2023 Hamas/Israeli War Thread: Just because you Quds, doesn't mean you should(s)

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golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

Aertuun posted:

This was reposted by one of the journalists on the BBC Verify team. I haven't seen this anywhere else:

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1710980029977424295

Coming from an observer's perspective, I would very happy if this thread continued to stick closely to reporting on the events taking place. Every other part of the Internet appears to be full of people giving their bad, poorly informed opinions on an incredibly complex conflict with a history that goes back (at least) a century.

Oh, that's not an observation tower.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-security-failure.html

quote:

The four officials said the success of the attack, based on their early assessment, was rooted in a slew of security failures by Israel�s intelligence community and military, including:

- Failure by intelligence officers to monitor key communication channels used by Palestinian attackers;

- Overreliance on border surveillance equipment that was easily shut down by attackers, allowing them to raid military bases and slay soldiers in their beds;

- Clustering of commanders in a single border base that was overrun in the opening phase of the incursion, preventing communication with the rest of the armed forces;

- And a willingness to accept at face value assertions by Gazan military leaders, made on private channels that the Palestinians knew were being monitored by Israel, that they were not preparing for battle.

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The next failure was operational.

Two of the officials said that the Israeli border surveillance system was almost entirely reliant on cameras, sensors and machine guns that are operated remotely.

Israeli commanders had grown overly confident in the system�s impregnability. They thought that the combination of remote surveillance and arms, barriers above ground and a subterranean wall to block Hamas from digging tunnels into Israel made mass infiltration unlikely, reducing the need for significant numbers of soldiers to be physically stationed along border line itself.

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But the remote-control system had a vulnerability: It could also be destroyed remotely.

Hamas took advantage of that weakness by sending aerial drones to attack the cellular towers that transmitted signals to and from the surveillance system, according to the officials and also drone footage circulated by Hamas on Saturday and analyzed by The New York Times.

Without cellular signals, the system was useless. Soldiers stationed in control rooms behind the front lines did not receive alarms that the fence separating Gaza and Israel had been breached, and could not watch video showing them where the Hamas attackers were bulldozing the barricades. In addition, the barrier turned out to be easier to break through than Israeli officials had expected.

Those communication towers had no human defenders nearby, meaning thelinchpin of Israel's border wall was only defended by automated and remote systems, which turn off when the towers go down. They were armored against rockets and RPG fire from all sides, but had no armor on the top. So if a few small ~~snubfighters~~ quadcopters manage to drop grenades right down their ~~exhaust ports~~ communication tower open tops, the entire front line defenses turn off, and the warning system for the human soldiers on the second line also gets knocked out.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2023 06:00

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 12:03

golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

Kesper North posted:

Israel has ordered 1.1 million people to evacuate northern Gaza within 24 hours, a totally realistic and not at all insane proposal

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-c8b4fc20e4fd2ef381d5edb7e9e8308c

https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1712689503410778179

After announcing that crazy 24 hour deadline to the UN, they've backtracked in just a few hours. I'm pretty sure there isn't an actual plan for the Israeli response besides try not to get lynched by grieving Jewish family members for telling everyone that your billion dollar invincible border wall cannot be pierced by Hamas.

Gotta remember that unlike 9/11, where W. Bush's approval rating shot up from 50% to 90% in a single day, Benjamin Netanyahu's approval rating among Israeli voters has gone down compared to just a week ago.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880

# ¿ Oct 13, 2023 06:19

golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/1714654108538310727

Remember Israeli bombed the Gaza Egypt border four times already and demanded Egypt let nothing in.

Here's a machine translation of Bibi's stuff

quote:

Office of the Prime Minister

In light of the resounding and essential American support to the war cause and US President Biden's request for basic humanitarian aid, the limited cabinet decided unanimously:

1. Israel will not allow humanitarian aid from its territory to Gaza while hostages are not returned

2. Israel demands that red cross be allowed to visit the hostages and is looking for international support to do so

3. In light of Biden's request, Israel will not interfere/stop humanitarian aid from Egypt as long as it is solely food, water, and medicine for the civilian population in southern Gaza or those evacuating there, and as long as the aid reaching Hamas will be thwarted

# ¿ Oct 19, 2023 08:43

golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-warned-of-hamas-activity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/

I knew it was impossible for something so big being planned in such a small urban area to avoid notice.

quote:

In a segment aired on Kan News on Wednesday evening, two soldiers, Yael Rotenberg and Maya Desiatnik, recounted their experiences in the months before the attack and up until 6:30 a.m. on Saturday, October 7.
Rotenberg recalled frequently seeing many Palestinians dressed in civilian clothing approach the border fence with maps, examining the ground around it and digging holes. One time, when she passed the information on, she was told that they were farmers, and there was nothing to worry about.
...

The Hamas terrorists would train at the border fence nonstop, Desiatnik told Kan. At first, it was once a week, then once a day, and then nearly constantly. In addition to passing on information about the frequency of the training going on at the fence, the surveillance soldier said she collected evidence of the content of the training, which included how to drive a tank and how to cross into Israel via a tunnel. As the activity on the border increased, she realized that �it was just a matter of time� until something happened.

quote:

Former tatzpitaniyot (IDF Combat Intelligence Corps) Amit Yerushalmi: �We sat on shifts and saw the convoy of vans. We saw the training, people shooting and rolling, practicing taking over a tank. The training went from once a week to twice a week, from every day to several times a day,� she told Channel 12. �We saw patrols along the border, people with cameras and binoculars. It happened 300 meters from the fence. There were a lot of disturbances, people went down to the fence and detonated an outrageous amount of explosives, the amount of explosives was crazy.�

Like Rotenberg and Desiatnik, Yerushalmi said that she passed the information along, but that nobody seemed to take it seriously. �I saw what was happening, I wrote everything down on the computer and passed it on. I don�t know what happened with it, we don�t actually know what they do with the information.�

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In the weeks before October 7, Rotenberg noticed that the efforts of the Hamas soldiers were concentrated at two specific points of the area she was responsible for tracking. However, she continued to hear from her commanders that it wasn�t important and that there was nothing that could be done about it.

On October 7, the areas highlighted by Rotenberg were just two of the multiple points along the fence through which 2,500 Hamas terrorists stormed into Israel.

# ¿ Oct 27, 2023 18:52

golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote

Strong argument that Aljazeera (I bet intentionally because how does Aljazeera English screw up an Arabic to English translation like this) mistranslated a statement and every english news outlet blindly copied the tweet like lemmings.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2023 09:52

golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

Wasabi the J posted:

I find it hard to believe that Israel the country with multiple cyber warfare, intelligence and espionage agencies didn't know what they were doing

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/29/world/middleeast/israel-intelligence-hamas-attack.html

quote:

Their judgment that night might have been different had they been listening to traffic on the (cheap, shoddy chinese made) hand-held radios of Hamas militants. But Unit 8200, Israel�s signals intelligence agency, had stopped eavesdropping on those networks a year earlier because they saw it as a waste of effort.

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After the fighting had stopped, Israeli soldiers found hand-held radios on the dead bodies of some of the Hamas militants � the same radios that Israeli intelligence officials had decided a year ago were no longer worth monitoring.

Don't underestimate their hubris.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2023 18:59

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 12:03

golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

You see it most clearly in the Israeli air force. During the six-days war, Israel's air force fought almost entirely using Dassault warplanes. French aircraft. They don't even get the A-4 Skyhawk and F-4 Phantom until after the war. Even then, the Yom Kippur war was mostly fought in the air with Skyhawks, since the funds from the US weren't big enough back then for them to give every pilot cutting edge planes.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2024 08:22

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