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Which ghost of MMA still haunts you? This poll is closed. |
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| Nick Diaz |
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1 | 3.57% |
| Chuck Liddell |
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5 | 17.86% |
| Matt Serra |
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0 | 0% |
| Matt Serra |
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2 | 7.14% |
| Matt Serra |
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0 | 0% |
| Oh no you said his name three times |
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8 | 28.57% |
| Run |
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1 | 3.57% |
| RUN |
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11 | 39.29% |
| Total: | 28 votes | ||
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once again the UFC despite being lovely is somehow the most fair promoter in combat sports? truly a wretched industry
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Oct 5, 2023 20:17
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ALWAYS AND FOREVER man Conor truly is the goat. first two division champion and makes the sport so popular it merges with WWE and brings back steroids, effectively ushering in the second Pride Era. unfortunately this will be known as the (dana) White Pride Era, but gotta take small victories
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Oct 12, 2023 01:05
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blue footed boobie posted:I think a lot of it is the ESPN deal and the fact that UFC now has a professional board. Imagine the UFC brass explaining to a room full of Gordon Gecko types that, well, the easiest way they can make more money is to have Conor fight, and erm, he can't fight because of USADA, and geez, USADA is voluntary, plus -- you're not going to believe this -- we pay for USADA, and then explaining that there's literally no short-term downside to ditching USADA because the fighters will only have their hearts explode 20 years down the line and UFC has a ton of guaranteed ESPN money. Plus, on top of that, we get to market huge roided up hulking freakshows? yeah there’s really no upside to having it now that they’re big, have national acceptance and recognition, and are owned by the right white people. now it’ll be like the rest of sports where everyone just kinda looks the other way because we all want our entertainment. before, when they were owned by the Fertittas and therefore opposed by the Culinary Union, there was some theoretical risk of having a WWF like steroid investigation. But Rahm Emanuel has every type of democratic connection you could have and Dana is, well, probably going to speak at the RNC again. You add in Silver Lake behind it all and yeah, literally 0 reason for USADA to be involved anymore from their POV. there will be no regulation and no oversight unless there’s a steroid-driven death in the ring, like prime roided up Overeem or Vitor killing a guy with a knee. it also helps extend the life of their stars. Even if Conor loses again, he’ll still probably be able to juice more and more until he’s early 40s. that’s too much money to leave on the table. Guys like Nate and Volk were pretty late to becoming true stars, so extending their ability when they finally became more popular will be way more profitable than throwing whatever the hell a Mateusz Gamrot is at the title before Mateusz can really become known. but also, I would guess this means we see Brock again at UFC 300. wouldn’t doubt against Bones if he beats Stipe.
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Oct 12, 2023 03:20
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given how much the UFC monitors/guides/offers to help with weight cuts and diets, and given how many performance institutes they are building, I’m guessing it’ll be a quick descent into them openly giving athletes steroids and TRT and stem cells and everything else directly. and giving secret exemptions and eventually saying “but what are steroids, really?”. i feel like all that stuff is more socially accepted than years ago, so they’ll eventually have a reason to give basically everything that is legal to whoever wants it or whoever they want to take it. what’s the difference between TRT and some over the counter supplements? if it helps athletes be “healthy”, why not? (their probable argument, not mine) i don’t think you’ll see poo poo like stanozolol. but it is still legal to prescribe so who knows. maybe they will just go nuts and not tell anyone. privileged medical information and all that. i don’t think any of the commissions will commit to the same type of testing USADA does year round. nor are any of them in a political position strong enough to, not will they be.
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Oct 12, 2023 08:02
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blue footed boobie posted:I’ve always been under the impression that all UFC does for weight cuts is to maybe answer the phone when a fighter calls to say they hosed it up and can’t fight. Also I don’t know a lot about the performance institutes but it seems like they’re pretty vanilla gyms that are usually empty? they’ve been taking a much more active role in monitoring weights and providing advice. they provide all the meals and specific weight cutting instruction of any fighter wants it, and even with high level guys who can afford their own specialists, they are still checking in at least daily to monitor everything. they want to avoid incidents like Khabib hitting his head on the tub again, get earlier notice if a fighter is on track to miss so they can readjust things if necessary, and they want to educate fighters and camps and disseminate knowledge and prevent some of the more Josh Fabia-level grifters from ruining fights. With the PIs, again fighters can get year round food for free and performance and actual MMA training with all of their specialists. The UFC likes having guys in Vegas for all their in house shows and for possible replacements for the rest of their cards, so free coaching and food and supplements and performance monitoring and coaching and pre-specialist medical advice they just give for free. which makes the independent contractor grift all the more stupid and insulting, given how much control they can exert over a fighter’s whole life if he chooses to make the wise economic decision of going deep into the ecosystem of a PI. but you can also see how this is all set up to just start giving fighters things that are either straight PEDs once they control it or borderline PEDs or whatever. they’ll probably just juice up a guy with stem cells and HGH and TRT from a friendly doctor in the name or “athlete recovery and excellence”, wait a few months so that he can pass a commission test, and let em fight. i don’t think they’ll ever get into straight fixing fights like Pride did, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up giving certain “medical advice and performance optimization” to some fighters and less of that to other fighters. who’s gonna stop em. they’re just following (doctor’s) orders
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Oct 12, 2023 17:50
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kimbo305 posted:So the free food is only fresh stuff on site? No stipend/shipped stuff for the journeyman training in BFE? I'm not sure. I believe so. I think they might have been partnering with Factor or one of those other premade food delivery companies, so maybe they offered it outside of the PI, but I can't remember.
