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TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

bulletsponge13 posted:

We just have to war crime harder than the other guy in the second half.

IDF

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TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Arione posted:

I mean, it worked out pretty well for us in WW2, all the times after that we didnt do the WC thing and we lost.

yeah! no war crimes in Korea either! or the Phillipines! Nothing during manifest destiny neither!

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

bulletsponge13 posted:

The beheading thing sounds much like the fictional war crimes propagandized in every war. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but that it fails the smell test. I have no doubt that militants killed civilians there- possibly in horrific ways that will caste new nightmares into the historical record- beheading babies takes a level of inhumanity few seem to have. The fact that the IDF is denying it, and the only source seems to be the same fake looking newscast, I don't think it happened that way.


Mosst people have no idea what happens to a human body confronted with ballistic science. 5.56 can remove limbs on an adult; shrapnel will fillet you like a trout. This very well could have been like the crimes of Haditha, where the assaulting force just fragged every room, and then swept through.

Bullets do horrible things to tiny bodies.

maybe yes maybe no. we’ll see how it shakes out in the wash. Only think I know for sure is that’s how Tiger Force popped on CID’s radar in Vietnam: the point man was bragging about cutting a babies head off. And that was just Vietnam. Levels of hatred and indoc here are way higher.

I’m not saying it’s not failing the smell test over here either. The more extreme and outrageous the poo poo you can pin on the other side, real or not, the easier it is to justify even more hosed up measures against them and the population. All I’m saying is that reprehensible line is easier for a killer to cross than one might think.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

What truly sits wrong with me is people who are selective about which murdered children they get bloodthirsty over. Make no mistake, child murderers are terrorists who have all but forsaken their membership to the human species, but

There were children killed by the myanmar junta in Burma this week. A strike on a refugee camp. Airplanes and bombs. Did you notice them?

If you are going to have moral principles, you do not get to be selective.

The fledgingly New York Times did not see fit to impart this knowledge on me, as per their tag line: All the news that’s fit to print. In other words, life is cheap worldwide, only the deaths that make the news are noteworthy.

E: to be crystal clear, doesn’t mean I think less of all the victims of the ongoing genocides/war crimes happening. Your average person doesn’t even loving know about it. I have to go looking to find out what’s up in Myanmar or in the various African war zones.

TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Oct 12, 2023

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Fivemarks posted:

I Think that we should absolutely calm down and wait till we have confirmation of any war crimes and atrocities before we jump to the most extreme possible positions on stuff. Especially because there's a lot of disinformation out there, especially disinformation with the purpose of justifying turning the Gaza Strip into a mass grave.


If that makes me anti-semitic or acting in bad faith? Oh well.

Ain’t nobody gonna wait b. Like yeah sure, true, but it’s the 21st century. 24 hour news cycle. Atrocities live on instagram and X (FORMERLY KNOWN AS TWITTER). Even knowing that the psyops folks are actively doing their thing on social media, shits still gonna get commented and speculated on, even if a few days later someone rolls in with the “WHOOPS WE’VE BEEN DUPED, anyway the Israelis just got B-52s on lend lease lol” type poo poo.

It is what it is. Even if we try, and we should try, we’re gonna slip up because the poo poo is wild and crazy and coming to us at light speed.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Don't Ask posted:

Hey, gently caress you.

Civilians were intentionally murdered and abducted, elderly and children alike. They were targeted at home, outside, in their cars, at a music festival, in the fields, and everywhere they could be. Those that were able to lock themselves in a safe room were burned out. Dozens if not hundreds were abducted, including elderly grandmothers and infants.

Please don't post more hezbollah funded propaganda to try and refute this.

Also gently caress you again.

Oh hey I actually had to double check on homie’s post history. Kinda hard to keep track of the no avatar dudes when you’re tryna not get super bogged down in what’s probably gonna be the play by play documentary of an ethnic cleansing, in post form.

Didn’t realize homie was on the cspam psyops tip. Bet. gently caress you fivemarks.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Oct 12, 2023

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

No one is arguing over what hamas did, or what they are (e; I thought, anyway. Really hope I'm not wrong). We are arguing over the israeli response. And just what + how much response can be justified, because we're all scared about more innocents getting killed since there's so many fucks around who don't give any

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Probably a kind of futile hope, but I hope for absolutely everyone's sake Israel goes less off the deep end than the US did in the aftermath of 9/11

Honestly, I feel like that if they can swing it, they’re going to kill them all and wash their hands of it saying “we tried to give you all peace soooo many times.” They’ll do it just to be done with it and to remind the Arabs what happens when you try them. That’s definitely the vibe I’m getting from some of my Israeli friends, the loudest one anyway. That’s how little faith I have in Bibi and co to restrain themselves. They got a hell of a pretext and sympathy, why not go full tilt? Who’s going to loving stop them?

Most we’ll probably tell them is “make sure you jam outgoing signals, I don’t wanna see it on the gram bro.”

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

ASAPI posted:

Even then, carpet bombing doesn't seem like an effective method. It feels like the equivalent of a toddler throwing poo poo around.

