AndrewP posted:

Hoooooo boy, so far this thread is (in my opinion) severely underrating Trevor Lawrence who is far and away the best on this list followed by Purdy and Stroud

fsif posted:

I wouldn't go so far to say Lawrence has been "mediocre" but I feel like if he switched draft positions with Purdy we'd be talking about the two QBs very differently.

fsif posted:

I think you interpreted my point backwards. If Purdy was drafted in the first round, there'd be way more fanfare about him winning every game he's played and having no turnovers this season. There wouldn't be nearly as many dismissive "yeah but he's driving a Ferrari" comments.

People would be thrilled with TLaw in the 7th but no one would place him in the Allen/Burrow/Herbert tier.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

If you look at just stats Jimmy G looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play.

Supporting context is important to consider.

Purdy has incredible supporting talent on both sides of the ball and one of the very best offensive coaches in football. No poo poo he’s producing.

If you out Lawrence in that situation then he does better than Purdy.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

I don’t think it’s literally plug and play but I think it is about as plug and play as could plausibly exist for the nfl. It’s just a terrific situation for a qb.

I agree Purdy is probably better than Jimmy G.

Doltos posted:

There's so many parroted stupid poo poo with the draft every single year because it's a spectacle now. You can probably bingo card the draft thread.

Doltos posted:

Telling people obvious poo poo that good players deserve to be drafted high and the logo on your helmet in college doesn't dictate your future, common sense poo poo that is somehow lost on morons that afk post draft pundit opinions

Anderson Koopa posted:

I was curious about how Mac Jones compared to Zach Wilson. The numbers are fairly close all things considered.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/stats/mac-jones-zach-wilson.php

AndrewP posted:

The Ravens in 2014 but they had literally Gary Kubiak installing and coaching it

Doltos posted:

The Texans were supposed to be the cupcake schedule. They're playing out of their minds and Stroud looks completely legit. He's got the anticipation of Drew Brees and the body of some random guy off the street but the arm of a hawk and I lost the trail

R.D. Mangles posted:

Here's my 100% reliable scouting report on roklokie QBs: whoever the bears pick will suck rear end.

Pain of Mind posted:

I remember saying Zach Wilson will bust because he has Jimmy Clauson face. I do not even know how to quantify that, but there is a face that makes you bad at football.

Alaois posted:

wrong

this man is only 3 years older than Drake Maye

Anderson Koopa posted:

Guy looks like he could be off fighting in World War 2 or something.

DeimosRising posted:

If Purdy had a more handsome or older looking face, or was slightly taller but absolutely nothing else changed about his game or results, he would be taken much more seriously as a candidate

Shinji2015 posted:

Much like Bryce misses receivers

FizFashizzle posted:

He is a pampered rich kid who’s spent his life in invitational qb camps, elite prep high schools, and Alabama. He’s always been surrounded by the best players and coaches. He’d lost like three games ever and and has never been challenged because of how good his teams were/

Relentlessboredomm posted:

ive met Fiz, he would look less out of place on the football field than loving Bryce

Vox Nihili posted:

It's a below-average o-line!

epic bacon posted:

the MVP is an extremely stupid award

people literally vote on who they think is "most valuable" to a team, despite that not being a real metric that you can possibly measure. it's clear the intent of the award from the beginning was to award it to the player who had the best season, but obviously that's morphed big time to this weird place it's at now to where it can only be given to quarterbacks

but man how stupid of a discussion is it that we can say Brock Purdy is really good...but what if he misses a game and his backup plays well. that means he's actually not that good? but what if his backup plays poorly, that means he's actually really good? because he wasn't initially as valuable as we thought because his backup is good? bizarre scenarios that have nothing to do with the play of the player in question.

ultimately the award just needs to be given to the player that stands out the most any given season, the one who elevates himself above the rest. i absolutely do not care if Brock Purdy is not technically the "most valuable" on his team....is he playing at a level beyond his peers? is Tyreek Hill doing the same? what about Micah Parsons? Trent Williams? these are the discussions we need to have

YOLOsubmarine posted:

Even if they don’t play him they’re not going to cut him. He’d get traded or kept on as a backup.

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

Should he have been? I don’t think so Tim.

fsif posted:

Just don't do what the Jets did and force the team to roll with an-almost-certain bust with no viable escape hatch.

fsif posted:

I guess it depends on how you define "bounce back," but there really aren't many QBs with terrible rookie seasons that become solid starters or better. This comes up every offseason and you can't get through one hand until you're starting to count QBs that were drafted nearly two decades ago.

Doltos posted:

You're not allowed to say Peyton Manning even though he's an example? That's kind of selective bias right there.

List of QBs that had a near statistical season as Bryce their rookie year or way worse that are starting right now:

Jared Goff
Josh Allen
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Geno Smith
Kirk Cousins
Joe Flacco
Ryan Tannehill

Should I keep going or is this going to change your mind at all?

Bismack Billabongo posted:

I’m going to leave aside my usual Trevor Bust stuff and say this, he cost them a playoff spot by trying to play hurt. He had the ankle thing, the concussion thing, and the shoulder thing, he really should have tried to sit instead of rushing back from the first two. Now who can say if it was him rushing back or the team rushing him back but it was poo poo decision making regardless.

He was touted as the latest “generational” prospect and he just isn’t that. He’s baseline play with the capacity to have consistently good stretches and great individual games but he’s not elite by any means.

On that note can we please retire the phrase generational because it’s become absolutely meaningless when it’s applied to a different rookie QB every other season.

Oberstwo posted:

Harlock posted:

All time bust Zach Wilson was still a starter by year 3