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CommieGIR posted:Yeah they both loving suck. Whoever wins, we all lose.
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Oct 10, 2023 20:24
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I wonder if they sent the entire silver bullet or if they’re keeping delta or the SEALs in reserve. That’s a goddamn lot of hostages, but Israel has a goddamn lot of special operations and so do their few “Allies”. I gotta imagine it’s no more than a squadron and associated enablers / C2 strictly for the American hostages. JSOC ain’t kicking in Gaza doors for Saul Rosenblatt unless he owns property in palm beach. Ya know?
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Oct 10, 2023 20:41
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Arione posted:I mean, it worked out pretty well for us in WW2, all the times after that we didnt do the WC thing and we lost. ah yes, the Korean war. An engagement notable for its lack of war crimes.
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Oct 10, 2023 20:46
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I would so loving pissed if I had to die for anything related to either side.
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Oct 10, 2023 20:58
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:You didn't do war crimes in Viet Nam? Who taught you english, Josef Stalin? Personally? No I wasnt born until 87. To more pointedly answer your question. The general notion of "war crimes" has been applied as early as 1474 in the holy roman empire. Today's notion stems from the 1949 geneva convention common article 3. But even then its a treaty, and treaties are only applicable between signatories. Under IHL, anyone who is not a combatant is considered a civilian.138 Reserve or off-duty soldiers are considered civilians unless they take part directly in hostilities, or become subject to military command. Civilians lose their civilian protection if they directly participate in armed hostilities, but only during the period of that participation; they regain civilian status once they are no longer directly engaged in hostilities. 138 Under article 50(1) of Protocol I a civilian is defined as someone who is not a member of any organized armed forces of a party to a conflict. The same article adds that "[i]n cases of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian." Under article 51(3), civilians that directly participate in hostilities lose civilian protection for the duration of such participation. Seems like trying to pick up the clean end of a turd.
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Oct 10, 2023 21:01
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Arione posted:Personally? No I wasnt born until 87. what the gently caress even is this post
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Oct 10, 2023 21:13
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Re Hamas numbers, there's gotta be heaps of them, I mean if you look at the number of Hamas military buildings Israel keeps
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Oct 10, 2023 21:41
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https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1711839404723953963 Why would CENTCOM announce the arrival of the Ford Strike Group when Israel is in EUCOM's AOR?
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Oct 10, 2023 21:43
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Maybe the real Hamas was the friends we made along the way
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Oct 10, 2023 21:44
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Arione posted:Personally? No I wasnt born until 87. If you want to be technical, the idea of war crimes started with organized warfare. They weren't formalized, but they existed. The idea of civilians in warfare is relatively recent; in conflict throughout history, the civilian populace was part of the conflict- and pay- of the armies. War Crimes involve more than civilains, and civilians deaths aren't always a war crime, so I'm a little confused on that. If civilians are killed in a legitimate hit against legitimate targets, it isn't a war crime. And that ignores the reality of irregular warfare, where forces may not be uniformed. America with it's GWOT also created a new Grey area of the legal treatment of 'enemy combatants' which gives the precedents for others to follow. That's before we get into the intricacies of the conflict itself. Also, not sure if you were being sarcastic about your US War Crimes synopsis, but uh...we are the loving Pros at it. There isn't a single country or conflict the US entered into that didn't have the US commit pretty deplorable poo poo- our history makes it look like bombing civilians is a hobby. WW2 was practice, post WW2 was the game. Reminder- the US has a law that we will bomb the loving ICC of they attempt to arrest/try any American. It was passed in 2003 to protect US leadership from consequences of Iraq and AFG. I can't think of a single war where the US didn't violate the agreed upon laws of warfare.
