defence policy. quote:We will oppose the NZDF assisting ‘coalitions of the willing’ convened outside of legitimate international legal structures as a subordinate force. A google search for nz "green party" "combined maritime forces" yields no relevant results. Aside from the deployment to the CMF (part of the USA's central command) during the time they were propping up the government there was the deployment to Afghanistan as part of the NATO occupation. quote:Opposing the purchase and the installation of specialist anti-submarine detection and fighting capability on our maritime surveillance aeroplanes; In 2018 the government signed a contract for the purchase of P-8A Poseidon aircraft with submarine detection capabilities. Again while the greens were neccessary to pass budgets. My conclusion is the Greens don't really care about the NZDF starving kids to death and only seek to improve living standards within NZ. bike tory posted:Oh yeah as far as I know you're right and she hasn't called out that specifically, she's just been vocally against the blockade in Yemen and the hosed up way NZ designated terrorist organisations and poo poo. She has opposed the Saudi blockade but I don't think she has opposed the American led blockade. Seems to me her position on this is about the same as Biden's.
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Why don't you write to her and ask? It's entirely likely she doesn't even know this happened. Our defence force participates in joint military poo poo all the time
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Oct 7, 2023 01:52
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Your right I'm now voting for Act because one green member didn't specifically condemn this one thing
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bike tory posted:Why don't you write to her and ask? It's entirely likely she doesn't even know this happened. Our defence force participates in joint military poo poo all the time It's her job to know this. If the Green's defense spokesperson doesn't even know where our troops are deployed they are worse than useless and not likely to get better. Do you think she also didn't know about NZDF deployments to Afghanistan when she voted for the budget to support them? Firstscion posted:Your right I'm now voting for Act because one green member didn't specifically condemn this one thing None of them have and "this one thing" as you call it is significantly contributing to hundreds of thousands of people starving to death. I have been clear that every party in the NZ parliament is awful in this specific way, supporting of mass murder by America's coalition of Hitlerites. Doing this means the greens are not left wing by any metric. Vote for whichever neoliberal you like, but you should know that's what they are.
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exmarx posted:winston is bernie (old as hell, wants to return to the 70s, anti immigration, nationalist, beloved by maladjusted freaks on line) 
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i don't think we should have a military but i still vote for a party with a defense minister
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Weka posted:It's her job to know this. If the Green's defense spokesperson doesn't even know where our troops are deployed they are worse than useless and not likely to get better. Do you think she also didn't know about NZDF deployments to Afghanistan when she voted for the budget to support them? these are golriz's portfolios, do you really think she could be across everything happening in all of them  the budget is an all-or-nothing deal. do you think voting against it because it included budget for nzdf (which could also be appropriated by cabinet outside the budget process) would have been worth (a) not having any effect on the result, and (b) losing all the influence they have within government
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Weka posted:It's her job to know this. If the Green's defense spokesperson doesn't even know where our troops are deployed they are worse than useless and not likely to get better. Do you think she also didn't know about NZDF deployments to Afghanistan when she voted for the budget to support them? Of course, it's a parliamentary democracy in a neoliberal country with military ties to America. A pretty major tension within the Greens is over the extent to which they should prioritise consensus based progress vs the kind of activism you're maybe advocating, like refusing to vote for a budget that includes defense force spending. It's also really unfortunate that almost all of NZ political action is subsumed by party politics, because it is so limited in this kind of way. You're not really making any kind of intelligent argument though. A left wing party is oxymoronic under the definition of left and right that you're using. But within the scope of the NZ party political system, they're a left wing social democratic party.
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pretty sure that's tim murphy (newsroom editor) awkwardly holding the phone
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bike tory posted:You're not really making any kind of intelligent argument though. A left wing party is oxymoronic under the definition of left and right that you're using. But within the scope of the NZ party political system, they're a left wing social democratic party. By this metric Ernst Rohm was left wing. However I think it's possible to have a party in this country that is opposed to America's wars. exmarx posted:these are golriz's portfolios, do you really think she could be across everything happening in all of them Oh dang that is a ridiculous amount of portfolios. Like I said I would be happy if it was mentioned rather than say attacking strangely only Iran and Afghanistan under the Taliban's womens rights. There's like 50 countries with worse gender equality than Iran! It's pretty obviously just reheated American propaganda. Firstscion posted:Okay what should we do? Tell the greens you won't vote for them until they change.
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exmarx posted:pretty sure that's tim murphy (newsroom editor) awkwardly holding the phone A journalist, trailing the prime minister on the campaign trail, a week out from an election? Huge if true. Weka posted:Tell the greens you won't vote for them until they change. What if I just don't care?
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