I thought Israel was more sophisticated than what we are seeing. Their military and intelligence networks have mostly been held as higher level "first world" when media and state actors talk about them. What we are seeing right now is what I would imagine the House GOP would cook up, not a country that was supposedly operating at a higher level.

The whole situation and how Israel is prosecuting their campaign feels like there is no plan. If there ever was a plan, it wasn't a very good one.

I mean it might be effective at virtue signaling to their own people "we're going to break them for this poo poo." Throw in a liberal disregard for those the bombs will fall on and it's doing what it needs to do. And that's before we get into the possibility that there is no need for them to be sophisticated if "all the kills count the same" i.e. this isn't about rooting out Hamas alone but ethnic cleansing. And the vibes/signs are pointing to the latter even at this early stage. Idk, I hope they can be pulled back from that particular brink but its FUBAR and SNAFU all the loving way.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo
for real though, that kinda talk is signalling, IMO, to the israelis that if the right admin is in place in 2024, they ain't got poo poo to worry about. Actually us being divided at home politically and the shitshow on the home front kinda already gives them the pass to get away with as much as they can, whether the world is looking or not. so idk, but holy poo poo what loving ghouls walk among us

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

oh dear. Nevertheless they’ll figure out something else to throw out there, true or not. Damage is already done.

ETA till ‘65 Indonesia tier psyops and black propaganda? Because I feel like that’ll come too.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo
can we talk about that hair for a loving second tho



yeah you sorry alright. not that drat sorry. gotta be first w the byline and i mean someone was gonna do it right?

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TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Xakura posted:

Ok, I went back, his quote is even worse: "I didn't even know recoilless rifles were a thing anymore. That is some world war 2/korean war kinda kit."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvYwfl7dgTY&t=1051s

i remember reading the books that Nicholas Irving put out. Ranger, 3rd bat, sniper. This stupid gently caress really thought he was gonna do some damage against a AFV (that turned out to be friendly) with his m203. You ain't gotta be smart to kill good apparently.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Lemniscate Blue posted:

It's not very applicable to this particular video but please be aware that MEMRI has a history of being very biased in their translation decisions to the point of being deliberately misleading at times: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-media-research-institute-memri/

I thought they were just the meme guys!

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

The odds of it being a failed Hamas rocket that "just happened" to directly hit the courtyard of a Hospital inside Gaza, and not a bomb dropped by Israel, who had already announced their intention to bomb that area, and have been doing so for days, is so stupid you guys. Seriously.
Like Israel is just shrugging and going "I dunno, they probably bombed themselves" and you are taking their word for it.

e] Oh also IDF aren't even saying it was Hamas, they're saying it was Islamic Jihad, of course.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo
can’t believe y’all falling for this jihadist misinformation. that wasn’t a hospital, that was a *looks over shoulder at the dude w the cue cards* that was a Hamas fire base, I mean Islamic Jihad fire base. Besides, so loving what if them ayyrabs get killed. We need the jews to have Israel so Jesus will come back and rapture us. Whose side are you on? Listen I know it’s a tragedy but maybe they should have picked up paper clips and stabbed their Hamas overlords to death. Really if you think about it, there are no civilians down there anyway. They don’t believe in Jesus, they are complicit or directly supportive of terrorism, and *whispers* they’re savages. All of them are. We have to support our ally, Israel. *claps hands and stomp feet* we *claps* must *claps* support *claps* Israel, our greatest ally ever…except for that one time.

Please stop letting the liberal media tell you how to think and feel. Thank you. Pray for peace in the Middle East. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers y’all.

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TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Cugel the Clever posted:

Saw the "centrist" editor of the Times of Israel referring to Gaza as "Hamastan" today in an oped. Really cool dehumanization of the 2 million civilians Israel has confined to the Strip.

Not quite Indonesia 65 but this is how that poo poo starts.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Proud Christian Mom posted:

And because of this Israel can do a little ethnic cleansing, as a treat?

e: not even my problem. peace be with you.

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TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Oct 21, 2023

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Lum_ posted:

I would normally let this pass but given an IK just put a "don't post racist poo poo" note on my profile, this makes me unhappy for some reason! So, sources:

Hamas Covenant: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm

(ok, so it doesn't quote from it, it merely cites it as proof. so much better.)

Abbas' PhD thesis: The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism

From a recent speech this year: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/07/palestinian-president-condemned-mahmoud-abbas-holocaust-remarks

Note: I am *not* asserting that all Arabs are anti-semitic, or that this justifies what's currently happening in Gaza, or indeed that there isn't a deep undercurrent of Islamophobia and anti-Arab racism in Israeli discourse (there absolutely is). I merely responded to another poster who expressed disbelief that the Palestinian leadership indulged in conspiracy theories. As shown above, this is not "saying racist poo poo", it's recounting documented fact.

Yes, I am mad online, please put in the papers that I am mad.

Vent’s loving up tbqh. Understandably so since he needs to keep this thread straightened out in general but homie just don’t give a gently caress. “Haha it’s just a sixer, deal with it even if i disparage you on your rap sheet.”

