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Which ghost of MMA still haunts you?
This poll is closed.
Nick Diaz 1 3.57%
Chuck Liddell 5 17.86%
Matt Serra 0 0%
Matt Serra 2 7.14%
Matt Serra 0 0%
Oh no you said his name three times 8 28.57%
Run 1 3.57%
RUN 11 39.29%
Total: 28 votes
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Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsPDejp7rdw

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Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
Long time ago, there was some game we played as a forum/thread. You had stats to make a fighter, Muay Thai expert, BJJ expert, boxing, etc. Then we all competed against each other, one person ran the fights and posted the outcome text here.

What was the name of that game? I think it was free.

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Oct 12, 2023

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

CarlCX posted:

But let's not post about posters/ex-posters

Posting about posters is half of what we do these past 5-10 years.

Goon to a Goblin take down defense
Oildome
Nope
Double legging chairs

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

FishBowlRobot posted:

drat. Guess this is why Luke Thomas has been so openly stressed. RIP Morning Kombat.

Hey Donk! Are you on the official Morning Kombat discord?

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

Nierbo posted:

Next time Adesanya loses can we change the thread title to Izzy come, Izzy go?

But enough about his dog

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

kensei posted:

I know we have made jokes about Dana dropping USADA for Conor, but what about JBJ? This might curtail some of his retirement talk, and it will be interesting to see if we get a roided out Bones vs Stipe next month...

USADA is still around until the beginning of January

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

omg chael crash posted:

Why’s this? Honest question

His personality and his dad.

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Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

definitely a humble opinion because leg kicks only prove that the fighter doing them is a complete bitch rear end loser in the Unified Rules of Stockton.


i posted a long attempted tribute to the Diazes before their last fight, but to slightly restate, the true answer to "are the Diazes great strikers or poor strikers?" is "Yes". They are phenomenal strikers under Stockton rules. They are also pretty phenomenal strikers under normal rules, since they are able to psychologically goad people into fighting Stockton style. Which you can call a skill or an attribute or a facet of their insane existence. But they should certainly get credit for it given that they managed to convince pretty much everyone except for like GSP, Ben Henderson, and Conor in the second fight to fight as if it was Stockton rules. I think I would call it a skill. I think they realize on some level that in order to choose to be a fighter, you have to have something wrong with you. And the thing that's wrong with you is generally a psycho desire to make sure you prove that you're not a bitch rear end loser. So they can set the true scoring criteria, which generally seem to be predicated around perceiving the fight as a fight to the death:

1) who is more damaged at the end of the fight
2) who came closer to actually ending the fight, i.e. KO/subbing the opponent and theoretically being able to defenselessly kill them
3) who would win if the fight kept going
4) who looks less like a bitch rear end

...not necessarily in that order.

Based on that, you can see why something like Edwards-Diaz was actually a win for Diaz in Stockton. Yes, Nate lost on damage, but he came closer than Leon to ending the fight, and if the fight kept going, most people would have picked Nate to eventually win. Nick Diaz-Condit, neither were really damaged, but Condit can't run forever, and running is for bitches. So Carlos loses in a hypothetical fight to the death. Even something like Islam-Volk 1, it shows why it's a casually upsetting result. Islam was as damaged if not moreso, Volk came closer at the end to ending it, and Volk kills Islam if that goes to the death based on how Round 5 was going. Islam also had a bitch rear end look on his face as he was getting beat on.

Now that I think about it, Condit was very much a "This Is A Sport" guy. Not a fight to the death guy. So he gets docked a lot in this scoring. It makes sense why despite the Robbie fight probably being a slight robbery everyone was okay with Robbie winning. Robbie did more damage, came closer to ending the fight, would have won if it kept going. Condit-GSP, equally damaged, Condit DID come closer to winning the fight, but GSP still takes it if it goes endlessly.

Now, unfortunately for the Diazes they don't have much sway with athletic commissions or understanding of how the Unified Rules of MMA actually work, but it's hard to find a fight where they lost according to Stockton rules. The Josh Thomson fight, maybe the Rory/Dong fights where Nate was giving up tons of weight. I can't think of one Nick lost except maybe GSP. Nick seemed to have a weird (for him) respect for GSP's cardio and grind.

e: forgot to add the original point of all this. Which is: the best way to win fights that are held under MMA rules and regulation but actually under Stockton scoring is to try and stand and bang and knock the Diazes out. So they convince guys that's the only way they can truly actually win the fight. And then guys try to do this instead of just easily legkicking them for 15/25 minutes. Which plays right into their strengths as fighters. And makes them phenomenal, because they've convinced like 50 different guys to all fight the same exact way despite it being completely tactically insane to do.

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