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Maybe Shanahan and Campbell cracked the code on accident. Shanahan out of not being able to get a top QB, and Campbell out of being meathead-Rainman. In a league where defenses have become complex, suffocating, and impossible to read, complex high flying offenses don't work as well anymore. Wasting high draft picks or 25% of your cap on an elite QB isn't worthwhile, defenses finally caught up. The Lions and SF built offenses that have great running schemes, flat and slot throws, and great lines that work really well against defenses that have been built for 2 decades to beat complicated, long developing passing plays. I think having a bunch of playmakers that can turn short plays into chunks is a lot more important than a mastermind QB now. And having a QB that can just get the ball in one of very limited opening spots to a playmaker is good enough. imo
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Shrimpy posted:Jared Goff was the #1 overall pick (who was traded up for) and has the third highest cap hit for a quarterback in 2023. When he got the current contract it had the most guaranteed money of all time. The fact that folks don't think he's elite, doesn't mean he's not being paid like an elite QB who signed a contract in 2019. Yeah he was the #1 traded up for pick for the Rams, and he was a bust - as far as the Rams are concerned. The Rams would have been much better off trading it down. He did have a huge cap hit to the Lions, but the Lions got a ton of trade for taking taking that salary dump. They traded Stafford for Goff and: A 2021 3rd: Ifeatu Melifonwu CB - started but inconsequential A 2022 1st: Traded Rams 32, and 34 and 66 with Vikings 12 (Jamo) and 46 (Josh Paschal, bust so far) - Jamo is a bust as of now for a 12 but is definitely an asset and might still earn that 12. A 2023 1st: Traded Rams 6 and their 81 with Arizona for 12 (Gibbs), 34 (LaPorta), and 168. The 168 got traded again but the meat of the value in this was 6 for 12 and 34. So they didn't get Goff and a $21mm cap hit, they got Goff with his 21mm cap hit and Gibbs, LaPorta and Jamo on rookie contracts. Is Stafford better in a vacuum? Yeah. Is Stafford better than Goff with LaPorta and Gibbs? Recent history would suggest not. And Stafford has as big a cap hit for the Rams as all of them combined, so I disagree with using Goff as an example of a high draft pick mediocre QB not being that big of a hinderance. The Lions cut the check for Goff's salary this year, but the Ram's are the ones that really paid it. AndrewP posted:The boy geniuses like McVay and Shanahan can’t tell you what to do when the play breaks down. Having a QB that can create is a drat near necessity in today’s NFL. Papercut posted:The Niners are very much not a great pass blocking offensive line. Like not even a little bit, at all. They have exactly one positive lineman in pass protect. Correct, and I'm wrong that the 49ers have a good line, but my point was with how defenses have adapted to passing games, and in a world with limited cap space and top 10 picks being traded for disgusting value, it's better to have a competent QB (Brock, Goff) that can get the ball to playmakers and spend those resources on the players around them. Improv plays are important, but that's much easier - to use your Rams/49ers as an example - when you got Kyren, Puka, Kupp, CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, back there being a loving nightmare for the defense to try and figure out how to cover, and to bail you out. Counterpoint: Mahomes takes up 25% of his team's cap space, and their passing offense has been historically lovely this year. It's not because Mahomes is bad, it's because his best receiver is a million year old tight end. The rest of their receivers are dire. Rice isn't even that good, he's just the one bright spot, promising for a rookie, in an otherwise garbage WR corps. Isiah Pacheco bailed the chiefs out but that guy's getting less than a million a year, and he's loving out the millisecond his contract's up. They won't be able to pay him because Mahomes is getting it all. They better hit every draft pick or they're hosed. Their best defensive player, L'Jarius Sneed, only got $2.7mm and his contracts up. Sell your stock in KC while you still can. TLDR: The resources given to QBs, both in cap space and draft picks, is too much. The best teams of the future are going to shift away from schemes requiring elite pocket passing QBs. We're still building rosters in a world where Peyton Manning cost $10 million in his prime, and defenses weren't built in split-field coverages that crush pass-first teams. imo
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A Sneaker Broker posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ_QE7bhL1s As a Bears fan, non-Fields stan, and author the previous effort post, I hope to god we don't piss away that pick on Williams. We could get so, so much for that pick with the Williams buzz and CJ Stroud FOMO from some desperate GM that is in a win-or-get-fired situation. But we'll probably draft him because Poles and Flus are also in a win-or-get-fired situation, and a good deal that pays off in a year isn't of much value in that situation to the guys making the decision. 
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DickEmery posted:Does anyone think Washington would trade up one spot to guarantee getting Williams? Depends on Washington, they got new coaches so they aren’t as desperate to win now, and Maye is an option for them, but if their ownership gets the same Williams-fever everyone else has and we make it clear we own the right to pick him, and are selling to the highest bidder, even WAS would give us a lot. Everyone has CJ Stroud FOMO right now too, it’s like the Texans bought bitcoin in 2009 and everyone else is looking at it a year later, wanting to get rich quick too. This year’s QB class is more touted than last year too (prior to knowing Stroud was gonna be a star) - combine that with a QB starved league, FOMO, and everyone being so high on Williams, that pick is worth a haul even to #2. If we play it right, we could get a future first + late rounds and/or a proven player just for dropping to 2. At worst we could get a future 1st and some picks, maybe a good proven player at a position we lack. We could also get a franchise’s future for trading to someone with a much lower pick. Imagine what a late pick team with a good roster and a poo poo QB might give us. If Washington does sell us the farm, and we drop to 2, we can still trade that 2 down again for another haul to someone who’d settle for Maye. I hope we’re smart enough to do this. If we do draft Williams I sure hope it’s worth the hype, because anything less than as-advertised franchise QB is gonna feel real bad for squandering this opportunity. vaginite fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Jan 27, 2024 |
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