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Much like how there's a separate thread for the war in Ukraine, this is an offshoot of the Current Events thread because the CE thread can be too easily flooded with posts on one topic. As ever, no snuff, etc.
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Oct 10, 2023 15:34
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Gotta say, an ouroboros of "what if we responded to war crimes with our own war crimes" does not lead to great results.
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Oct 10, 2023 15:58
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Cugel the Clever posted:Gotta say, an ouroboros of "what if we responded to war crimes with our own war crimes" does not lead to great results. But maybe... this time...?
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Oct 10, 2023 16:01
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Cugel the Clever posted:Gotta say, an ouroboros of "what if we responded to war crimes with our own war crimes" does not lead to great results. We just have to war crime harder than the other guy in the second half.
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Oct 10, 2023 16:02
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Grip it and rip it posted:But maybe... this time...? "If we war crime hard enough we can cleanse.....er, gain more land!"
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Oct 10, 2023 16:02
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"Also the big crimes have to be done this week, next week Thursday at the latest, because after that there'll be another UN resolution making it too expensive. Like last time. Again."
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Oct 10, 2023 16:16
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Thread's off to a great start so far. Actual content: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/hamas-prepared-for-a-long-war-with-israel-as-concerns-for-hostages-in-gaza-grow Israel is claiming that they've killed more than 1500 Hamas troops inside of Israel. Even if that number is inflated a bit, that's way more than the "dozens" of troops that were initially reported to have crossed the border.
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Oct 10, 2023 17:09
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psydude posted:Thread's off to a great start so far. Holy crap. That is a whole bunch of guys doing things across the border, like more than were found already amounts of people. I have a feeling that Israel is going to be in for a bunch more random explosions in the next few weeks.
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Oct 10, 2023 17:12
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psydude posted:Thread's off to a great start so far. Hamas/civilian it's all really just labels and we like to think it's all fluid - Israeli propaganda. likely
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Oct 10, 2023 17:19
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Crab Dad posted:Hamas/civilian it's all really just labels and we like to think it's all fluid - Israeli propaganda. likely Yeah, its far more likely they are killing non-combatants as they have in the past and going "Oops, all Hamas" Its not like the dead can defend themselves...
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Oct 10, 2023 17:21
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Israel needs to prepare to fight a real insurgency, not just shooting unarmed rioters. I have little doubt that they have experienced and trained guerrillas in Israel, along with sleeper elements. These guys will have either experience or trained by guys with experience fighting the US in the region. From a military science standpoint, Hamas has impressed and really had their poo poo together. From the symbolism of the date, to Unconventional and conventional warfare tactics used so far.
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Oct 10, 2023 17:22
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I mean, I hate Israel as much as the next Jew, but Jesus gently caress some of you people have some brain worms Re: Israel. I know it’s not antisemitism, you folks aren’t like that, but goddamn.
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Oct 10, 2023 17:26
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Hamas, much like Wager, is about the strength of an oversized infantry division, right?
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Oct 10, 2023 17:32
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[IDF Headquarters, October 2023] Halevi: [chanting] crimes, crimes- Other officials: crimes, CRIMES Netanyahu: [pounding his clipboard] CRIMES, CRIMES, CRIMES!
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Oct 10, 2023 17:34
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M_Gargantua posted:Hamas, much like Wager, is about the strength of an oversized infantry division, right? I'm not sure anyone actually knows. I would imagine it is hard to make a count of Hamas members, I don't believe they have membership cards or anything. Now that I am thinking about it, it might be impossible to get a vaguely accurate number, especially when you factor in other groups that are operating in the area. Right now, it seems like Israel is saying any corpse they come across that is Palestinian is "Hamas".
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Oct 10, 2023 17:56
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Anyone that runs is Hamas Anyone that stands still is well-disciplined Hamas
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Oct 10, 2023 18:02
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I mean, I hate Israel as much as the next Jew, but Jesus gently caress some of you people have some brain worms Re: Israel. You think that all 1500 of the reported killed Hamas Troops were actual combatants?