Yeah nah gently caress off with that FrozenVent. Do the right thing dude or at least get the rap sheet entries right.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo
https://x.com/centcom/status/1721271207260033230?s=46

E: apparently just the SSGN version so lol

TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Nov 5, 2023

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

A.o.D. posted:

I would hope that it wasn't the Ballistic version.

idk i feel pretty disappointed. not enough big dick energy

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

FrozenVent posted:

But then you don’t get the cum QRF.

can't believe this is a thing

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

psydude posted:

TBH, I think so many people have PCM on ignore that nobody actually saw the post to report it.

confirmed

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Turns out the body count at the rave was, at least in part, the result of an IDF gunship lighting up party goers. The more that comes out about the IDF response on that day the more it seems they really did just not give a gently caress about separating their own people from the hostiles. Blue on blue between disparate infantry units stumbling over each other while there was no clear C&C I can understand, but stuff like this or the tanks apparently firing on houses with hostages in as prelim to clearing them, it's nuts.

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1725958732113162579?t=DEj5cTnSYE6FBaE_VTMYfQ&s=19

Just posting in general here. I never thought I’d wake up to see a day where a terrorist attack happens, and, as everything plays out, I’m like “I don’t know who’s worse.” Between the propaganda and psyops being played out, learning about the Hannibal directive, and seeing this come out. loving hell.

And the poo poo w the hospital too. Like at least Colin Powell lied better than this poo poo. I knew from the moment 10/7 happened the ultranationalist crew was going to use it as pretext to wild out. Just didn’t think they’d be going full warhammer 40k on everyone involved, including their own people.

Some real “innocence is no excuse” vibes playing out irl. gently caress.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Voyager I posted:

drat I didn't realize the Russian influence ran that deep.

if they die, it means they’re no good for Israel

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

They even have apothecaries collecting geneseed.

Yeah I know they want everyone to have like 8 Jewish babies per family or some poo poo but holy poo poo.



The part that kills me are the Jews I know OL and IRL are blind. There is no middle ground. I’ll get quoted how the IDF has procedures to avoid collateral damage and also hear from a rabbi “I don’t believe Israel is bombing indiscriminately.”

Like bro I don’t want your people to get wiped out but your soldiers and pilots are smoking folks left and right. They’re victim blaming with JDAMs or whatever their equivalent is. I can’t look away no more.

I can’t even say “both sides are bad” and not be complicit in some way, even if it’s just ignorance. All I know is “does it matter how we got here if children are dying in droves?”

Soldiers deserve to fight soldiers, even if they are irregulars and terrorists. This ain’t it. It wasn’t from day one and it’s not today.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo
It’s never gonna happen but a third party needs to handle Gaza. No fly zone over Gaza. Run COIN on the ground to separate Hamas from the population. Splash any IAF that shows up or smoke any IDF that enters the zone and wants to test. Otherwise I feel like the poo poo won’t stop.

Fun thought experiment, never gonna happen tho.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Kazinsal posted:

I give it less than 48 hours before one side or the other (or maybe both at the same time) break the ceasefire.

At least the death stops for that long.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

pmchem posted:

yeah, let's pull on this thread, here's an idea:

The USA enacts a plan to accelerate the peace process by converting Jerusalem into a Vatican-like independent city-state to be administered by a tribunal of Jewish, Muslim, Roman Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox religious leaders, and secured by an independent contingent of the Swiss Guards. As a nod to Israel, the U.S. Army supplies the IDF with more sophisticated equipment and agrees to construct a training base in the Negev Desert run by the U.S. Army's tank warfare specialists and the revived 10th Cavalry Regiment. The plan will work if we have regular meetings with officials in both Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Tom clancy’d.

E: the 10th ACR reference (even though you left the A out) was my focal point for this statement.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

pmchem posted:

brave dudes taking an unarmed, empty, civilian ship

Yeah but they had a helicopter so that’s cool right?

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

bulletsponge13 posted:

It's exactly why you need Infantry with armor in urban areas.

It's a gently caress up, but a predictable gently caress up. From inside, you can't see poo poo, really.

They deserve to die for being this incompetent. I have no sympathy for such a basic failure in tactics. This poo poo’s as basic as “look left and right before crossing the street.” “Make sure you got some soldats walking your steel coffin into the city or you won’t get to have fun times blowing poo poo up with that big rear end cannon of yours.”

Idiots. loving idiots.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo
Posting to check my forum ‘tar

E: still sipping the dumb bitch juice awww yeahhhh!

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Godholio posted:

If he tossed it, it's either a dumb bomb or artillery.

Arm propelled grenade

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:

the munition knows what it is by knowing what it isn't

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Al-Saqr posted:

Hamas has listened to all of your concerns regarding the validity of their claims as to whether they actually got the tank or simply activated the anti-armor shielding or whatever and decided to start posing with their kills as proof



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TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

PookBear posted:

are you bragging about being friends with a war criminal?

he said acquaintance, so i assume its just some wild poo poo that came out over drinks and dude could have been like



when he heard.

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