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Oct 12, 2023 20:18
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quote:The relationship between USADA and UFC became untenable given the statements made by UFC leaders and others questioning USADA’s principled stance that McGregor not be allowed to fight without being in the testing pool for at least six months. One UFC commentator echoed this, recently declaring that USADA should not oversee the UFC program since we held firm to the six-month rule involving McGregor, and since we do not allow fighters without an approved medical basis to use performance-enhancing drugs like experimental, unapproved peptides or testosterone for healing or injuries simply to get back in the Octagon. was watching that Hunter/Novitzky press conference and wanted to look up the actualy statement and lmao that Joe Rogan's constant obsession with huge jacked steroid dudes and new medical treatments got into it.
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Oct 13, 2023 02:39
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lol not sure if this has been posted but after Dana's whole "flags are back, people are too soft nowadays", they apparently didn't allow Khamzat and possibly Islam to walk to the ring with a Palestine flag?
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Oct 24, 2023 05:43
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gently caress. was really looking forward to that. hope Jones fights again
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Oct 25, 2023 06:21
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Francis seems, like, solidly up lmao
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Oct 29, 2023 00:17
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delightful posted:Just my humble opinion but an elite level striker doesn’t get leg kicked into a casket definitely a humble opinion because leg kicks only prove that the fighter doing them is a complete bitch rear end loser in the Unified Rules of Stockton. i posted a long attempted tribute to the Diazes before their last fight, but to slightly restate, the true answer to "are the Diazes great strikers or poor strikers?" is "Yes". They are phenomenal strikers under Stockton rules. They are also pretty phenomenal strikers under normal rules, since they are able to psychologically goad people into fighting Stockton style. Which you can call a skill or an attribute or a facet of their insane existence. But they should certainly get credit for it given that they managed to convince pretty much everyone except for like GSP, Ben Henderson, and Conor in the second fight to fight as if it was Stockton rules. I think I would call it a skill. I think they realize on some level that in order to choose to be a fighter, you have to have something wrong with you. And the thing that's wrong with you is generally a psycho desire to make sure you prove that you're not a bitch rear end loser. So they can set the true scoring criteria, which generally seem to be predicated around perceiving the fight as a fight to the death: 1) who is more damaged at the end of the fight 2) who came closer to actually ending the fight, i.e. KO/subbing the opponent and theoretically being able to defenselessly kill them 3) who would win if the fight kept going 4) who looks less like a bitch rear end ...not necessarily in that order. Based on that, you can see why something like Edwards-Diaz was actually a win for Diaz in Stockton. Yes, Nate lost on damage, but he came closer than Leon to ending the fight, and if the fight kept going, most people would have picked Nate to eventually win. Nick Diaz-Condit, neither were really damaged, but Condit can't run forever, and running is for bitches. So Carlos loses in a hypothetical fight to the death. Even something like Islam-Volk 1, it shows why it's a casually upsetting result. Islam was as damaged if not moreso, Volk came closer at the end to ending it, and Volk kills Islam if that goes to the death based on how Round 5 was going. Islam also had a bitch rear end look on his face as he was getting beat on. Now that I think about it, Condit was very much a "This Is A Sport" guy. Not a fight to the death guy. So he gets docked a lot in this scoring. It makes sense why despite the Robbie fight probably being a slight robbery everyone was okay with Robbie winning. Robbie did more damage, came closer to ending the fight, would have won if it kept going. Condit-GSP, equally damaged, Condit DID come closer to winning the fight, but GSP still takes it if it goes endlessly. Now, unfortunately for the Diazes they don't have much sway with athletic commissions or understanding of how the Unified Rules of MMA actually work, but it's hard to find a fight where they lost according to Stockton rules. The Josh Thomson fight, maybe the Rory/Dong fights where Nate was giving up tons of weight. I can't think of one Nick lost except maybe GSP. Nick seemed to have a weird (for him) respect for GSP's cardio and grind. e: forgot to add the original point of all this. Which is: the best way to win fights that are held under MMA rules and regulation but actually under Stockton scoring is to try and stand and bang and knock the Diazes out. So they convince guys that's the only way they can truly actually win the fight. And then guys try to do this instead of just easily legkicking them for 15/25 minutes. Which plays right into their strengths as fighters. And makes them phenomenal, because they've convinced like 50 different guys to all fight the same exact way despite it being completely tactically insane to do. DO YALL WANT A BOXC fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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Nov 1, 2023 00:59
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Tangy Zizzle posted:Condit was a killer, dunno why anyone could think he wouldn't have whipped Diaz if the fight went forever  Shumagorath posted:BOXC you are a posting treasure. Please never fake your own death on the internet. thank you friend. i will be here as long as the forums exist and I don't get permaed again inshallah DO YALL WANT A BOXC fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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Nov 1, 2023 06:57
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