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Oct 10, 2023 18:03
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I mean, I hate Israel as much as the next Jew, but Jesus gently caress some of you people have some brain worms Re: Israel. I mean its a country that actively alienates and ostracizes the natives and then act like they are profoundly aghast that the natives are fighting back. And purposefully sabotaged any sort of two state solutions so they could conduct a campaign of land seizure and ethnic cleansing. And they have a proven habit of labelling civilians who run or hide from the military as combatants down to outright killing them and/or disappearing them. The problem is it has nothing to do with being Jewish, everything to do with the political state they've created. And they've purposefully created a system that conflates criticism of Israel as a state as criticism of Jews. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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Oct 10, 2023 18:04
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Reminder to be very skeptical of anything sourced from social media right now. There's a lot of fake news spread by people looking to dial the bloodlust up to 11 that is being taken up by news agencies without due vetting. https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3kbfyohy6ql2x Grip it and rip it posted:You think that all 1500 of the reported killed Hamas Troops were actual combatants? Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Oct 10, 2023 |
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Oct 10, 2023 18:17
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It’s loving Hamas. It’s also loving Israel. They suck, hard. Both sides even, g-d help me for saying it. But Hamas isn’t just homegrown anti Israeli terrorism, and the parts that aren’t homegrown are pretty awful. Now take everything I said and find/replace with Israel because goddamn is the corollary is true. The worst part to me? This is a democracy. Israel is a democracy. There is no such thing as good governments on long enough time lines. God I hope this ends as quickly as it began, but I doubt very much so that it does.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:27
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bulletsponge13 posted:We just have to war crime harder than the other guy in the second half. IDF 
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Oct 10, 2023 18:29
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:It’s loving Hamas. Yeah they both loving suck. Whoever wins, we all lose.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:35
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:It’s loving Hamas. Yeah, it's important to remember that the Israeli government only really represents a plurality of its voting citizens, and even then there have been massive demonstrations against the policy proposals that they have attempted to shoehorn through since the start of this decade. The reality is that anytime a war breaks out, it's absolutely a failure on multiple levels for reason to carry the day. People that thirst for warfare are universally idiots, and the people who suffer the most are always going to be the most vulnerable.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:38
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Non-paywall link to ongoing NYT coverage: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/1...&smid=url-share
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Oct 10, 2023 18:39
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Cugel the Clever posted:Reminder to be very skeptical of anything sourced from social media right now. There's a lot of fake news spread by people looking to dial the bloodlust up to 11 that is being taken up by news agencies without due vetting. I think this is the first really big news event since the muskian enshittification of twitter and holy gently caress is it completely, utterly unreliable. I thought I could fish through the enshittification with the sources I follow, but it's just not really possible. Granted, this whole deal has completely overturned a lot of experts' priors about the region, so the true experts are shutting up and trying to find out as much as we are. At this point, if it's not an on-ground video with a reporter talking, it's probably not worth much, but that's risking seeing snuff footage and imma pass on that.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:45
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facialimpediment posted:I think this is the first really big news event since the muskian enshittification of twitter and holy gently caress is it completely, utterly unreliable. I thought I could fish through the enshittification with the sources I follow, but it's just not really possible. Musk has openly embraced Right Wing echochambers because he thinks it will get him closer to people in power. And because Musk is a loving apartheid Right Wing moron.
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Oct 10, 2023 18:49
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Grip it and rip it posted:But maybe... this time...? I mean, it worked out pretty well for us in WW2, all the times after that we didnt do the WC thing and we lost.
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Oct 10, 2023 19:00
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Arione posted:I mean, it worked out pretty well for us in WW2, all the times after that we didnt do the WC thing and we lost. You didn't do war crimes in Viet Nam? Who taught you english, Josef Stalin?
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Oct 10, 2023 19:24
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Arione posted:I mean, it worked out pretty well for us in WW2, all the times after that we didnt do the WC thing and we lost. Yeah I gotta hope this is sarcastic because if not then lmao
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Oct 10, 2023 19:26
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Arione posted:I mean, it worked out pretty well for us in WW2, all the times after that we didnt do the WC thing and we lost. yeah! no war crimes in Korea either! or the Phillipines! Nothing during manifest destiny neither!
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Oct 10, 2023 19:29
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CommieGIR posted:Musk has openly embraced Right Wing echochambers because he thinks it will get him closer to people in power. He's not wrong.
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Oct 10, 2023 19:29
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M_Gargantua posted:He's not wrong. I feel like he's going to run into the problem that Trump did where none of the old money and old power can stand him for a nanosecond
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Oct 10, 2023 19:32
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M_Gargantua posted:He's not wrong. Tiny Timbs posted:I feel like he's going to run into the problem that Trump did where none of the old money and old power can stand him for a nanosecond This. Despite the fact that he's viewed as smart, he's a techbro douchebag who has a habit of burning bridges.
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Oct 10, 2023 19:36
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Not a great argument considering one of them is/was the richest person alive and the other was president for a bit. A lot of people could live with not being liked to be either of those.
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Oct 10, 2023 19:45
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The funniest thing is neither of those two can
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Oct 10, 2023 19:52
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:The funniest thing is neither of those two can 
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Oct 10, 2023 20:02
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:The funniest thing is neither of those two can 
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Oct 10, 2023 20:11
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Some quick napkin math for perspective, but in in terms of civilian casualties relative to total population Hamas's attack is an order of magnitude worse than 9-11. Or to put it another way, if Al Qaeda killed the same rough percentage of the population as Hamas just did then 9-11 would have been on the order of twenty to thirty thousand dead. Absolutely a complete failure by the Israeli government to let this happen on their watch.
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Oct 10, 2023 20:12
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:The funniest thing is neither of those two can hahaha
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Oct 10, 2023 20:13
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M_Gargantua posted:He's not wrong. Remember that time Musk unbanned Trump from his media platform to toady up to him and then Trump simply didn't come back? That was, and continues to be, fun.
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