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bulletsponge13 posted:If you want to be technical, the idea of war crimes started with organized warfare. They weren't formalized, but they existed. The idea of civilians in warfare is relatively recent; in conflict throughout history, the civilian populace was part of the conflict- and pay- of the armies. Yeah I'm pretty sure the strike group didnt just enter the med to distribute flowers.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:14
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1711839404723953963 Israel was moved into CENTCOM's AOR 2 years ago. https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2021/09/07/us-central-command-absorbs-israel-into-its-area-of-responsibility/
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Oct 10, 2023 22:18
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This was reposted by one of the journalists on the BBC Verify team. I haven't seen this anywhere else: https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1710980029977424295 Coming from an observer's perspective, I would very happy if this thread continued to stick closely to reporting on the events taking place. Every other part of the Internet appears to be full of people giving their bad, poorly informed opinions on an incredibly complex conflict with a history that goes back (at least) a century.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:29
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Aertuun posted:This was reposted by one of the journalists on the BBC Verify team. I haven't seen this anywhere else: That opening drone footage was both interesting and scary. I don't like how easily they attacked infrastructure and kept the drone (presumably) after delivering the payload. I never thought Hamas would end up with "airstrike" capability.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:51
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Cugel the Clever posted:Gotta say, an ouroboros of "what if we responded to war crimes with our own war crimes" does not lead to great results. Grip it and rip it posted:But maybe... this time...? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIdCsMufIY
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Oct 10, 2023 23:07
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ASAPI posted:That opening drone footage was both interesting and scary. I don't like how easily they attacked infrastructure and kept the drone (presumably) after delivering the payload. I wonder how many lessons Hamas has taken from seeing it done in Ukraine.
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Oct 10, 2023 23:07
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This really should be in the OP set to autoplay
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Oct 10, 2023 23:12
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I've decided this thread is going to be my main source of news and opinion because holy poo poo the internet is full of the worst possible takes and somehow a bunch of broke brained vets on a dead comedy site are the most sane I'll encounter. It's unsettling as gently caress seeing Jewish friends and acquaintances whose political social media activity doesn't usually go beyond pro-Democratic politician reposts start putting up poo poo about since Hamas schools train Palestinian children to be terrorists so it's morally justified to wipe out Gaza.
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Oct 10, 2023 23:15
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For real though is this the first time (not counting Mad Max 2) that loving motorized paragliders have been used as assault vehicles?
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Oct 10, 2023 23:24
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:For real though is this the first time (not counting Mad Max 2) that loving motorized paragliders have been used as assault vehicles? I was gonna say they're even outdoing C&C Generals at this point
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Oct 10, 2023 23:28
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Stultus Maximus posted:holy poo poo the internet is full of the worst possible takes and somehow a bunch of broke brained vets on a dead comedy site are the most sane I'll encounter.
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CommieGIR posted:I wonder how many lessons Hamas has taken from seeing it done in Ukraine. There's two other videos posted by the same journalist. One from Hamas and one from the IDF. One is from Hamas, showing tanks getting attacked (by drones). The second is from the IDF, showing some buildings being levelled by single airstrikes. No bodies or gore and Twitter doesn't even show them as NSFW, but I'll mark them as NSFW just in case.  https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1711330417507197141https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1711305174570938523 These haven't been reposted by BBC Verify, but they're from the same journalist. There are a LOT of videos of IDF airstrikes over the past few days from the same account.
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Oct 10, 2023 23:47
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Setting aside the dire humanitarian catastrophe unfolding at the moment, I just have to say, what really gets my goat about this is the abject unreadiness of Israel's border troops. This is a relatively small border—how were there not sufficient automated systems in place to detect unusual activity and pull in humans to review and slam the "WAKE THE gently caress UP AND GET YOUR GUN" at the border outposts?
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Oct 10, 2023 23:57
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It’s going around. The US’s own internal security agency ignored insurrectionists posting detailed plans in public and then blamed it on their IT contract.
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Oct 10, 2023 23:58
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I’m friends with a guy whose parents are Palestinian refugees, and he’s really struggling as close friends are calling for his people’s genocide.
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Oct 11, 2023 00:09
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Handsome Ralph posted:Israel was moved into CENTCOM's AOR 2 years ago. Interesting, thanks for the update. Having worked on both sides covering the Levant, it was always annoying that Israel and the Palestinian Authority were separated out. Although it was good they were with EUCOM for the longest time since CENTCOM did not give a poo poo about the Levant since having Iraq and Afghanistan already didn't leave a lot of oxygen in the room.
