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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BUUNNI posted:

Do you have any evidence that the Zionist government provides any useful “mid east intel” or sells us information about our peer competitors? What does that even mean, are you suggesting Israel is spying on China for us and it thus behooves us to arm them and ignore their crimes against humanity?

Whether or not it's the reality, I think that's part of the marketing pitch.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
In general I feel like members of the military should be pretty familiar with the idea of something that doesn't actually do what it says on the label, but institutionally everyone pretends it does because of fiscal incentives or just because that's what it's supposed to do.

I think there's a reason the phrase 'all in on a busted flush' came to mind a while back when it comes to US support for Israel.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Not to mention their neighbouring Arab states being regularly couped and having Western client leaders propped up as active prevention of them potentially posing a threat to Israel or even complaining when they get semi regularly bombed by it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

OctaMurk posted:

The mossad aint what it used to be (see: giant surprise attack coming from the most surveilled place on the planet)

It's become increasingly clear that most intelligence agencies are not and probably never were remotely competent, especially ones that never really had to be because they get unlimited retries at most everything they do and no consequences for failure.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The piracy being 'completely indiscriminate no matter what they claim' is pretty laughably easily disproven by China and Russia not lifting a finger about it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
With the way that modern shipping works, the flag that a ship flies and the nationality of its crew is almost completely meaningless, since both are whatever's cheapest for the owners.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

A Meatslab posted:

  • Would Israel suddenly find itself a pariah state, or would it potentially still have support from elsewhere, like the UK? Would another state actor like China be likely to fill in the void that the U.S. leaves behind?

One thing I can probably answer there; lol, no. Israel used to have bipartisan support in the Cold War but those days are long over, and China's got literally no incentive to cosy up to Israel especially in the event of them losing Western support, especially given Israel is already a pariah in the global south.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's getting more traction because it's making celebrities realise they will not be spared.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

PittTheElder posted:

That is genocide my man. It is also extremely literally the attitude Nazi Germany held towards Jews. Lots of crackpot schemes to export them to Madagascar or something, and then when that didn't pan out, death camps.

And then there's the arguments that Israel itself is basically the Madagascar Plan whitewashed, allowing antisemites to have their cake and eat it too- treating Jews as not really citizens but just temporarily displaced Israelis. Hence the constant emphasis on Israel being 'the only safe country for Jews' in the entire world, especially from non-Jews.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Also Israel actively targeted and killed all the people who were doing the counting.

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