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Oct 11, 2023 00:39
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There's a line dating back to the Kosovo War that has stuck in my mind ever since. I think it was from an article written before the NATO air campaign, about some teenagers that got killed in a massacre by Serb paramilitaries (or maybe police or regular army, there wasn't much difference at the time.) They weren't killed despite being young. They were killed because they were young. See, Kosovo is 'hallowed Serbian land' ever since they lost a decisive battle against the Ottomans there. Except, by the late 20th century, it was settled mostly by Albanians, who are mostly Muslim. By the late 80s and beyond, there was some nasty Serb version of the 'Great Replacement' theory making the rounds, how Albanian peasants had more children, and would outgrow and displace the Serbs eventually. I've tried not to look at the footage coming out of Israel too closely, but I just caught a picture of a blood-soaked crib and that line came back to me.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1711839404723953963 Yeah it’s strange since the Ford was showing up on Turkish TikTok chilling next to the beach a week ago. With Ukraine ongoing I’d assume there would be at least one Carrier group in the eastern Med regardless.
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Oct 11, 2023 03:48
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Big K of Justice posted:Yeah it’s strange since the Ford was showing up on Turkish TikTok chilling next to the beach a week ago. Carriers are the implement of soft and hard power, having a CSG off the coast carries the implication to Israel's neighbors i.e. Lebanon to keep minding their own business. A single CSG can devastate most countries in the world so announcing its presence is saying "here's our big stick, stay in your lane"
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Oct 11, 2023 03:55
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And there's going to be two soon, right? IIRC the USS GW is heading in that direction now
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Oct 11, 2023 04:10
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https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1711913141934645757?s=20 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-urges-israeli-leader-minimize-civilian-casualties-war-hamas-rcna119826
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Handsome Ralph posted:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-urges-israeli-leader-minimize-civilian-casualties-war-hamas-rcna119826
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Soylent Pudding posted:Some quick napkin math for perspective, but in in terms of civilian casualties relative to total population Hamas's attack is an order of magnitude worse than 9-11. Or to put it another way, if Al Qaeda killed the same rough percentage of the population as Hamas just did then 9-11 would have been on the order of twenty to thirty thousand dead. Yeah. If the story of the Egyptian intel chief warning Israel 10 days before the attack is true, then holy poo poo there will be hell to pay for those in power. They'll have every victim's blood on their hands. Again, if true.
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Oct 11, 2023 04:35
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I wonder if they sent the entire silver bullet or if they’re keeping delta or the SEALs in reserve. I'd imagine there's quite a bit of support to the State Dept to augment the DSS. I'd also think you're correct - it's probably a lot of enablers like TFO rather than squadrons of Delta.
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orange juche posted:Carriers are the implement of soft and hard power, having a CSG off the coast carries the implication to Israel's neighbors i.e. Lebanon to keep minding their own business. A single CSG can devastate most countries in the world so announcing its presence is saying "here's our big stick, stay in your lane" its there to make sure no one else presumably tries to intervene when Israel cranks the genocide knob from 2 to 11. thats what we're doing.
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Aertuun posted:This was reposted by one of the journalists on the BBC Verify team. I haven't seen this anywhere else: Oh, that's not an observation tower. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-security-failure.html quote:The four officials said the success of the attack, based on their early assessment, was rooted in a slew of security failures by Israel’s intelligence community and military, including: Those communication towers had no human defenders nearby, meaning thelinchpin of Israel's border wall was only defended by automated and remote systems, which turn off when the towers go down. They were armored against rockets and RPG fire from all sides, but had no armor on the top. So if a few small
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golden bubble posted:Oh, that's not an observation tower. Spared no expense.
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golden bubble posted:the warning system for the human soldiers on the second line also gets knocked out. It sounds like their monitoring systems got destroyed, telemetry stopped emitting, and the right alarming mechanisms either weren't in place or were ignored by a human operator.
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golden bubble posted:Oh, that's not an observation tower. This is such a colossal failure that it's almost unbelievable.
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